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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20641 From: dave santos Date: 9/12/2016
Subject: Re: Ivy League Aeroelastic Metamaterial Research

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20642 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/12/2016
Subject: Re: Shade

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20644 From: dave santos Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Re: Shade

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20645 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Isaac Ferris of state of Ohio

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20646 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Ampyx and Vectorcast

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20647 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Isaac Ferris of state of Ohio

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20648 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Ampyx and Vectorcast

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20649 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Isaac Ferris of state of Ohio

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20650 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Shade

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20651 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20652 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Ampyx and Vectorcast

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20653 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Shade

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20654 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20655 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Ampyx and Vectorcast

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20656 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: CN104061125 (A) - Balloon, airship and lifting kite aerial power g

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20657 From: dave santos Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Re: CN104061125 (A) - Balloon, airship and lifting kite aerial pow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20658 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Re: Shade

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20659 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20660 From: dave santos Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20661 From: dave santos Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Cloud-like Aircraft Concept

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20662 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/16/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20663 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/16/2016
Subject: Re: Cloud-like Aircraft Concept

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20664 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/16/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20665 From: dave santos Date: 9/16/2016
Subject: Re: Cloud-like Aircraft Concept

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20666 From: dave santos Date: 9/16/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20667 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/17/2016
Subject: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20668 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/17/2016
Subject: The Sharp HAWT-Kite Concept by Peter A. Sharp

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20669 From: dave santos Date: 9/17/2016
Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20670 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/17/2016
Subject: The Sharp HAWT-Kite Concept by Peter A. Sharp

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20671 From: dave santos Date: 9/17/2016
Subject: DS water ballast mass at altitude as energy accumulator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20672 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/18/2016
Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20673 From: dave santos Date: 9/18/2016
Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20674 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/18/2016
Subject: Re: DS water ballast mass at altitude as energy accumulator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20675 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/18/2016
Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20676 From: dave santos Date: 9/18/2016
Subject: Re: DS water ballast mass at altitude as energy accumulator [2 Attac

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20677 From: dave santos Date: 9/18/2016
Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20678 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/18/2016
Subject: Using K Line Tension To Press Things Together

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20679 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/19/2016
Subject: Re: Using K Line Tension To Press Things Together

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20680 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/19/2016
Subject: Re: Patrick D. Kelly on reciprocating system

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20681 From: dave santos Date: 9/19/2016
Subject: Diagonal Axis Wind Turbine (DAWT) identified

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20682 From: dave santos Date: 9/19/2016
Subject: Re: Patrick D. Kelly on reciprocating system

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20683 From: dave santos Date: 9/19/2016
Subject: Re: Patrick D. Kelly on reciprocating system

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20684 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/19/2016
Subject: Re: Using K Line Tension To Press Things Together

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20685 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/20/2016
Subject: Kite upgoing tethers as "side of mountain"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20686 From: dave santos Date: 9/20/2016
Subject: Re: Kite upgoing tethers as "side of mountain"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20687 From: dave santos Date: 9/20/2016
Subject: Pushing back the Literary Origins of Upper WindPower as a concept...

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20688 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/20/2016
Subject: Re: Pushing back the Literary Origins of Upper WindPower as a concep

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20689 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/20/2016
Subject: Some kiting, but not fully airborne!

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20690 From: dave santos Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Preliminary kPower Review of new Peter Lynn SS Uniq kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20691 From: dave santos Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Preliminary kPower Review of new Peter Lynn SS Uniq kites




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20641 From: dave santos Date: 9/12/2016
Subject: Re: Ivy League Aeroelastic Metamaterial Research
Thanks Joe.  Providing a reference not just with its link, but also with its title and authors is better-searchable.

Noting that "moving media" is the latest scientific catch-all term for what was variously and often imprecisely called fluid-dynamics, hydrodynamics, and aerodynamics. Also, a reminder that "acoustic" in metamaterial science applies to large-scale oscillations of media at infrasonic  frequencies, and also ultrasonic frequencies we don't hear, but all are on the same linear spectrum of all periodic mechanical motion.

Here's a (non-Ivy-League) paper in the same vein. One can see the emergence of "lift" from a new perspective. Italians are all over this subject. After all, Pythagoras, the father of harmonic science, lived on the Italian peninsula (Croton), even if he was Greek.

Theoretical and Numerical Modeling of Acoustic Metamaterials for Aeroacoustic Applications

Department of Engineering, Roma Tre University, via Vito Volterra 62, Rome 00146, Italy







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Harnessing fluid-structure interactions to design self-regulating acoustic metamaterials 
Filippo Casadei and Katia Bertoldi

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20642 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/12/2016
Subject: Re: Shade
When a area would benefit from filtering the solar radiation, then the shading film or net could be designed to let through only selected wavelengths.   

    Human, plants, and animals may need specialized filtering of solar radiation. When appropriate and competitive: kite-system-served filtered solar radiation.  

    So, shading may include full blocking or specified filtering. 

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20644 From: dave santos Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Re: Shade
So we begin to distinguish shade variants, and also sunlight absorption by solar-gain kites, and sunlight redirection by high reflectance kites.

In evaluating kite shade in brutal Texas conditions, there is weak and dense shade created by the properties of variously colored translucent kite cloth, and whether the kite is double-skin or single. Shade also varies with the incidence of the sunlight, and the smaller oblique shadow of a kite is denser than its largest projected shadow, so we have an interesting semi-constant value of total shade with translucent media. There are then many engineered options, as JoeF suggests, like colored light, UV filtered light, hybrid solar-surface/shade, mirrored sunlight redirection, and so on.

Lets not forget that the shade kite need not be a wandering wing, but can be a staked-out playsail or ram-air Bolonkin dome. KiteLab Group and kPower have done many simple experiments with kite shade and preferred kite embodiments.

Shade by means of kites is another specialty of the Open-AWE_IP-Cloud






Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20645 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Isaac Ferris of state of Ohio
"It may be necessary to connect the two walls by one or more additional connections, to prevent the kite from assuming too round of a shape."
  Was Ferris the first on this insight?  Circa 1871 for Ferris. 

 Goodyear is found developing such interior connections by drop stitch to an advanced level to form sophisticated airfoils.  Contemporary connectors on Jalbert parafoil evolutes hold the two main sheets into desired forms. Drop stitch shows in other forum messages.  And we also have http://www.energykitesystems.net/Materials/Fabrics/DropStitch/index.html  in partial support of the drop stitch realm. 
 


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20646 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Ampyx and Vectorcast
This is another instance where an AWE stealth venture, in this case, Ampyx, is revealed more by third-party information leakage than by what it directly discloses. Vectorcast automates embedded control testing so that logic bugs are caught early in the software developmental cycle, and so changes in the code over the software lifecycle do not cause new logic failures. What this Vectorcast announcement reveals by inference is that Ampyx does not even have bench-validated flight software yet, much less reliable betaware for the thousands of hours of validating flight testing that new UAS types undergo (common US Military UAS early validation standard is ~1 major mishap per 100,000 flt hr).

 Ampyx apparently hopes to achieve the high reliability required of its energy-glider aircraft far sooner than the decades normal aerospace R&D historically requires to mature demanding new applications for large market acceptance.  They must hang-on for many more years in start-up mode before earning any revenue from actual energy production. Meanwhile, low-complexity AWES contenders that do not depend as much on complex software and high-velocity high-mass flight units may be able to establish market leadership. This is the dramatic business contest in AWE R&D. There will be many losing ventures and few winners of the gigantic prize to tap upper wind economically.


 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20647 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Isaac Ferris of state of Ohio
The Japanese Edo Kite is a clear prior design expression of added bridling to achieve a flatter kite. Fighter kites also often (but not always) have lateral bridling that keeps keep the wing flatter.

We see that inventors can hit on the same solutions to problems without need for copying each other. Thus  many technologies, like ancient pyramids, do not require direct diffusion, but can naturally emerge from the inherent properties of the materials and forces. There are only a few fundamental design principles to kites, despite the apparent diversity of specific designs.

One kite idea that seems modern is to use multi tethers from an extended anchor field, rather than from a single point, to create a large flat wing geometry. Drop-stitch topology presupposes a lower and upper continuous layer. Pierrse's original Ortho Kite Bunch concept perhaps only needed upper cross-connection to be practical.


On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:10 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
"It may be necessary to connect the two walls by one or more additional connections, to prevent the kite from assuming too round of a shape."
  Was Ferris the first on this insight?  Circa 1871 for Ferris. 

 Goodyear is found developing such interior connections by drop stitch to an advanced level to form sophisticated airfoils.  Contemporary connectors on Jalbert parafoil evolutes hold the two main sheets into desired forms. Drop stitch shows in other forum messages.  And we also have http://www.energykitesystems.net/Materials/Fabrics/DropStitch/index.html  in partial support of the drop stitch realm. 
 


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20648 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Ampyx and Vectorcast
DO-178C - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 


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VectorCAST

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20649 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Isaac Ferris of state of Ohio
A bit more comment about Ferris's idea of LTA  gas launch assist. Nowadays hydrogen or methane gas are considered greenhouse gases and dangerous explosives, and helium is too precious to vent routinely, so that pretty much leaves hot air as a possible lifting aid. Its concievable that double-skin soft-kites could be preinflated with hot air to help them get up to usable wind.

Ferris's problem definition is sound; that kites could often use some sort help to get out of surface calm. We have two general solution classes, to either tow up the rig into wind, or haul it up using a pilot-lifter that itself might have been towed or use LTA. We call the capability "early launch", to get going after calm, and staged launching is also called cascaded launch, especially if there are more than two stages of launch from small to larger stages.




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20650 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Shade
Just thinking.
Shade by means of kites may well lay foundations for kite-tents for Out-door events shielding rain and sun as desired while allowing for cool breeze.
 
John Adeoye  Oyebanji   B.Sc. MCPN
Managing Consultant & CEO
Hardensoft International Limited
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20651 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service
The construction industry especially in building modern skyscrapers come to mind as possible prospects.
Since Kite rigging and Wind-Tower construction also falls within the same specialty of civil engineering as the construction sector, do we have any allies/investors from that sector willing to provide early field test opportunities?
 
John Adeoye  Oyebanji   B.Sc. MCPN
Managing Consultant & CEO
Hardensoft International Limited
; ; ; Company
NIGERIA / AFRICA.

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20652 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Ampyx and Vectorcast
Highlighting an Ampyx self note: 
"Ampyx Power is working towards a 2MW PowerPlane with a wingspan of 30m (size of 1 blade of a wind turbine) for market introduction in 2020."

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ED-12C 

C.M. Holloway
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA

"The document itself does not provide any additional details about what constitutes the airworthiness requirements. Users of the document are expected to know the specific requirements that apply to the system they are developing. These requirements must be included as a critical part of the context of any assurance case."

And: 
See: 3.2 Relationship between safety and correctness
in the Holloway document. 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20653 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Shade
Yes JohnO, and perhaps emergency camps as well.

The challenge is to have two fully working states; one for wind, and one for calm. In wind, the structure is stiffened, and more wind will even stiffen it further. In calm, the shelter needs just enough residual stiffness to stand, but stand it must, for uninterrupted use. A tent is quite different, relying on a persistent stiff structure rated to handle max winds. The kite based structure could be larger, cheaper, lighter, and faster-to-erect or take-down, but the possibilities have hardly been explored.

What has been shown is that ordinary dome tents will ram-air inflate in wind and stand without their poles,  and that such tents can even be flown as kites. This is one of the varied flying tents documented online-

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20654 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service
We are able to lift materials by kite even better than the Japanese account of raising building materials centuries ago. KiteShip and others have lifted large loads by kites as demonstrations The problem with the construction industry is its properly conservative culture, which will choose the tried-and-true crane or helicopter over the novel kite. The same conservatism prevents ship-kites from gaining their target market.

The best chance seems to be to find new kite lift applications no existing lifting capability can do safer or cheaper, while testing with dummy loads to perfect methods.



 
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20655 From: dave santos Date: 9/14/2016
Subject: Re: Ampyx and Vectorcast
In context, this is one more pushing back of Ampyx market-entry claims, and does not represent a credible timeline compared to aerospace historic norms for novel large aircraft development.




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20656 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: CN104061125 (A) - Balloon, airship and lifting kite aerial power g

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Balloon, airship and lifting kite aerial power generating device  


Page bookmarkCN104061125 (A)  -  Balloon, airship and lifting kite aerial power generating device
Inventor(s):SONG SHAORU +
Applicant(s):SONG SHAORU +
Classification:
- international:F03D1/00F03D11/00F03D3/00F03D9/00
- cooperative:
Application number:CN2013186329 20130319 
Priority number(s):CN2013186329 20130319


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20657 From: dave santos Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Re: CN104061125 (A) - Balloon, airship and lifting kite aerial pow
While Song's patent echoes  the AWES unit concept dating back at least to Oberth, and also echoes well known kytoon thinking, the exciting part is his intuition that units can be cross-linked aloft into large arrays, just as KiteLab and kPower have envisioned. We are all seemingly inspired by traditional Chinese kite trains that in modern times have been evolving as crosslinked parallel trains. Call this AWES direction "Asian Topology" to contrast with the "European Topology" that presupposes kite units as isolated in the sky.

The funny thing about the EU theorists who see their topology and its reeling basis as increasingly dominant are not counting the existence of AWES topologies outside of their circle.


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A clip from the set of images: 

Balloon, airship and lifting kite aerial power generating device  


Page bookmarkCN104061125 (A)  -  Balloon, airship and lifting kite aerial power generating device
Inventor(s):SONG SHAORU +
Applicant(s):SONG SHAORU +
Classification:
- international:F03D1/00F03D11/00F03D3/00F03D9/00
- cooperative:
Application number:CN2013186329 20130319 
Priority number(s):CN2013186329 20130319



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20658 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Re: Shade
Abbreviations used:  Kite system (KS or just  K )
Power takeoff (PTO)
Model used:  K at first glance:: Tensed-coupled wings in a media under influence of flow and/or force fields allowing the tension to occur.  Involved wings are thus anchors relative some of the wings in the K.  "Wing" may range over a huge shape spectrum in order to alter the dynamics of the K.     Hence, a KS involves any part or device that is integrated in the system; e.g., if a dime is glued to an involved tether, then that dime is part of the KS; the dime will affect flows, tensions, call for lift, production of drag, modification of oscillations, etc.

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The first-level investigation concerns Earth-atmosphere-placed shading films/sheets/nets.

In this topic thread on "shade" kite-system-held large area ultra-thin rip-stop films were intimated as one sector of shading-by-kite. It will be interesting to know well the dynamics of ultra-large-area flags.  Turbulence, thermals, wind-direction change, rain, snow, hail, ...?  Tearing? Wear? Degradation by sun?  Launching?  Landing? Safety?  Lessons from this exploration may well affect solar-gain, reflection, aerotecture, catching, combination hybrids, electricity producing  from large-area film/sheet/tarp arts.   Will arch KSs be effective shade-film platforms?

How much horizontally aimed flag area practically can be operated by a given main kited-wing set?  Differently: how much drape area of film may be practically operated by a given main kited-wing set?  Drag profile during flight sessions?  Oscillations and waves in the flags? Opportunities for PTO?  Limits of materials?  Cost of failures?

There are many options to explore. 
Invited from any poster are descriptions of options.  Notes from the wide public are invited, as well from seasoned creative mechanical explorers. 

Here is a start: 
1. Have the simple unenhanced flag supported by kite system (KS) using no rigid spar, but only line spanning traverse to wind and horizontally between two main veering tethers.

2. Have "1." enhanced by wing forms that generally pull the left of the flag to left and the right of the flag to the right. Such wing forms might be edge-based or distributed throughout the flag. 

3. Various patterns of air-inflated portions of large-area sheets? Effects of this on the drag history during flight sessions?

4. Various patterns of holes and/or slits in the flags?   Effects of such on the drag history during flight sessions? 

5. ?

6. ?

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20659 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20660 From: dave santos Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service
In fine follow-up to Song's lateral array, here's Will Rock's amazing stacked kite lifting patent filed in '65, marking a technological midway between the Golden Age of Kites and our time, fifty years later.  A perennially advanced AWE scaling paradigm is evident in this periodic lattice of modular balloons and simple sails. The detail of placing albacore aerostat lift at the LE, and simple balloons at the TE is a brilliant combination of optimal L/D function and lower cost. Only a bit of LTA lift to get the sails started up is needed. Two side taglines are an essential means of passive stabilzation. The log tackle is consistent with standard yarding,  while this is a pure-lift  AWE technology that would work with an incredible variety of tackle and applications. 

Lets hope Rock yet rocks. A hybrid energy kite metamaterial based on these cases could be dubbed "Rock Song" :)  Rock's expired patent put a lot of key kite lifting art in the public domain*. Under our open-AWE fair IP ideal, the IP-Cloud would still seek to compensate him or anyone who makes a serious contribution to AWE, no matter the vagries of patent law. Song's original contribution may be along the lines of a kytoon arch for AWE, although barrage balloons were close antecedents.

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* We want to be able to cite enough clear prior art for core AWE tech to be completely open for personal and small business use.



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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20661 From: dave santos Date: 9/15/2016
Subject: Cloud-like Aircraft Concept
A new sort of aviation seems possible by building on our ever-increasing kite knowledge.

Kite-based topological metamaterial lattices have the potential to develop into vast cloudlike flying structures. They could use windshear for dynamic soaring (DS) and/or distributed propulsion units to maintain flight. The concept of soaring would be expand from single units to tethered wing-pairs, and now to kite-glider lattices as a whole. In theory, with good enough wing units and suitable wind gradients, the internal DS forces could sum to enable windward flight.

From a distance, such aircraft could look like diffuse clouds of patterned light, smoke, or bird flocks, with unit sails as small as birds or as large as soccer fields. Large-scale blob-like flying structure could also harvest wind energy, lift tremendous payloads, and interface with the ground many ways. Cloud-like blobs might fly out from a few mass production centers to sites anywhere in the world.

Open-AWE_IP-Cloud
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20662 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/16/2016
Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service
​And we join the cranes in general for potential lesson gifts​ for the topic:

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And we join the potential lift service from the outlined cloud-like AWES noted in

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New note:

circa 2009 
Andrew John Price

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And the literature findable via search over "aerial cranes" seems to me to be fertile for the AWES mega-lifting sector.

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20663 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/16/2016
Subject: Re: Cloud-like Aircraft Concept
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    Hi Dave Santos,

    Here is an analogous concept that you might find interesting. It is now possible to very crudely approximate your idea of kites using dynamic soaring to advance to windward. The Sharp Cyclo-Kite flies in vertical loops when facing the wind. That is somewhat similar to dynamic soaring, but while on tethers. When the blade/wing is at the bottom of the orbit, it faces the wind. So it does back loops. It is typically mounted between two tall poles by using thin shock cords and swivels. To enable the back-looping Cyclo-Kite to advance into the wind, mount the two poles on a wide catamaran, one pole on each hull, and face the catamaran into the wind. Then rigidly connect the two vertical poles to a long horizontal arm extending toward the stern, and connect that long horizontal arm to a whale-tail propeller. Use hinges to allow the poles and the long horizontal arm to oscillate, sort of like an “L” shaped bell crank.

    The result will be that when the Cyclo-Kite flies in loops, it will oscillate the poles fore and aft, and they will oscillate the whale-tail propeller up and down to propel the catamaran to windward. The path of the Cyclo-Kite will then trace a back-looping path that moves upwind. This is not dynamic soaring because the angles of attack are not the same in the two cases, and the shape of the (elliptical) orbit is not the same in the two cases. But the path of the blade/wing is nevertheless somewhat similar to dynamic soaring.

    This boat is just a windmill boat. Windmill boats are able to advance directly upwind, but their speed is typically limited to 0.5 times the speed of the wind if the windmill is designed to produce maximum power. The Cyclo-Kite is also a vertical axis (cross-flow) cycloturbine on its side so that its axis of rotation is horizontal and perpendicular to the wind.

    If the vertical orbit were large enough, it could take advantage of the wind gradient to accelerate the blade while at the top of its orbit, and that would be a form of dynamic soaring. However, the Cyclo-Kite blade typically moves at only two times the speed of the wind, so its making use of dynamic soaring would not provide much of an advantage.

    PeterS

     

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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20664 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/16/2016
    Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service
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      Hi Joe Faust,

      A very simple approximation of the combination of a kite and a crane already exists in the form of the Bird windmill. The single, vertical blade/kite flies on shock cords (and swivels) in a horizontal orbit. The unbalanced motion of the blade/kite is transmitted via long, horizontal cords to the top of a rocking tower shaped like an upside-down V. Another cord extends downward from the top of the rocking tower to a piston pump. The blade/kite oscillates the rocking tower, and the rocking tower oscillates the piston-type water pump vertically. The rocking tower is a very simple crane. It’s angle from vertical determines its mechanical advantage. If it is near vertical, it creates a high mechanical advantage. So a relatively small blade creating a relatively small oscillating force can lift a relatively heavy column of water (as in a deep well). The distance the blade travels as compared to the distance the water travels, per cycle, is roughly a hundred to one.
      PeterS

       

       

      From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:09 AM
      To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [AWES] Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service

       

       

      ​And we join the cranes in general for potential lesson gifts​ for the topic:

       

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      And we join the potential lift service from the outlined cloud-like AWES noted in

       

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      New note:

       

      Wide Area Aerial Crane

      circa 2009 

      Andrew John Price

       

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      And the literature findable via search over "aerial cranes" seems to me to be fertile for the AWES mega-lifting sector.

       

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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20665 From: dave santos Date: 9/16/2016
      Subject: Re: Cloud-like Aircraft Concept
      Hi Peter,

      Yes, this topic presupposes DS in its widest sense, including windward capability, but in a high-count multi-unit configuration pulsing with internal DS waves.

      Since the 1960s, DSing into the wind in Albatross observations and by theoretic and anecdotal performance soaring cases, has been presumed by top aviation experts. JoeF has collected quite a few historic references. In recent years, also on the AWES Forum, Gabor Dobos presented his DS AWE IFO concept based on tetherless high-performance energy gliders. We also have at least two DS cases of crosswind axis AWES like your wing, one vertical [LeBreque, UMaine]and one horizontal ('tumbling wing" [JoeF, kPower, AWES Forum]). We see that even an ordinary dancing kite moves a bit windward at the edges of its wind-window.

      So you are in the right community of those aware of windward DS. The new twist is to see the well-known DS glider-unit as part of a large array of cross-connected units that ultimately could seem cloud-like by so many sub-units. What is perhaps newly proposed is that internal DS forces in the cloud can develop coherently for controlled flight of the whole. We also have windmill boat backgrounds overlapping with AYRS, where such discussions happen. Peter Worsley and I in particular have long experimented and demonstrated direct into the wind sailing.

      The challenge is always to discover what comes next after the last amazing discovery. This is a good place to also mention that Hans Moravec, who I met and corresponded with decades ago, when he theorized in his book, Mind Children, about clouds of flying nanobots, as a top computer scientist; but his flying units did not DS, nor were the units or clouds large-scale macroscopic. I think Hans will enjoy seeing his old idea come to life as kite-based metamaterial, and the ultimate arc of metamaterial science remains for units to be intelligent agents that actively reconfigure to process energy and do other useful work.

      daveS







      On Friday, September 16, 2016 11:21 AM, "'Peter A. Sharp' sharpencil@sbcglobal.net [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
      Hi Dave Santos,
      Here is an analogous concept that you might find interesting. It is now possible to very crudely approximate your idea of kites using dynamic soaring to advance to windward. The Sharp Cyclo-Kite flies in vertical loops when facing the wind. That is somewhat similar to dynamic soaring, but while on tethers. When the blade/wing is at the bottom of the orbit, it faces the wind. So it does back loops. It is typically mounted between two tall poles by using thin shock cords and swivels. To enable the back-looping Cyclo-Kite to advance into the wind, mount the two poles on a wide catamaran, one pole on each hull, and face the catamaran into the wind. Then rigidly connect the two vertical poles to a long horizontal arm extending toward the stern, and connect that long horizontal arm to a whale-tail propeller. Use hinges to allow the poles and the long horizontal arm to oscillate, sort of like an “L” shaped bell crank.
      The result will be that when the Cyclo-Kite flies in loops, it will oscillate the poles fore and aft, and they will oscillate the whale-tail propeller up and down to propel the catamaran to windward. The path of the Cyclo-Kite will then trace a back-looping path that moves upwind. This is not dynamic soaring because the angles of attack are not the same in the two cases, and the shape of the (elliptical) orbit is not the same in the two cases. But the path of the blade/wing is nevertheless somewhat similar to dynamic soaring.
      This boat is just a windmill boat. Windmill boats are able to advance directly upwind, but their speed is typically limited to 0.5 times the speed of the wind if the windmill is designed to produce maximum power. The Cyclo-Kite is also a vertical axis (cross-flow) cycloturbine on its side so that its axis of rotation is horizontal and perpendicular to the wind.
      If the vertical orbit were large enough, it could take advantage of the wind gradient to accelerate the blade while at the top of its orbit, and that would be a form of dynamic soaring. However, the Cyclo-Kite blade typically moves at only two times the speed of the wind, so its making use of dynamic soaring would not provide much of an advantage.
      PeterS
       
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      Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:56 PM
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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20666 From: dave santos Date: 9/16/2016
      Subject: Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service
      Price's balloon patent overlooks kite lift, and the specific pick-and-place rigging he proposes is very generic, with many similarity-cases. Kite lift is a promising app space where patents are few and expired or weak.

      Price does present a fair balloon-based lifting scheme and he notes the same energy-storage concept we have explored, of using high-altitude mass as a storage medium. Kites have far more potential to lift storage-mass economically on a vast scale, but balloons can store such mass longer in calms.

      Not clear on what a "bird windmill" is, as it did not seem to appear in image search, but sounds cool, so hoping PeterS can point us to an example.



      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20667 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/17/2016
      Subject: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"
      Attachments :

        Hi Dave Santos,

        Sorry about the ambiguity. Thank you for asking for clarification. The Bird Windmill is the horizontal-orbit version of the vertical-orbit Sharp Cyclo-Kite. The blade/kite of the Bird Windmill is a kite to the extent that is entirely supported by two tethers. Usually, at least the bottom tether is elastic in order to enable the blade’s orbit to expand. The blade/kite self-starts in winds of about 3 to 4 mph. It is very inefficient because the blade sweeps a huge area of wind at a tip speed ratio of only 2. But it is extremely cheap to build. Here are a couple of my videos, listed under my user name on YouTube: “Tinkerbits”, that show basically how a Bird Windmill works. It might potentially produce the cheapest energy of any windmill (wind pump) by a wide margin. It can also produce electricity in a number of different ways, and may produce cheaper electricity than most other wind energy conversion devices. All of the parts can be just tied together if necessary, so it is well suited to the needs of very poor farmers in the developing world.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4ZaTEl1Ok&index=21&list=ULN-c7JDQCRvs

        Flat, straight, Coroplast blade test, 10 plus mph wind. Pitch control allows very simple and cheap blades to be used. Note the rocking arms on the blade, and the counterweight. The blade functions as (one kind of) a centrifugal-spring to control the pitch angle of the blade.

        And here is a simple and cheap way to set it up for water pumping. The pump can be located a very long distance from the windmill by using am oscillating “jerker line” to transmit energy.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFdPxrj1evk&feature=youtu.be

        Bird Windmill with rocking towers.

        This is the first, “quick and dirty” demonstration of simulated pumping using rocking (crane) V-towers. The angle of the towers determines their mechanical advantage. One hanging weight simulates a lift pump and the other serves as a counterbalance and an energy accumulator to double the pull of the blade. The blade is a tetrahedral V-sail-blade/kite with a plastic drop-cloth skin. The fan is on medium for this video. The various other dumbbells substitute for stakes in the ground to hold the 4 towers in place. Outdoors, the tripod towers could be single, guyed poles to further simplify. Cheap metal conduit or bamboo could be used for the poles and rocking towers. This blade/kite was not adjusted for easy self-starting because the aspect ratio is too low, so I gave it a push to start it. The blade orbit would typically be much larger. Full-scale blades/kites might be about 8 feet tall with a 2 foot chord, and straight, with rocking arms on the blade. The strength of the shock cords supporting the blade is chosen to cause the blade to orbit about once per second so as to be compatible with most piston pumps. As the wind speed increases, the orbit diameter increases, so the rpm remains about the same. I also invented (on paper) a water pump (a differential piston pump) to go with the Bird Windmill that can safely handle a higher rpm. It is driven by just a cord, not a piston rod, because water above the piston forces it back down.

        If used in large arrays, Bird Windmills on wind farms may be able to produce electricity much cheaper than conventional, large-scale HAWT. It should be possible to fly many blades between two pole towers, and rows of blades could be mounted at different elevations between the same two towers. The result would be an enormous total swept area with extremely little mass and a very low cost. Consequently, Dr. Dabiri (VAWT wind farm researcher) said he will be following my progress (which, given my arthritis, is close to zero). Actually, the best way to use Bird Windmills might be to have many Bird blades/kites all spin a common shaft to drive an air compressor for energy storage. They might also be used for mechanically generating heat to be stored.

        The best blades for the Bird Windmill are straight blades, like the one shown in the first video, or streamlined versions of it. That is because straight blades can achieve twice the swept area, as compared to V-blades and C-blades, for a given tower height.

        The Bird Windmill suggests that perhaps the cheapest wind energy conversion devices may prove to be hybrids of kites and conventional windmills. I just wrote a paper showing how it may be possible to build HAWT-Kites, meaning HAWT whose blades function like single-line, tethered kites so as to greatly reduce costs. The key may be passive pitch-control based on centrifugal springs. I’ll send Joe Faust my paper. I hope that you will enjoy it.

        PeterS

         

         

         

         

        From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:09 PM
        To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [AWES] Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service

         

         

        Price's balloon patent overlooks kite lift, and the specific pick-and-place rigging he proposes is very generic, with many similarity-cases. Kite lift is a promising app space where patents are few and expired or weak.

         

        Price does present a fair balloon-based lifting scheme and he notes the same energy-storage concept we have explored, of using high-altitude mass as a storage medium. Kites have far more potential to lift storage-mass economically on a vast scale, but balloons can store such mass longer in calms.

         

        Not clear on what a "bird windmill" is, as it did not seem to appear in image search, but sounds cool, so hoping PeterS can point us to an example.

         

         

        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20668 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/17/2016
        Subject: The Sharp HAWT-Kite Concept by Peter A. Sharp

        The Sharp HAWT-Kite Concept by Peter A. Sharp    

         An 8-page PDF, September 2016. 


        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20669 From: dave santos Date: 9/17/2016
        Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"
        PeterS,

        Yes we (AWES Forum circle) very much do enjoy your Bird Windmill work, and agree that such flying turbines have great potential. In particular, the Bird and and closely related flapping wings, hung vertically, have the ability to accept wind from any direction, so we have envisioned large arrays that could spin in synchrony, perhaps in opposed rotations by pairs or groups, under a dome-like lifting-kite layer, which is a separate line of study. 

        We have considered many of the same transmission ideas, like the rotary elastic accumulator, ratchet-pairs, and so on. Rope-driving loops and rope-pumping seem favored to reach high altitudes, but torque transmissions may have some role over shorter distances, like maybe aggregating unit rotary power aloft for mass rope drive transmission down. There is still a lot to test, including marginal ideas to kill-off while gaining any lessons.

        We have also worked our way through many different interpretations of "efficiency", and of course economic and practical efficiency trumps highest TSR (so the Aermotor lives on). We find kite power-to-weight efficiency tends to be the most predictive of good performance. We are far from running out of airspace, but do envision that frontal airspace efficiency in Betz terms will count in the long term.

        Its great to find the handful of rare talents like you who are thinking along these lines and making working prototypes. Hoping we can all work together to perfect and scale up the best ideas to power the world by upper wind. Let us know your thoughts on where we go from here...

        daveS




        On Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:07 AM, "'Peter A. Sharp' sharpencil@sbcglobal.net [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
        Hi Dave Santos,
        Sorry about the ambiguity. Thank you for asking for clarification. The Bird Windmill is the horizontal-orbit version of the vertical-orbit Sharp Cyclo-Kite. The blade/kite of the Bird Windmill is a kite to the extent that is entirely supported by two tethers. Usually, at least the bottom tether is elastic in order to enable the blade’s orbit to expand. The blade/kite self-starts in winds of about 3 to 4 mph. It is very inefficient because the blade sweeps a huge area of wind at a tip speed ratio of only 2. But it is extremely cheap to build. Here are a couple of my videos, listed under my user name on YouTube: “Tinkerbits”, that show basically how a Bird Windmill works. It might potentially produce the cheapest energy of any windmill (wind pump) by a wide margin. It can also produce electricity in a number of different ways, and may produce cheaper electricity than most other wind energy conversion devices. All of the parts can be just tied together if necessary, so it is well suited to the needs of very poor farmers in the developing world.
        Flat, straight, Coroplast blade test, 10 plus mph wind. Pitch control allows very simple and cheap blades to be used. Note the rocking arms on the blade, and the counterweight. The blade functions as (one kind of) a centrifugal-spring to control the pitch angle of the blade.
        And here is a simple and cheap way to set it up for water pumping. The pump can be located a very long distance from the windmill by using am oscillating “jerker line” to transmit energy.
        Bird Windmill with rocking towers.
        This is the first, “quick and dirty” demonstration of simulated pumping using rocking (crane) V-towers. The angle of the towers determines their mechanical advantage. One hanging weight simulates a lift pump and the other serves as a counterbalance and an energy accumulator to double the pull of the blade. The blade is a tetrahedral V-sail-blade/kite with a plastic drop-cloth skin. The fan is on medium for this video. The various other dumbbells substitute for stakes in the ground to hold the 4 towers in place. Outdoors, the tripod towers could be single, guyed poles to further simplify. Cheap metal conduit or bamboo could be used for the poles and rocking towers. This blade/kite was not adjusted for easy self-starting because the aspect ratio is too low, so I gave it a push to start it. The blade orbit would typically be much larger. Full-scale blades/kites might be about 8 feet tall with a 2 foot chord, and straight, with rocking arms on the blade. The strength of the shock cords supporting the blade is chosen to cause the blade to orbit about once per second so as to be compatible with most piston pumps. As the wind speed increases, the orbit diameter increases, so the rpm remains about the same. I also invented (on paper) a water pump (a differential piston pump) to go with the Bird Windmill that can safely handle a higher rpm. It is driven by just a cord, not a piston rod, because water above the piston forces it back down.
        If used in large arrays, Bird Windmills on wind farms may be able to produce electricity much cheaper than conventional, large-scale HAWT. It should be possible to fly many blades between two pole towers, and rows of blades could be mounted at different elevations between the same two towers. The result would be an enormous total swept area with extremely little mass and a very low cost. Consequently, Dr. Dabiri (VAWT wind farm researcher) said he will be following my progress (which, given my arthritis, is close to zero). Actually, the best way to use Bird Windmills might be to have many Bird blades/kites all spin a common shaft to drive an air compressor for energy storage. They might also be used for mechanically generating heat to be stored.
        The best blades for the Bird Windmill are straight blades, like the one shown in the first video, or streamlined versions of it. That is because straight blades can achieve twice the swept area, as compared to V-blades and C-blades, for a given tower height.
        The Bird Windmill suggests that perhaps the cheapest wind energy conversion devices may prove to be hybrids of kites and conventional windmills. I just wrote a paper showing how it may be possible to build HAWT-Kites, meaning HAWT whose blades function like single-line, tethered kites so as to greatly reduce costs. The key may be passive pitch-control based on centrifugal springs. I’ll send Joe Faust my paper. I hope that you will enjoy it.
        PeterS
         
         
         
         
        From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:09 PM
        To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [AWES] Re: Megalifting by Kite as an early AWE commercial service
         
         
        Price's balloon patent overlooks kite lift, and the specific pick-and-place rigging he proposes is very generic, with many similarity-cases. Kite lift is a promising app space where patents are few and expired or weak.
         
        Price does present a fair balloon-based lifting scheme and he notes the same energy-storage concept we have explored, of using high-altitude mass as a storage medium. Kites have far more potential to lift storage-mass economically on a vast scale, but balloons can store such mass longer in calms.
         
        Not clear on what a "bird windmill" is, as it did not seem to appear in image search, but sounds cool, so hoping PeterS can point us to an example.
         
         


        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20670 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/17/2016
        Subject: The Sharp HAWT-Kite Concept by Peter A. Sharp

        The Sharp HAWT-Kite Concept by Peter A. Sharp     

        An 8-page PDF, September 2016. 


        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20671 From: dave santos Date: 9/17/2016
        Subject: DS water ballast mass at altitude as energy accumulator
        Dynamic soaring depends on a glider's high L/D and sufficient penetration mass, so competitive soaring even adds as water ballast as dynamic conditions warrant. This is an evident paradox compared to conventional flight, where "excess" mass is "toxic". Water is an ideal ballast mass medium, as it can be dumped harmlessly, or to supply water.

        DS ballast mass might therefore be seen as a sort of defect, but its a necessary condition for a crosswind-axis Bird Turbine* to orbit upwind vigorously, as part of its power cycle. Furthermore, bulk DS water ballast embedded in kite metamaterial can provide an energy storage capability, by ranging higher, just as pumped hydropower or cuckoo-clock weights store energy.

        This is a promising AWES approach to enable baseload electrical supply around the clock.

        Open-AWE_IP-Cloud

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        * proposing this PeterS term generically cover all "looping foils" as a class, including whatever variants eventually prevail.
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20672 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/18/2016
        Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"
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          Hi DaveS,

          Thank you for your very kind and supportive words. We all need encouragement. I work alone, so I don’t get much.

          Your comment, we have envisioned large arrays that could spin in synchrony, perhaps in opposed rotations by pairs or groups,…” caused me to wonder if you might be interested in another paper I wrote recently that includes some academic research on that topic. These arrays of Sharp Cycloturbines need to orient to the wind, but that is not a problem if they are suspended from some type of kite. The article was originally titled, “VAWT Will Replace HAWT”, but the editor preferred a less controversial title. Wall-like arrays of VAWT can be especially light because they remain essentially two dimensional structures as the wall area increases. The Sharp Cycloturbine itself can be especially light. And that may make these arrays suitable for suspension from kites. Overspeed control would be accomplished by simply letting the suspended VAWT wall swing backward away from the wind to reduce the swept area and to cause gravity to disrupt the pitch control system of the Sharp Cycloturbines -- which need to be close to vertical to function correctly (about 20 degrees away from vertical can be tolerated).

          http://www.windpowerengineering.com/featured/business-news-projects/vawts-replace-hawts/

          By the way, all of my information is non-confidential; anyone is free to use any of my concepts and inventions. And if anyone would like more information, please feel free to ask.

          PeterS

           

           

          From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:12 PM
          To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
          Cc: joefaust333!@gmail.com
          Subject: Re: [AWES] Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"

           

           

          PeterS,

           

          Yes we (AWES Forum circle) very much do enjoy your Bird Windmill work, and agree that such flying turbines have great potential. In particular, the Bird and and closely related flapping wings, hung vertically, have the ability to accept wind from any direction, so we have envisioned large arrays that could spin in synchrony, perhaps in opposed rotations by pairs or groups, under a dome-like lifting-kite layer, which is a separate line of study. 

           

          We have considered many of the same transmission ideas, like the rotary elastic accumulator, ratchet-pairs, and so on. Rope-driving loops and rope-pumping seem favored to reach high altitudes, but torque transmissions may have some role over shorter distances, like maybe aggregating unit rotary power aloft for mass rope drive transmission down. There is still a lot to test, including marginal ideas to kill-off while gaining any lessons.

           

          We have also worked our way through many different interpretations of "efficiency", and of course economic and practical efficiency trumps highest TSR (so the Aermotor lives on). We find kite power-to-weight efficiency tends to be the most predictive of good performance. We are far from running out of airspace, but do envision that frontal airspace efficiency in Betz terms will count in the long term.

           

          Its great to find the handful of rare talents like you who are thinking along these lines and making working prototypes. Hoping we can all work together to perfect and scale up the best ideas to power the world by upper wind. Let us know your thoughts on where we go from here...

           

          daveS

           

           

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          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20673 From: dave santos Date: 9/18/2016
          Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"
          Attachments :
            Yes, we have had the same insight, that a quasi-2D curtain of turbines could break normal turbine 3D scaling limits. Modern automated manufacturing also figures in upending the old version of "economy-of-scale" with metamaterial small-units. As for whether VAWTs will replace HAWTs: only in specific cases, just as HAWTs displaced early VWAT clapper-mills. The future will be diverse, with room for competing principles to co-exist.

            So we now face actual prototyping of bird-turbine metamaterial. We have some experience with cross-linked units self-sychronizing just as Huygens' clocks centuries ago. The essential precondition is matched units with matched constrained motions, no complex automation required. We expect waves of energy coursing thru the fabric just as a flag waves, and we will likely tap this energy either along edges or from within the body of fabric, as a damping factor. Its going to be just as fun taming arrays of bird-turbine WECS units as it was to develop them. 

            Note that Open-AWE, as it has been defined on the AWES Forum over years, does reserve this CC right for small developers and communities over large corporations, for peaceful uses. The fear was that the inventive gifts of our small-developer community could simply be usurped into mass military-industrial profits, without us having any say. How would you feel if your bird-turbine work was used wrongly by bad-actors who claimed your blessing?

            So we are having our say by defining Open-AWE as representative of the widest stake-holder perspective. In 2010, we even beat-back a secretive US Congress lobbying project by AWEC (as led by Makani/Joby) to privatize airspace for AWE investment. We eventually got political help from powerful legacy aviation user communities, and this bad idea remains dead for now. The good idea that remains is that AWE technology and the upper wind resource should belong to everyone.




            On Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:26 PM, "'Peter A. Sharp' sharpencil@sbcglobal.net [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
            Hi DaveS,
            Thank you for your very kind and supportive words. We all need encouragement. I work alone, so I don’t get much.
            Your comment, we have envisioned large arrays that could spin in synchrony, perhaps in opposed rotations by pairs or groups,…” caused me to wonder if you might be interested in another paper I wrote recently that includes some academic research on that topic. These arrays of Sharp Cycloturbines need to orient to the wind, but that is not a problem if they are suspended from some type of kite. The article was originally titled, “VAWT Will Replace HAWT”, but the editor preferred a less controversial title. Wall-like arrays of VAWT can be especially light because they remain essentially two dimensional structures as the wall area increases. The Sharp Cycloturbine itself can be especially light. And that may make these arrays suitable for suspension from kites. Overspeed control would be accomplished by simply letting the suspended VAWT wall swing backward away from the wind to reduce the swept area and to cause gravity to disrupt the pitch control system of the Sharp Cycloturbines -- which need to be close to vertical to function correctly (about 20 degrees away from vertical can be tolerated).
            By the way, all of my information is non-confidential; anyone is free to use any of my concepts and inventions. And if anyone would like more information, please feel free to ask.
            PeterS
             
             
            From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
            Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:12 PM
            To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
            Cc: joefaust333!@gmail.com
            Subject: Re: [AWES] Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"
             
             
            PeterS,
             
            Yes we (AWES Forum circle) very much do enjoy your Bird Windmill work, and agree that such flying turbines have great potential. In particular, the Bird and and closely related flapping wings, hung vertically, have the ability to accept wind from any direction, so we have envisioned large arrays that could spin in synchrony, perhaps in opposed rotations by pairs or groups, under a dome-like lifting-kite layer, which is a separate line of study. 
             
            We have considered many of the same transmission ideas, like the rotary elastic accumulator, ratchet-pairs, and so on. Rope-driving loops and rope-pumping seem favored to reach high altitudes, but torque transmissions may have some role over shorter distances, like maybe aggregating unit rotary power aloft for mass rope drive transmission down. There is still a lot to test, including marginal ideas to kill-off while gaining any lessons.
             
            We have also worked our way through many different interpretations of "efficiency", and of course economic and practical efficiency trumps highest TSR (so the Aermotor lives on). We find kite power-to-weight efficiency tends to be the most predictive of good performance. We are far from running out of airspace, but do envision that frontal airspace efficiency in Betz terms will count in the long term.
             
            Its great to find the handful of rare talents like you who are thinking along these lines and making working prototypes. Hoping we can all work together to perfect and scale up the best ideas to power the world by upper wind. Let us know your thoughts on where we go from here...
             
            daveS
             
             
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            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20674 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/18/2016
            Subject: Re: DS water ballast mass at altitude as energy accumulator
            Attachments :

              Hi DaveS,

              Intuitively, it would seem right, as you suggest, to add ballast, perhaps water, to a Bird Windmill blade, flying in either horizontal or vertical circles (Cyclo-Kite). The ballast, it makes sense to assume, would increase energy accumulation, and the flywheel effect, and might also, one might assume, increase the speed of the blade. So your guesses are good ones. But the physics of the Bird blade are quite complex, even though it is dirt simple to make and costs almost nothing. So there is a problem with adding water ballast to a Bird blade. I’ll explain, but please forgive me if I get to detailed.

              Per orbit, the blade can extract only a certain amount of energy from the wind. The centrifugal force of the blade then pulls on cords to transmit that energy to a driven device such as a pump. If the blade is made heavier, it can transmit a stronger pulling force. So it would seem sensible to make the blade heavier. But a heavier blade can act to transmit more energy than the blade can capture during an orbit. That energy has to come from somewhere, and so it is taken from the momentum of the blade. The result is that the blade slows down. But if the blade slows down, it captures less energy per orbit.

              So, sadly, above a blade weight of roughly 0.5 pounds per square foot (roughly 5 pounds per square meter), the blade speed seems to reduce, meaning that the tip speed ratio of the blade becomes smaller. The bottom line is that above a certain weight per blade area, a heavier blade cannot capture more energy. But future research might find a way around that limit.

              So if the goal is to get a Bird blade to accumulate as much energy as possible per orbit, the best way to do that is to reduce the diameter of the blade’s orbit. If the orbit diameter is reduced to one half, the centrifugal force will double, and the rpm will double, so the energy capture will increase 4 times.

              That is different from conventional wind turbines which are designed to operate at close to their best tip speed ratio. The Bird rotor, due to its tip speed ratio of only 2, has a solidity ratio that is way too low to begin with for high efficiency. So the solidity ratio can be increased a lot without reducing the tip speed ratio. An efficient VAWT with a tip speed ratio of 3 would have a solidity ratio of about 0.15 to 0.20. So a Bird blade with its tip speed ratio of only 2 will almost never reach its optimum solidity ratio of something like 0.3 to 0.5. Consequently, the orbit diameter can be made as small as practical. The limit is set by whatever frequency (rpm) will cause destructive shaking of the whole windmill. The Bird Windmill is deliberately unbalanced. That imbalance is used to great benefit. But there is a practical safety limit on the rpm as a result.

              Well, these details are probably boring, but I wanted to include enough to explain why your good idea runs into a problem in this particular case due to the very odd characteristics of the Bird Windmill.

               

              However, let me mention an experiment I did with the Bird Windmill that is relevant to your good suggestion. Water ballast could be used in a particular way to enhance the versatility of a Bird Windmill. The experiment I did was very simple, but the resulting physics was quite complex. So a lot more experimenting is required to work out the basic proportions and dynamics.

              I typically test a Bird blade by using two horizontal poles. I hold one pole and put the other one on the ground and step on it. The blade’s elastic cords attach to the two poles. The blade orbits and causes the poles to flex back and forth.

              For the experiment, I eliminated the bottom pole. I tied the bottom cord from the blade to a short length of dowel. Since the dowel hung down, gravity acting on the dowel created a steady pull -- sort of like an elastic cord would normally do. The blade started normally and began to orbit. The hanging stick began to orbit too. But it didn’t orbit with the blade. It orbited opposite the blade and served as a counterbalance to the blade. The stick was ballast that served as a counterbalance.

              So instead of a stick, a container of water might be used instead. It might need to be a tube filled with water, or just a plastic bag filled with water might work. I would need to do more experiments.

              What that means is that a Bird blade could be suspended from a kite, and the bottom cord of the Bird blade would not have to extend all the way down to the ground. The ballast might even weigh less than a cord to the ground. The bottom cord could extend down a relatively short distance to a water ballast container that would enable the blade to orbit normally even though the bottom cord was not anchored to a stationary object. So the Bird blade could be lifted to a great height and still function normally. And it would function as a dynamically balanced windmill to some extent. Here is a sketch of the basic idea. In this case, I was thinking about using the concept for an advertising sign instead of hanging it from a kite. As an advertising sign, I think it would sell well. So here is a kite that could be used for advertising along city streets.

              Incidentally, the Bird blade is actually partially airborne. That is because its interaction with the wind increases its elevation above its starting point.

               

               

              A Bird blade suspended from a kite might, for example, have a ram-air-turbine (RAT) mounted on it. In one of my videos, I show a Bird blade with a RAT mounted on it. It worked. The LED is fully lit, but it’s hard to see in the sunlight. The blade is way too small for the RAT, and that slowed the blade, but it worked anyway.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It2tx110ON8

              But a RAT on the blade is not such a great idea because the blade normally only moves at a TSR of 2, and a RAT needs a high apparent wind speed, preferably a tip speed ratio of 3 or more.

              Another option would be to use the Bird blade to twist the cords of a twist-cord-accumulator/transmission (TCAT). I’ve used a Bird blade to do that, and it works easily.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W85Yr1BwIsw

              So instead of using a water ballast below the blade, a generator could be used as the ballast below the blade. A tail vane would prevent the body of the generator from spinning with the TCAT spun the shaft of the generator.

              A better option might be to use a RAT as the ballast below the blade. Maybe it could be designed so that it would orbit with a much larger diameter than the blade. That would increase its tip speed ratio of the RAT to 3 or 4, and that would enable a small, light RAT to produce a lot of power for its size. The electricity would go from the RAT up the cords, past the Bird blade, and to the main tether of the supporting kite, and then down to the ground.

              Neither of the blade cords needs to be elastic because gravity substitutes for elasticity in this case. The blade orbit can expand normally, and so can the orbit of the ballast. As their orbits expand, they rise upward.

              The end result would be similar to a Makani energy kite system, but potentially far simpler and far cheaper. So your suggestion of using water ballast for a Bird blade leads to an unexpected, and different, application where the water ballast concept functions as an intermediate step in the invention process. Much thanks for your suggestion.

              -------------------------------------

               

              Here is a related idea based on your suggestion. A Bird blade could be constructed using kite materials. The counterweight is, in effect, a form of ballast. So the counterweight could be a streamlined, closed container of water. It would then be easy to balance the blade correctly by just adding or subtracting some water. In an emergency, the water could be dumped, thus unbalancing and feathering the blade.

              -----------------

               

              Careful readers may have noted that perhaps the ballast weight below a Bird blade could be replaced by another Bird blade, and so on, thus creating a very tall column of Bird blades counterbalancing each other. That would be a most interesting looking device. If that worked, then the next step would be to determine the best way to use the column to produce energy.

              ------------------

               

              On the general subject of using water ballast to accumulate energy, here is a crazy way to do that with a Sharp Cycloturbine. It’s admittedly a wild idea, but it might actually work. I’m including it here just for fun, even though it’s not airborne. Sometimes seemingly unrelated trains of thought can lead to desirable, but unexpected, destinations. Maybe this one will.

               

               

              PeterS

               

              PS: I would like to think about your suggestion of classifying “looping foils” as a group, but I can’t yet find the technical details on the other foils you mentioned. Can you or someone else help me? I’m not actually logged onto the AWES site because Yahoo thinks I’m somebody else and won’t let me tell them any different.

               

               

              From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
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              Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20675 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/18/2016
              Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"
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                Hi DaveS,

                Thanks much for the information, and bravo to you and to all those who worked to stop that legislation!!!

                If you can send me more detailed information about what you would like to accomplish, and why, then I might be able to come up with some devices to consider. At present, all I understand is that you want some permanent structure that produces energy using synchronized kites. I’m not clear on the potential advantages of such a structure. I mean, I assume the goal is cheap energy, but I’m not clear on exactly what is the technique, at least in principle. I can picture a dome made out of arches of kites, in different ways, but that’s about all I’ve got in mind so far.

                If the goal is a huge dome for producing energy, perhaps enclosing a town or a farm-sized greenhouse, and supporting wind energy conversion devices, how might kites be superior to, for example, an inflatable dome, or a geodesic dome, or a buoyant dome, supporting wind turbines? I like the basic idea of thinking really big.

                Here is an observation that might be relevant. A lot of farming is done on large circular fields to accommodate rolling irrigation sprinklers, and such plots might be sized to suit an energy dome. If the energy dome were sealed it could capture and recirculate the water used for irrigation. Given the growing water crises, such energy domes might serve multiple purposes, including growing winter crops in cold climates. Lifting/energy kites might be used in a very odd way: to produce a down pressure, via pulley wheels, to help stiffen and hold the dome in place in high winds. That’s just a crazy idea, but it might lead to something else that is more useful.

                PeterS

                 

                 

                 

                From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
                Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:47 PM
                To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [AWES] Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"

                 

                 

                Yes, we have had the same insight, that a quasi-2D curtain of turbines could break normal turbine 3D scaling limits. Modern automated manufacturing also figures in upending the old version of "economy-of-scale" with metamaterial small-units. As for whether VAWTs will replace HAWTs: only in specific cases, just as HAWTs displaced early VWAT clapper-mills. The future will be diverse, with room for competing principles to co-exist.

                 

                So we now face actual prototyping of bird-turbine metamaterial. We have some experience with cross-linked units self-sychronizing just as Huygens' clocks centuries ago. The essential precondition is matched units with matched constrained motions, no complex automation required. We expect waves of energy coursing thru the fabric just as a flag waves, and we will likely tap this energy either along edges or from within the body of fabric, as a damping factor. Its going to be just as fun taming arrays of bird-turbine WECS units as it was to develop them. 

                 

                Note that Open-AWE, as it has been defined on the AWES Forum over years, does reserve this CC right for small developers and communities over large corporations, for peaceful uses. The fear was that the inventive gifts of our small-developer community could simply be usurped into mass military-industrial profits, without us having any say. How would you feel if your bird-turbine work was used wrongly by bad-actors who claimed your blessing?

                 

                So we are having our say by defining Open-AWE as representative of the widest stake-holder perspective. In 2010, we even beat-back a secretive US Congress lobbying project by AWEC (as led by Makani/Joby) to privatize airspace for AWE investment. We eventually got political help from powerful legacy aviation user communities, and this bad idea remains dead for now. The good idea that remains is that AWE technology and the upper wind resource should belong to everyone.

                 

                 

                 

                On Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:26 PM, "'Peter A. Sharp' sharpencil@sbcglobal.net [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com

                Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20676 From: dave santos Date: 9/18/2016
                Subject: Re: DS water ballast mass at altitude as energy accumulator [2 Attac
                Attachments :
                  Peter, 

                  Thanks for all the details. Most of what you relate chimes with our experiences with what we have long called "looping foils", including tuned ballast mass use. Of course we all presume ballast mass is matched to conditions, like the performance sail-plane similarity case, with no excess ballast allowed. As a whole, vast bird turbine arrays would still have enough mass to act as an energy accumulator if drawn up during high wind and drawn down during high load.

                  All kites have mass, including even air-mass in soft-kite, and even air entrained in wake. Some minimal mass is required for the inertial upwind motion in a common DS cycle. We know that as wind velocity rises, ballast mass becomes useful, and water is standard. We still have to figure out how to dump water ballast reliably in the event of an imminent crash.

                  There is a class of tacking wings (aka wingmills) very similar to bird turbine wings on two lines, but since these tack or shunt crosswind without a long windward orbital phase, they do not require penetrating ballast mass, and seem more scalable. Birdmills, by comparsion, tend to require added mass, if inherent airframe mass is too low to penetrate properly. Its going to be fun to fly-off birdmills and wingmills over time, to see how they compare.

                  You also describe wing-loading as a design issue, and our experience jibes with yours, but we frame the lessons differently. Most of us think low wing-loading is the best way to do AWE at its characteristic lower flow velocities (compared to, say, transport aircraft). Fine wings, like Amyx or Makani's, are suited to higher velocities and higher wing-loading only by added structural mass, for sure, but unlikely to soon be cheap, safe, or reliable enough for major AWE adoption. We are on the low wing-loading "rag-and-string" end of the aerospace design spectrum.

                  These truths have occurred in both of our experimental tracks, since we are exploring the same trail. There are probably even more folks out there like us, since we only lately found each other. There is also a nice list of folks working in these areas we have not checked-in with in a while, but stand ready to quit other work when bird-turbine and wingmill R&D funding finally goes big enough to hire large engineering teams, just like other AWES concepts have their day,

                  daveS


                  On Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:36 PM, "'Peter A. Sharp' sharpencil@sbcglobal.net [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
                  Hi DaveS,
                  Intuitively, it would seem right, as you suggest, to add ballast, perhaps water, to a Bird Windmill blade, flying in either horizontal or vertical circles (Cyclo-Kite). The ballast, it makes sense to assume, would increase energy accumulation, and the flywheel effect, and might also, one might assume, increase the speed of the blade. So your guesses are good ones. But the physics of the Bird blade are quite complex, even though it is dirt simple to make and costs almost nothing. So there is a problem with adding water ballast to a Bird blade. I’ll explain, but please forgive me if I get to detailed.
                  Per orbit, the blade can extract only a certain amount of energy from the wind. The centrifugal force of the blade then pulls on cords to transmit that energy to a driven device such as a pump. If the blade is made heavier, it can transmit a stronger pulling force. So it would seem sensible to make the blade heavier. But a heavier blade can act to transmit more energy than the blade can capture during an orbit. That energy has to come from somewhere, and so it is taken from the momentum of the blade. The result is that the blade slows down. But if the blade slows down, it captures less energy per orbit.
                  So, sadly, above a blade weight of roughly 0.5 pounds per square foot (roughly 5 pounds per square meter), the blade speed seems to reduce, meaning that the tip speed ratio of the blade becomes smaller. The bottom line is that above a certain weight per blade area, a heavier blade cannot capture more energy. But future research might find a way around that limit.
                  So if the goal is to get a Bird blade to accumulate as much energy as possible per orbit, the best way to do that is to reduce the diameter of the blade’s orbit. If the orbit diameter is reduced to one half, the centrifugal force will double, and the rpm will double, so the energy capture will increase 4 times.
                  That is different from conventional wind turbines which are designed to operate at close to their best tip speed ratio. The Bird rotor, due to its tip speed ratio of only 2, has a solidity ratio that is way too low to begin with for high efficiency. So the solidity ratio can be increased a lot without reducing the tip speed ratio. An efficient VAWT with a tip speed ratio of 3 would have a solidity ratio of about 0.15 to 0.20. So a Bird blade with its tip speed ratio of only 2 will almost never reach its optimum solidity ratio of something like 0.3 to 0.5. Consequently, the orbit diameter can be made as small as practical. The limit is set by whatever frequency (rpm) will cause destructive shaking of the whole windmill. The Bird Windmill is deliberately unbalanced. That imbalance is used to great benefit. But there is a practical safety limit on the rpm as a result.
                  Well, these details are probably boring, but I wanted to include enough to explain why your good idea runs into a problem in this particular case due to the very odd characteristics of the Bird Windmill.
                   
                  However, let me mention an experiment I did with the Bird Windmill that is relevant to your good suggestion. Water ballast could be used in a particular way to enhance the versatility of a Bird Windmill. The experiment I did was very simple, but the resulting physics was quite complex. So a lot more experimenting is required to work out the basic proportions and dynamics.
                  I typically test a Bird blade by using two horizontal poles. I hold one pole and put the other one on the ground and step on it. The blade’s elastic cords attach to the two poles. The blade orbits and causes the poles to flex back and forth.
                  For the experiment, I eliminated the bottom pole. I tied the bottom cord from the blade to a short length of dowel. Since the dowel hung down, gravity acting on the dowel created a steady pull -- sort of like an elastic cord would normally do. The blade started normally and began to orbit. The hanging stick began to orbit too. But it didn’t orbit with the blade. It orbited opposite the blade and served as a counterbalance to the blade. The stick was ballast that served as a counterbalance.
                  So instead of a stick, a container of water might be used instead. It might need to be a tube filled with water, or just a plastic bag filled with water might work. I would need to do more experiments.
                  What that means is that a Bird blade could be suspended from a kite, and the bottom cord of the Bird blade would not have to extend all the way down to the ground. The ballast might even weigh less than a cord to the ground. The bottom cord could extend down a relatively short distance to a water ballast container that would enable the blade to orbit normally even though the bottom cord was not anchored to a stationary object. So the Bird blade could be lifted to a great height and still function normally. And it would function as a dynamically balanced windmill to some extent. Here is a sketch of the basic idea. In this case, I was thinking about using the concept for an advertising sign instead of hanging it from a kite. As an advertising sign, I think it would sell well. So here is a kite that could be used for advertising along city streets.
                  Incidentally, the Bird blade is actually partially airborne. That is because its interaction with the wind increases its elevation above its starting point.
                   
                   
                  A Bird blade suspended from a kite might, for example, have a ram-air-turbine (RAT) mounted on it. In one of my videos, I show a Bird blade with a RAT mounted on it. It worked. The LED is fully lit, but it’s hard to see in the sunlight. The blade is way too small for the RAT, and that slowed the blade, but it worked anyway.
                  But a RAT on the blade is not such a great idea because the blade normally only moves at a TSR of 2, and a RAT needs a high apparent wind speed, preferably a tip speed ratio of 3 or more.
                  Another option would be to use the Bird blade to twist the cords of a twist-cord-accumulator/transmission (TCAT). I’ve used a Bird blade to do that, and it works easily.
                  So instead of using a water ballast below the blade, a generator could be used as the ballast below the blade. A tail vane would prevent the body of the generator from spinning with the TCAT spun the shaft of the generator.
                  A better option might be to use a RAT as the ballast below the blade. Maybe it could be designed so that it would orbit with a much larger diameter than the blade. That would increase its tip speed ratio of the RAT to 3 or 4, and that would enable a small, light RAT to produce a lot of power for its size. The electricity would go from the RAT up the cords, past the Bird blade, and to the main tether of the supporting kite, and then down to the ground.
                  Neither of the blade cords needs to be elastic because gravity substitutes for elasticity in this case. The blade orbit can expand normally, and so can the orbit of the ballast. As their orbits expand, they rise upward.
                  The end result would be similar to a Makani energy kite system, but potentially far simpler and far cheaper. So your suggestion of using water ballast for a Bird blade leads to an unexpected, and different, application where the water ballast concept functions as an intermediate step in the invention process. Much thanks for your suggestion.
                  -------------------------------------
                   
                  Here is a related idea based on your suggestion. A Bird blade could be constructed using kite materials. The counterweight is, in effect, a form of ballast. So the counterweight could be a streamlined, closed container of water. It would then be easy to balance the blade correctly by just adding or subtracting some water. In an emergency, the water could be dumped, thus unbalancing and feathering the blade.
                  -----------------
                   
                  Careful readers may have noted that perhaps the ballast weight below a Bird blade could be replaced by another Bird blade, and so on, thus creating a very tall column of Bird blades counterbalancing each other. That would be a most interesting looking device. If that worked, then the next step would be to determine the best way to use the column to produce energy.
                  ------------------
                   
                  On the general subject of using water ballast to accumulate energy, here is a crazy way to do that with a Sharp Cycloturbine. It’s admittedly a wild idea, but it might actually work. I’m including it here just for fun, even though it’s not airborne. Sometimes seemingly unrelated trains of thought can lead to desirable, but unexpected, destinations. Maybe this one will.
                   
                   
                  PeterS
                   
                  PS: I would like to think about your suggestion of classifying “looping foils” as a group, but I can’t yet find the technical details on the other foils you mentioned. Can you or someone else help me? I’m not actually logged onto the AWES site because Yahoo thinks I’m somebody else and won’t let me tell them any different.
                   
                   
                  From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
                  Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 8:11 PM
                  To: yahoogroups <airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com


                  Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20677 From: dave santos Date: 9/18/2016
                  Subject: Re: Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"
                  Attachments :
                    PeterS,

                    A kite "dome", as we call it on the AWES Forum, is not at all a rigid conventional dome. Besides earth itself, major rigid structure in AWE is out, as it cannot reach high enough cheap enough. At most, we have envisioned vast ram-air inflated domes we class as quasi-kites, but mostly we envision rather sparse (low solidity like ~0.1 or so) lifter-kite structure here ("rag and string").

                    We see a theoretic need for such a lifting kite dome to accept wind from any direction in order to scale up kite structure far bigger than what can be rotated as a whole to match shifting wind. This would be the infrastructure to hang bird-turbines in large numbers. The trick is for each kixel to angle itself at optimal AoA in any direction, as the dome as a whole does not turn.

                    We do envision permanent kite structures if made from large primary ropes with replaceable covers, and replaceable sails (which we call "kixels"). It will take a while to work out just how our ideas can integrate into something new, after first discovering what each other knows.

                    Disclaimer: I am ranging over a large number of ideas by many people who deserve credit, as documented in JoeF's unsurpassed archives.

                    daveS


                    On Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:24 PM, "'Peter A. Sharp' sharpencil@sbcglobal.net [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
                    Hi DaveS,
                    Thanks much for the information, and bravo to you and to all those who worked to stop that legislation!!!
                    If you can send me more detailed information about what you would like to accomplish, and why, then I might be able to come up with some devices to consider. At present, all I understand is that you want some permanent structure that produces energy using synchronized kites. I’m not clear on the potential advantages of such a structure. I mean, I assume the goal is cheap energy, but I’m not clear on exactly what is the technique, at least in principle. I can picture a dome made out of arches of kites, in different ways, but that’s about all I’ve got in mind so far.
                    If the goal is a huge dome for producing energy, perhaps enclosing a town or a farm-sized greenhouse, and supporting wind energy conversion devices, how might kites be superior to, for example, an inflatable dome, or a geodesic dome, or a buoyant dome, supporting wind turbines? I like the basic idea of thinking really big.
                    Here is an observation that might be relevant. A lot of farming is done on large circular fields to accommodate rolling irrigation sprinklers, and such plots might be sized to suit an energy dome. If the energy dome were sealed it could capture and recirculate the water used for irrigation. Given the growing water crises, such energy domes might serve multiple purposes, including growing winter crops in cold climates. Lifting/energy kites might be used in a very odd way: to produce a down pressure, via pulley wheels, to help stiffen and hold the dome in place in high winds. That’s just a crazy idea, but it might lead to something else that is more useful.
                    PeterS
                     
                     
                     
                    From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
                    Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:47 PM
                    To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [AWES] Clarification to Dave Santos: "What is a Bird Windmill?"
                     
                     
                    Yes, we have had the same insight, that a quasi-2D curtain of turbines could break normal turbine 3D scaling limits. Modern automated manufacturing also figures in upending the old version of "economy-of-scale" with metamaterial small-units. As for whether VAWTs will replace HAWTs: only in specific cases, just as HAWTs displaced early VWAT clapper-mills. The future will be diverse, with room for competing principles to co-exist.
                     
                    So we now face actual prototyping of bird-turbine metamaterial. We have some experience with cross-linked units self-sychronizing just as Huygens' clocks centuries ago. The essential precondition is matched units with matched constrained motions, no complex automation required. We expect waves of energy coursing thru the fabric just as a flag waves, and we will likely tap this energy either along edges or from within the body of fabric, as a damping factor. Its going to be just as fun taming arrays of bird-turbine WECS units as it was to develop them. 
                     
                    Note that Open-AWE, as it has been defined on the AWES Forum over years, does reserve this CC right for small developers and communities over large corporations, for peaceful uses. The fear was that the inventive gifts of our small-developer community could simply be usurped into mass military-industrial profits, without us having any say. How would you feel if your bird-turbine work was used wrongly by bad-actors who claimed your blessing?
                     
                    So we are having our say by defining Open-AWE as representative of the widest stake-holder perspective. In 2010, we even beat-back a secretive US Congress lobbying project by AWEC (as led by Makani/Joby) to privatize airspace for AWE investment. We eventually got political help from powerful legacy aviation user communities, and this bad idea remains dead for now. The good idea that remains is that AWE technology and the upper wind resource should belong to everyone.
                     
                     
                     
                    On Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:26 PM, "'Peter A. Sharp' sharpencil@sbcglobal.net [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com


                    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20678 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/18/2016
                    Subject: Using K Line Tension To Press Things Together

                    From a different topic the following quote: 

                    "Lifting/energy kites might be used in a very odd way: to produce a down pressure, via pulley wheels, to help stiffen and hold the dome in place in high winds. That’s just a crazy idea, but it might lead to something else that is more useful.

                    PeterS"


                    This topic thread invites discussion of using kite systems to pull down things. Pull things down from the sky. Pull things snugly to the earth or to other objects. Pull things together as in clamping, pressing, weighting, ... 


                    Pull houses more firmly to the ground during high winds; bury the pulley and have cable up to the house's foundation; when the wind blows and there is high tension in the involved K line, then the line snugs the house every more firmly to the ground. 


                    Pull pipes down holes. 


                    Have something to clamp while glue cures? 


                    We have in forum some note about using K tension to close the jaws of an X iceberg clamp.  


                    This topic will be here for expansion and development. 




                    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20679 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/19/2016
                    Subject: Re: Using K Line Tension To Press Things Together
                    Some elements:
                    http://www.energykitesystems.net/Pressing/ReelingDrumPress.png

                    http://www.energykitesystems.net/Pressing/Xpress.png


                    Notice in ancient kiting with handheld K lines there is finally some part of hands or fingers that get pressed when countering the K-line tension. Put some object between the hand parts and K-line parts or handle, etc., and get that new object pressed. 

                     




                    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20680 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/19/2016
                    Subject: Re: Patrick D. Kelly on reciprocating system
                    Patrick D. Kelly's patent has been, so far, referenced by: 

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                    US20160013703 *Feb 4, 2013Jan 14, 2016Minesto AbPower plant comprising a structure and a vehicle

                    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20681 From: dave santos Date: 9/19/2016
                    Subject: Diagonal Axis Wind Turbine (DAWT) identified
                    Given so many of or our kite-based turbines operate with their rotation axis inherently diagonal to the wind direction, DAWT is a logical intermediate class in the HAWT-VAWT continuum. For example, Rod Read or Gaylord Olsen's kite turbine concepts, whose axes are along the lifter-kite line, is clearly a DAWT. So are autogyro AWES concepts like SkyMill and SkyWindPower's.  Many past arguments over whether a given DAWT turbine is a HAWT or VAWT are moot. In fact, with normal wind veering, all real-world wind turbines operate transiently in DAWT mode.

                    An open question for single-unit AWES design is whether the build-simplicity of a DAWT is better than the slight performance or stability edge that an optimal HAWT under an optimal lifter-kite might achieve.
                    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20682 From: dave santos Date: 9/19/2016
                    Subject: Re: Patrick D. Kelly on reciprocating system
                    The Kelly patent linked below is a confused mish-mash of known ideas, like kite sails made with woven strips, with scant practical novelty. If this guy really is a patent attorney, as preliminary search seems to indicate, he is more troll expert than kite expert, and the pack of referencing patents to his are a misleading echo-chamber effect. 

                    The illusion of patented AWE invention seems based on resolute ignorance of prior art outside the patent system, and the ongoing threat is that patent interests seek to own prior art, like heritage indigenous knowledge, on the unethical claim that it is not filed art. The AWES Forum has done a great job documenting prior art as the "forum of record" in AWE IP, that no one skilled in our emerging art can credibly deny.

                    The fact remains that there are only a handful of truly inventive and useful kite patents, and most if not all are long expired and now in the public domain.





                    On Monday, September 19, 2016 10:45 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
                    Patrick D. Kelly's patent has been, so far, referenced by: 

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                    US9317043 *Dec 19, 2013Apr 19, 2016Google Inc.Path based power generation control for an aerial vehicle
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                    Apr 21, 2011Burt Steven DWireless communication device
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                    US20130285385 *Apr 29, 2012Oct 31, 2013Ron ZoharMethods and devices for generating electricity from high altitude wind sources
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                    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20683 From: dave santos Date: 9/19/2016
                    Subject: Re: Patrick D. Kelly on reciprocating system
                    Here's the original Kelly patent, less of a pastiche, but still an impractical mix of obvious and odd details. Perhaps the most naive is is a power cycle based on a " zeppelin (that) will be inflated and deflated repeatedly, using equipment to recapture energy during each gas expansion, to help drive subsequent recompression into high-pressure tanks."








                    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20684 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 9/19/2016
                    Subject: Re: Using K Line Tension To Press Things Together
                    Attachments :

                      Hi Joe,

                      I like that you look for patterns and principles to identify.

                      On the subject of kites pulling down something, here are some more:

                      n  A kite pulling a buoyant object to the bottom of the sea to store energy, or to generate energy during both the upward and downward movement of the kite, so that the kite/float can generate power about 95% of the time. The tether could pass around a threaded drum as described below.

                      n  Two kites connected by a U shaped tether, where one kite pulls the other down, and then vice versa, so as to generate power about 95% of the time. To insure high traction, the tether wraps many times around a threaded drum. The threads keep the tether from touching itself, which could cause wear. As the tether screws itself to either end of the drum, it activates a switch to turn the on-kite off, and vice versa. Various kinds of kites could be used. By using a more constant pulling power, the size of the generator could be reduced, as compared to the current 80%/20% split now used for pulling and retrieving times, respectively. The same generator could spin at a high rpm, in opposite directions, during each half cycle of the kites, so no gearing or clutches would be needed, thus achieving a further cost saving and increased reliability. The launch and retrieval could be done in various ways depending upon the kind of kite.

                      Here the pulling/pressing force of the kite is used horizontally over a limited distance:

                      n  Use a kite, with its tether passing around a staked pulley, as a winch to pull down trees for harvesting or stump removal. That would be cheaper and less polluting than using diesel tractors to cut the trees. The kite is pulling/pressing the tree toward the winch.

                      n  Use a kite, with its tether passing around a staked pulley to pull a crude plow for farming. That could be more powerful and cheaper than using oxen. So it could be of considerable benefit for poor farmers in the developing world. An older child would fly the kite while his father handled the plow. What fun! The kite would need to be large and dirt cheap so that the farmer could make his own. What would work best? Plastic drop cloth, good for one season? The kite is pulling/pressing the plow toward the pulley.

                      PeterS

                       

                       

                      From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
                      Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 7:54 AM
                      To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [AWES] Re: Using K Line Tension To Press Things Together

                       

                       

                      Some elements:

                      http://www.energykitesystems.net/Pressing/ReelingDrumPress.png

                      http://www.energykitesystems.net/Pressing/Xpress.png

                       

                      Notice in ancient kiting with handheld K lines there is finally some part of hands or fingers that get pressed when countering the K-line tension. Put some object between the hand parts and K-line parts or handle, etc., and get that new object pressed. 

                       

                       

                       

                       

                      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20685 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/20/2016
                      Subject: Kite upgoing tethers as "side of mountain"
                      Legend of abbreviations: K:: kite system within the J-Model for Kite
                      ===================================================

                      When mountains are not convenient, then consider the upgoing tethers of K as tje side of a "mountain" for various practical uses. Treat the "K-supplied mountain" for activities that are found on mountain sides.  Note that multiple tethers of a K may be side-by-side, parallel, downwind-stacked, or in other arrangements for various purposes. 

                      Patrick D. Kelly's energy concepts rehearsed in his various patents may have missed (absolute comprehensive study has not been done yet)  the K-supplied mountain that is noted in the present post.  We have in earlier forum posts forwarded lifting mass by K to store energy in the form of potential energy to be released at chosen times into other forms of energy when wanted. As Kelly notes, losses of energy in conversions are sometimes acceptable when timing of loads relative to energy supply are calculated. 

                      What is done or placed on sides of mountains?
                      • Vacation huts. Health huts. Fresh air. Cool air. 
                      • Sliding.
                      • Sledding.
                      • Hang gliding launch inclines.
                      • Coasting karts and bicycles.
                      • Holding water for dropping at prescribed times to form electricity from use of generators perhaps at the ground level below the mountain. 
                      • Observation of the surrounding territory. 
                      • Site of communication antennae.
                      • Observatories
                      • Cold objects. Ice keeping. Ice making. 
                      • High altitude airports (HAA) (A trip from one HAA to another HAA might save the energy used to climb to altitude; regenerative processes cannot recover all of the climb-out energy equivalent). 
                      • Fly sub kites. 
                      • WECS
                      • ...

                      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20686 From: dave santos Date: 9/20/2016
                      Subject: Re: Kite upgoing tethers as "side of mountain"
                      Lets give credit to past generations for using mountains as an elevated mass basis for funicular railways and mining cableways. Kelly qua patent lawyer is not an inventive giant like, say, Pockock, Jalbert, or Payne, even as his mountain-based AWES sparks this topic.

                      We have long been aware that human climbing up kitematter is very akin to mountain climbing, using mostly the same skills and tools, even as BASE and paragliding become established in mountaineering. We recall Helen Keller's impression of flying up "liquid mountains" in the sky, as she put it. As we run our ropes up these mountains to "climb the sky", as we put it, we are doing much the same as climbers who use ropes.

                      A large set of quasi-mountain kite ideas are based on snow. Mega-kite lift can pile up snow or lift snow-covered fabric as part of a geoengineering technology to renew glaciers and sustain snow melt thru summer in biomes that depend on it, while perhaps creating temporary ski resorts. On snowy plains kites are a means to raise snow piles just enough for snow-melt to flow long distances.

                      We have also studied how kite-barrage can harvest rain or snow just like mountains do, which matches to this topic. Regarding snow, since we are also considering compression apps, surface snow that is compressed helps preserve permafrost, according to Siberian scientists who study that role of animal herds like reindeer and muskox.




                      On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:18 AM, "Joe Faust joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
                      Legend of abbreviations: K:: kite system within the J-Model for Kite
                      ===================================================

                      When mountains are not convenient, then consider the upgoing tethers of K as tje side of a "mountain" for various practical uses. Treat the "K-supplied mountain" for activities that are found on mountain sides.  Note that multiple tethers of a K may be side-by-side, parallel, downwind-stacked, or in other arrangements for various purposes. 

                      Patrick D. Kelly's energy concepts rehearsed in his various patents may have missed (absolute comprehensive study has not been done yet)  the K-supplied mountain that is noted in the present post.  We have in earlier forum posts forwarded lifting mass by K to store energy in the form of potential energy to be released at chosen times into other forms of energy when wanted. As Kelly notes, losses of energy in conversions are sometimes acceptable when timing of loads relative to energy supply are calculated. 

                      What is done or placed on sides of mountains?
                      • Vacation huts. Health huts. Fresh air. Cool air. 
                      • Sliding.
                      • Sledding.
                      • Hang gliding launch inclines.
                      • Coasting karts and bicycles.
                      • Holding water for dropping at prescribed times to form electricity from use of generators perhaps at the ground level below the mountain. 
                      • Observation of the surrounding territory. 
                      • Site of communication antennae.
                      • Observatories
                      • Cold objects. Ice keeping. Ice making. 
                      • High altitude airports (HAA) (A trip from one HAA to another HAA might save the energy used to climb to altitude; regenerative processes cannot recover all of the climb-out energy equivalent). 
                      • Fly sub kites. 
                      • WECS
                      • ...



                      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20687 From: dave santos Date: 9/20/2016
                      Subject: Pushing back the Literary Origins of Upper WindPower as a concept...
                      Etzler clearly stated the concept of AWE as a potential civilizational power source, "by means of kites", almost two centuries ago, and we are sure that Asian-Pacific traditions long discussed upper wind in kite contexts, but how far back does the idea of Upper WindPower itself go back in literature? Ancient commentary about surface wind is common, but we are here wondering only about such comments that explicitly express high-altitude windpower. 

                      This example, translated by Draper for a children's festival in 1919, even suggests cloud convection in wind as a quasi-kite effect, the original text circa 1225 attributed to Francis of Assisi, cir­ca 1225, in his Can­ti­co di frat­re so­le (Song of Bro­ther Sun)-

                      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20688 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/20/2016
                      Subject: Re: Pushing back the Literary Origins of Upper WindPower as a concep

                      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20689 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/20/2016
                      Subject: Some kiting, but not fully airborne!
                      The teaching by 
                      Paul Preus
                      Charles E. Rosendahl
                      Filed: Jan. 17, 1969
                      Barrier for Control of Substances in Bodies of Water
                      rehearses that some kiting of the fence could be helpful whereas the device kiting to full airborne would be detrimental. 
                      So devices are indicated to stop the device from going fully airborne. 
                      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20690 From: dave santos Date: 9/22/2016
                      Subject: Preliminary kPower Review of new Peter Lynn SS Uniq kites
                      There are two contending first-order conceptual approximations of what an AWES is. The most repeated is that an AWES is like the blade tips of a HAWT, without the hub and tower. The other is an AWES wing as a glorified power-kite. Guess which approach is proving more practical. In power wings, the hot trend is in new single-skin (SS) designs, like the Uniq line reviewed here, just becoming widely available, and kPower is ongoingly evaluating these new wings for AWES use, as having the most power-to-weight of any wing type known.

                      Kite sports took off in the 80's with modern LEI and parafoil designs, but the older 60's NASA SS NPW nevertheless began showing up in kite buggying and then German street-kite niches. Lately, new SS power kites have emerged, especially Reinhart's FlySurfer Peak, progress spurred in part by Ozone's daring SS paraglider. Peter Lynn made major simplifications of the new SS designs and his Dutch brand refined them as Uniq line, just now entering full availability.

                      kPower recently took delivery of a 1.5m2 and 2.5m2 Uniq TR (trainer) kite order. The TR is the three-line version, which was all that seemed available, but the 1.5m2 may end up as a two line, and the 2.5m2 converted to a quad. Three-line is a good trade-off for a simple working kite. The design and build quality is greatly improved over the 2m2 prototype we have been flying for a year now, whose bridling was very crude and prone to hang-up.

                      The standard package includes a PL control bar for each kite. This obvious marketing strategy really drives up the price compared to if the minimal kite itself were sold, but hey, kPower needed more bars for other kites. The problem is that these are not really ideal trainers, since an SS kite is trickier and quite different to fly compared to conventional power kites, and a large bar on a small kite is a it much. With wrist straps instead, the 1.5 becomes the ultimate pocket-kite and with handles, the 2.5 becomes a handier kite and package as well.

                      Just before the order arrived, I was flying a ~2m2 Born NPW for close SS comparison, and my impression is that the improved NPW is very close to the Uniq in performance, and perhaps better in non-reversing stability, with a slightly larger window. The SS wings certainly look hotter, but the Uniq have a rather anomalously small window, but do not disappoint when the wind freshens. Because SS kites have less intertial momentum, they need to be flown very closely in turbulence, but are surprisingly agile.

                      It seems as if the NPW works better in lower wind, and the Uniq maybe has the edge in higher wind, but I have to wait for high wind to confirm this. It may be that a slightly deltoid elliptical planform is the future ideal form, intermediate between the two types. What we are probably seeing in the roughly equivalent performance of the two designs is the mature NPW keeping up with the still very immature new SS power wings, with a lot of improvement still to come.

                      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 20691 From: dave santos Date: 9/22/2016
                      Subject: Re: Preliminary kPower Review of new Peter Lynn SS Uniq kites
                      For review accuracy, noting here the 3m2 Born NPW derivative flown for comparison is an early NST-3 pattern distinguished by double-rows of core bridles that refine the basic airfoil. Born has its own rapidly evolving SS lineage springing directly from the NPW, while other new SS designs began more like Barrish's pioneering pre-NPW wings. Now the Born Long Star line really begins look like Barrish multi-arched SS wings, while other SS kites are flatter laterally. 

                      The high-stakes design contest is not so much for the best-possible soft wing, which is still the wondrous parafoil, but for the most wing for its cost and mass. The expectation is that final standard megascalable SS power kite designs will look more like the high-end FlySurfer Peak and Ozone XXLite, but be bargain-priced.






                      On Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:03 AM, "dave santos santos137@yahoo.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
                      There are two contending first-order conceptual approximations of what an AWES is. The most repeated is that an AWES is like the blade tips of a HAWT, without the hub and tower. The other is an AWES wing as a glorified power-kite. Guess which approach is proving more practical. In power wings, the hot trend is in new single-skin (SS) designs, like the Uniq line reviewed here, just becoming widely available, and kPower is ongoingly evaluating these new wings for AWES use, as having the most power-to-weight of any wing type known.

                      Kite sports took off in the 80's with modern LEI and parafoil designs, but the older 60's NASA SS NPW nevertheless began showing up in kite buggying and then German street-kite niches. Lately, new SS power kites have emerged, especially Reinhart's FlySurfer Peak, progress spurred in part by Ozone's daring SS paraglider. Peter Lynn made major simplifications of the new SS designs and his Dutch brand refined them as Uniq line, just now entering full availability.

                      kPower recently took delivery of a 1.5m2 and 2.5m2 Uniq TR (trainer) kite order. The TR is the three-line version, which was all that seemed available, but the 1.5m2 may end up as a two line, and the 2.5m2 converted to a quad. Three-line is a good trade-off for a simple working kite. The design and build quality is greatly improved over the 2m2 prototype we have been flying for a year now, whose bridling was very crude and prone to hang-up.

                      The standard package includes a PL control bar for each kite. This obvious marketing strategy really drives up the price compared to if the minimal kite itself were sold, but hey, kPower needed more bars for other kites. The problem is that these are not really ideal trainers, since an SS kite is trickier and quite different to fly compared to conventional power kites, and a large bar on a small kite is a it much. With wrist straps instead, the 1.5 becomes the ultimate pocket-kite and with handles, the 2.5 becomes a handier kite and package as well.

                      Just before the order arrived, I was flying a ~2m2 Born NPW for close SS comparison, and my impression is that the improved NPW is very close to the Uniq in performance, and perhaps better in non-reversing stability, with a slightly larger window. The SS wings certainly look hotter, but the Uniq have a rather anomalously small window, but do not disappoint when the wind freshens. Because SS kites have less intertial momentum, they need to be flown very closely in turbulence, but are surprisingly agile.

                      It seems as if the NPW works better in lower wind, and the Uniq maybe has the edge in higher wind, but I have to wait for high wind to confirm this. It may be that a slightly deltoid elliptical planform is the future ideal form, intermediate between the two types. What we are probably seeing in the roughly equivalent performance of the two designs is the mature NPW keeping up with the still very immature new SS power wings, with a lot of improvement still to come.