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any scale or purpose are invented locally or globally over time. We study
the invention space of hang gliders whether or not the hang gliding
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really huge hang gliders are studied.
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|M33: Hang glider Hangegleiter DE 3516998 A1 Filed: May 10, 1985 This is up for detail discussion by anyone.|
|M32: Cross flow fan hang glider device by CHENG CHUNMING|
M31: Nov. 14, 2013
Marj (Davis) Gillespie,
The committee on Oswald Watt Gold Medal regarding John Wallace Dickenson
was somehow fooled. The global mechanicals of what Mr. Dickenson tinkered
were solidly in the public domain; he was not the global mechanical inventor
of the modern hang glider. The root of the tilt is well documented for those
who wish to represent aviation history with integrity and appropriate scrutiny.
A rolling growing snowball effect of error and tilt seems to have fooled the committee
and the RFACA.
It is hoped that The Royal Federation of Aero Clubs of Australia
will find a way to well balance historical remarks.
A start for those who care:
Not sent to the above, however:
Ever watch a rolling snowball grow as it rolled?
Two wrongs let a third and a tenth come easier and easier.
GH can roll the momentum for further and further feathers.
We have been witness to how an aviation error can fly while adding feather after feather!
The 11th and the 20th will get easier for GH to roll into the pool! The tilt gets sillier as the GH rolls.
I wonder what Hargrave would say to the matter?
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Who came up with the flexible wing kite glider????
See the left leading edge and right leading edge. See the keel. See the crossbar or spreader. See the flexible sail.
Above is a clip in a book in 1896 by author Daniel C. Beard.
It was already understood by those skilled in the arts (for nearly 100 years about in first decade of 1800s)
that the mechanical arts involved of hanging weights for control of gliding of kite-like wings
M28: May 20, 2013 Flex-Wing Hang Glider Gold Air Award
So easy to copy, make, tweak, etc, since first decade of 1910:
M27: May 17, 2013 Public domain art seeds a renaissance
in kite-gliding hang gliding paragling
Oct. 27, 1961, Thomas H. Purcell, Jr. took his first flight in his kite-glider. He would go on to sell his plans in Popular Mechanics in 1962 f and also in Experimental Aircraft Association's magazine Sport Aviation.
Sorry, GH, not even the first of "modern" hang gliders. Way off. Your hug to JD is so tight that you seem not to be able to take in anything but your untenable thesis. Boy smashes glass bottle and runs away; an org looks at the broken glass and declares: there is broken glass and publishes such; others look at the published statement about the broken glass and derives statements: "broken glass is there." Seeding boy says, "Don't blame me, I had nothing to do with that third-party statement." GH, the record is there; you broke the glass and now have a habit of running away from the matter. Consider taking responsibility; become a hero and use your powers to 'fess up to the orgs, support the counterexamples, and just let the raw good story of JD fly. With your pointed leadership and a hoped-for enlightened JD, perhaps a strong wave of correction can be made. FAI-CIVL may even lose its entire life, if it does not see through what you have brought to test the FAI; FAI hiding its head on the matter will be a sad story. But FAI could become better and stronger if it faces the challenge your actions have initiated. Will you form a new initiative, a new campaign, to bring on a better FAI and hang gliding history sector in orgs in our community? Hope so.
The root source of the untrue slide statement in the video was from the results of your bully tactics in Australia. The slide will be changed by the publisher soon. Cost: About five persons and some 10 man hours. But the damage will cost others even more time. Community costs of poor journalism is high.
And in your note above, you continue to state an untenable.
The tinkered ski kite glider of JD simply was not the first of modern hang gliders; you continue such false statements in your tunnel vision. The seed of the hang gliders of today does not rest in JD (he was part of a flow that had already been seeded); and not one of your over ten untenable claims for JD hold?each is a false claim. The cost to correct your seeded false statements is tremendous; your campaign tired HGFA and your campaign seeded the result of awards that hold untenable historical statements. You seem to refuse to incorporate historical facts while trying to melt your untenables into an avalanche of facts in hopes that such non-sequitors and association will "win" the applause of the untenables. Well, you do win the infamy of hoaxer regarding the untenable claims for your fav JD. He was certainly not the first in the modern renaissance of hang gliding to use well the Rogallo-NASA-Ryan-USArmy-Marine-inspired four boomer with A-frame; others showed the full tech before JD started his tinkering. All the tech and show was in public domain, shown internationally and even foot-launched before JD started. Those earlier were seeds in the visions and minds of thousands. JD did his project and became part of the later good flow; there is no problem with that good flow. The problem is the set of untenables that you bullied into HGFA and subsequent resultants of FAI, USHPA, and a French low-scruity flow. You do not well utilize professional-level invention logic.
You do not put into timelines the facts that counter your untenables.
JD has become partners with you on the awful flat face to hang gliding that has resulted from your bullied set of untenables that will wreak havoc on the creative face of hang gliding history for a very long time until a groundswell from the ranks counters you and boycotts FAI until real leadership occurs in FAI for historical accuracy; until then your awful untenable seed set has won infamy for you and JD; enjoy the minutes of infamy while you can, as the final legacy ? hopefully will be a robust showing of your record and the low scrutiny of org rubber stampers. Yes, the video student error came from the untenable seed you placed into our hang gliding community; such types of errors will be published many times over. If you care about the hang gliding community as a whole, please consider working with the HGFA and FAI-CIVL to correct matters. And consider correcting all your statements on the Internet that have counterexamples. Consider one-by-one retracting the ten or more untenables of your first article on JD; and then go from there and correct other false claims you made during your raw bully-push campaign. Keep facts that show a good story; and there is yet a good story for JD, but you have deeply muddied his story with your multitude of untenable interpretive claims for him. The cost that others are going through to bring out corrections is considerable; there is a good side to the effort, though, as simply more hang gliding history gets exposed. Now is the time to get even more history out solid: "tear down that Wall" and become a corrector, GH.
NMERider, very neat selection on that urban-bee video story! Thanks for posting its link. ~JoeF
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Well, priority on build, show, and tell:
Some, incomplete list of those using the public-domain arts: ? some were even foot launchers!
Tony Prentice of age 13 (not NASA related; only kite and glider history inspired),
Cecil E. Craigo,
Peter F. Girard ,
Barry Hill Palmer ,
Thomas Purcell in his first Flightsail towing over land and water.
and James Hobson
Paresev team and crew and associates in project: towing and gliding high with astronauts; eight pilots total in that program , and others ?(incomplete list of the priors)
AND ONLY LATER: Mike Burns.
And then later still Dickenson for towing over water in ski kites.
All in that short priority list except Prentice were Rogallo-NASA-Ryan-inspired projects. Hobson had the A-frame like earlier John Worth and others earlier like in 1908. Unfortunately GH forty-plus or so years later would push a false "inventor" claim and at least ten other false claims for the Dickenson project. But notice that in first decade of 1900s Gustave Whitehead taught hung pilot in seat behind downtubes and basebar in battened flex-wing hang glider! And in Breslau a very simple battened hang glider, the very cable-stayed A-frame control system we use today.
GH, for the sake of a rich face for hang gliding and not a flat untenable face, please tear down that phony "inventor" wall and wash off the untenable claims! The unexamined provisional application and the over-generous historical fumble of FMR that you use to unfairly promote untenables do not bring validity to the untenable title you have foisted on JD for our hang gliding community. Sooner than later get on a helpful path for change; and help clean up the mess you made in FAI, HGFA, and USHPA, and our hang gliding history community. You can fly, yes you can?on this rework? without the hoax; help clean up the legacy before JD takes the Next Thermal; now is a good time just before the coming memorial for Hobson on Otto Lilienthal's birthday; good time to make an interior change and decision to get things sans the phony hoax. Even if you make the change, GH, it will take considerable effort and years to clear the historical airs. Infamy is probably less satisfying than merited honor; there is yet opportunity to merit hang glider history honor for yourself in a correcting of the JD "legacy" that has been tilted by you and presumably accepted by JD.
A copy of my reply to GH is placed at the bottom of the following file:
|M26: US4858854 (A) - Inflatable aerodynamic wing structure by JACOBSON BARRY J [GB] +|
|M25: PILOTLESS GLIDER CONSTRUCTION by Willis R. Battles US3920201|
|M24: Off the engine and have a circular-winged hang glider: Notice the full awareness of the then-old triangle control frame or A-frame. Filed in 1927 by Paola P. Worrell Airplane US1735308|
|M23: US4195801 (A) - Partial piloting, lift propelling and propelling system Filed: Nov 22, 1977|
|M22: Remote control hang glider towing aircraft US4248394 Filed Mar 5, 1979|
|M21: Hang Glider by Volmer S. Jensen and Irven H. Culver Patent number: D233426 Filing date: May 10, 1973 Issue date: Oct 29, 1974|
|M20: EP0481843 (B1) - Control device for a gliding wing.|
|M19: When the power is off, the system is a hang glider. Self-propelled flexible wing glider EP 0004965 A1 by Franz WEISHAAR|
|M18: US3995799 Frank J. Bartolini Filed on May 23, 1975|
|M17: Hang glider EP1151918 B1 by Gesuino PETRETTO of Italy. Filed May 5, 2000.|
M16: TOWING WINCH APPARATUS FOR PARAGLIDERS AND HANG- GLIDERS by
Filed: Dec 16, 2004. WO2005058698A1
|M15: Man-powered hang glider by Hiroaki YASUDA of Japan. Filed: April 30, 1991 at USPO. US5170965|
|M14: Hang Glider by Laurent DE KALBERMATTEN EP1399363A1|
|M13: Steering device for a hang glider EP0346323B1 by Josef KECUR. Filed: Mar 3, 1987|
M12: Combined boardsailer and hang glider
by Anton P. Ganev. Filed: Apr 20, 1983
Some possibly related images:
Using wind energy to gain speed and then leave wave and water surface to hang glide back to the water:
Others are welcome. Perhaps aim to get close to the patentee's intention for selecting linked photos.
M11: Walter Villa Gilbert, of New York, N.Y..
Filed: Mar 7, 1929
Discussion start: The payload hanging from the lifting wing intends persons, water hull, motor, and hydro propeller.
When the machine is airborne some hung-mass gliding occurs. Aerodynamic adjustments are envisioned by the inventor. The teaching Mr. Gilbert was open to many sorts of wings, not limited to the drawings, which depict some low-mass flexible-sail with ability to change camber of the formed airfoil in flight.
|M10: Reconfigurable toy extreme sport hang glider US7722426 by Fraser Campbell. Filed: Dec 16, 2005|
M9: The A-frame in hang gliders?
One evolute of the A-frame in hang gliders was running gear and landing gear and takeoff gear for the early powered aircraft; and yet the A-frame for such purpose may be one of the most ubiquitous assemblies in aircraft.
One of the early fully simple hang gliders of battened flexible wing was in 1908 in Breslau in a gliding club; it has pilot hung from keel behind the apexing A-frame triangle control frame with two downtubes (queenposts) and a control basebar; we still use such in many hang gliders today.
Include the infinite-zenithal A-frame or U frame.
Include the opening A-frame or strut-braced.
Include the empty top and empty bottom A-frame, that is, just the two downtubes. Illustrate.
[[ W. Simon had legal coverage over the A-framed hang glider, 1908. ]]
|M8: Spars in hang glider?|
|M7 Splints in hang gliders?|
|M6: Drop-stitch fabric in hang gliders?|
M5: Discuss circle wings in hang gliders. Teasing discussion: Discuss
circle wings in hang gliders.
[Scott flying machine utilizing large discs, with aviator G. Haury in the seat and Tony Mazzinatto standing]
Some tools are being built to serve this group. Inputs by anyone for the
individual tools are welcome.
M3: Flight Path Control System For Aircraft
Benjamin A. Harber Filed: Mar 31, 2011.
This is an application for a patent. What is novel in the claims, as weight-shift-control using platforms has been done in many ways?
|M2: Michael Cone definitely has hang gliders in his view as he teaches a special means to know the status of the structure of a hang glider. What has he to offer hang gliders and the care and use of hang gliders in his teaching in the following recent patent? Patent number: US 8214178 Filing date: Jun 2, 2009. Issue date: Jul 3, 2012|
M1: Jan. 25, 2013
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