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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9383 From: dave santos Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9384 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: Allister Furey back on the radar //Fw: Alert - airborne-wind-en

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9385 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: Solar Kite by Saraceno Studio

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9386 From: dave santos Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Loomis, the "Father of Radio", and his AWES kites (1866- )

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9387 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Traction in water, some review, some new

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9388 From: dave santos Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Gizmag attempts "Dodgy Wind Turbine" Heuristics

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9389 From: dave santos Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Kite Scooter (progress in kitesailing)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9390 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: UltraRope

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9391 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: One-cent Otto

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9392 From: dave santos Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Flying Carbon-Sandwich "UltraBelts" //Re: [AWES] UltraRope

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9393 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: SpiralCone

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9394 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: SpiralCone

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9395 From: dave santos Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Fw: Kitelab Austin Tech Detail Images

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9396 From: dave santos Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Mothra-Tech Wind Power Calculation for FAA provisionally-defined Str

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9397 From: dobosg001 Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9398 From: dave santos Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9399 From: dave santos Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Third-Party Study of Makani Architecture

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9400 From: roderickjosephread Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: SpiralCone

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9401 From: Dan Parker Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: SpiralCone

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9402 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Pause for a distinction on "tetherless AWE"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9403 From: Rod Read Date: 6/17/2013
Subject: The quenching gap

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9404 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Re: SpiralCone

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9405 From: dave santos Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Two New Soft Kite-Arch Concepts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9406 From: dbmurr@ymail.com Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Re: Two New Soft Kite-Arch Concepts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9407 From: dbmurr@ymail.com Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Re: Two New Soft Kite-Arch Concepts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9408 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: SkyBow memories

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9409 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Spectacularly easy way to nurture an AWE service set

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9410 From: dobosg001 Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9411 From: Bob Stuart Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9412 From: dave santos Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Walter Neumark's Arches ///Re: [AWES] Re: Two New Soft Kite-Arch Co

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9413 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: June 2013 by AweCrosswind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9414 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9415 From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: New file uploaded to AirborneWindEnergy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9416 From: Doug Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9417 From: Doug Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Makani-style future Airplane?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9418 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9419 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Swivels, slip rings, mining torque for works ?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9420 From: dave santos Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9421 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Airbrone Solar Energy (correction)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9422 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Shunting Diamond Sail passes Geometric Confirmation

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9423 From: Doug Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9424 From: Doug Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Airbrone Solar Energy (correction)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9426 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Correcting Doug //Re: [AWES] Re: Airbrone Solar Energy (correction)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9428 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: FAA Aeroelasticity Tutorial

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9430 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: More Flight Modes of interest to AWES Design

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9431 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: More Flight Modes of interest to AWES Design

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9432 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: More Flight Modes of interest to AWES Design

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9433 From: Rod Read (Google Drive) Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: cloudballoon.gif (airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9434 From: David Lang Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: More Flight Modes of interest to AWES Design

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9435 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/22/2013
Subject: Aerodynamics of a rigid curved kite wing by ...




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9383 From: dave santos Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders
Hi Gabor,
 
Some of us have long discussed "energy harvesting gliders" (tetherless gliders with turbines) in our small circles, including the early AWES Forum.
 
The modern motorglider with the pop-up propeller has been presumed as a probable standard configuration for at least two decades. Its been understood that this particular AWE concept vitally depends on strong upward convection, either by wind-driven slope-lift or a high atmospheric lapse rate. Convective cloud cores have been identified as a ready source of lift without mountains and prevailing winds ("cloud suck"). Robotic gliders could soon enough be able to operate inside of clouds and tolerate most lightning conditions. Operating over water or with parachutes can mitigate crash risks. Small flying models could validate almost all the known ideas.
 
The main engineering question is what energy storage method is most economic, with high power-to-weight performance. We have speculated about exotic concepts like super-capacitor airframes to do "touch-and-go" discharge, or even hydrogen slush production, but without conclusive findings. Plain liquid-air as a product may be your novel contribution to the discussions.
 
The high capital cost of high-performance gliders is another problem to resolve. Energy harvesting gliders may work well, but be  far too expensive to be profitable, compared to other means. Tethers are a cheap means of kinetic energy transfer, so we focus on them.
 
Most of us do not depend on patents, but think open-source technology well-enough favors the most adept practitioners to be successful. There is no blocking IP we know of. We reserve CC moral rights which "good-actors" respect (The "Honor System"). We propose to share credit and profits on a peer basis. Others reject this model, but their hidden ideas tend to wither in isolation.
 
Welcome to the AWES Forum, and congratulations on your interesting studies,
daveS
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9384 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: Allister Furey back on the radar //Fw: Alert - airborne-wind-en
We have asked him why after so many years, his link set for the industry
does not seem to spell KiteEnergy.net, EnergyKiteSystems.net, AWEIA,
AirborneWindEnergy forum, KiteLab,
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9385 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: Solar Kite by Saraceno Studio
Clip from site:   http://www.carnetdevol.org/avis/texte.htm
where a very serious direction seems to be announced: "a structure to lift humans."   
Perhaps their project is modest: lift one or two humans in a kite system. 
Each day now on earth hundreds, at least, of humans are being lifted into the air by kite systems. 
So, is the Saraceno office looking for something else, other than just lifting humans to the sky by kite systems?
Are they wanting to explore the ready or the not-yet-done?  Are they wanting to tease a futurism with a modest sky sculpture or aim to lift a hundred people for a week's vacation in the sky with many comforts included?    

Lars Behrendt(NYC) le 26/11/2012

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9386 From: dave santos Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Loomis, the "Father of Radio", and his AWES kites (1866- )
A superb kite history site, Carnet de Vol, that Germy Award winner, Kay Busing, plus Alison Fujino, and Ben Ruhe, found in 2007, and we only now rediscover it (by Joe's intrepid digging).
 
Start with this amazing page, and browse around for comparably wonderful kite history content-
 
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9387 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Traction in water, some review, some new
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9388 From: dave santos Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Gizmag attempts "Dodgy Wind Turbine" Heuristics
Soon there will be too much pop AWE coverage to comment in depth. The Gizmag article linked below represents the progressive trend for AWE to now be firmly established as a mainstream windpower topic*. Sadly, there are numerous logical flaws and technical errors in this article, but at least invokes of third-party validation as an ultimate arbiter of claims.
 
Regarding AWE, the author badly fails to introduce a sound cost-benefit analysis. He rightly notes the increased liability of single conductive tethers and high-mass kiteplanes, but wholly overlooks that the FAA is committed to accommodating AWES (if only under 2000ft, until NextGen allows higher access), and that new concepts for multi-anchor self-killing soft-kite arrays resolve runaway risk. Most of all the article neglects to allow that so superior a resource as Upper Wind may well offset all the increased difficulties-
 
* The author even gives AWE social "meme" status.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9389 From: dave santos Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Kite Scooter (progress in kitesailing)
 
Amazing design simplicity and sailing performance, by Ingo Voegler, of a general configuration (bow-foil and kite) long proposed by KiteShip, et al.
 
The original kayak version-
 
 
The new scooter version (if wordwrap breaks this link, look for it in video frame above)-
 
 
Looks like a new sport about to emerge...



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9390 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: UltraRope
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9391 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: One-cent Otto

In the book, Otto Lilienthal tells how he and his brother used kites to help find solutions the the aviation challenge. 
The one-cent cost to AWES community members having USA ship-to addresses is available while supply lasts; one pays only the flat postage, 
which is less than the actual postage and handling costs.   
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9392 From: dave santos Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Flying Carbon-Sandwich "UltraBelts" //Re: [AWES] UltraRope
This "UtraRope" is properly seen as an "ultra-belt". The advantage of a structural-fiber belt is in aggregating threads for great strength and power, but without excess thickness, allowing for smaller pullies and bullwheels. To make such a belt according to sailmaking norms, unwetted (non-prepreg) carbon fiber is sandwiched between two or more thin-film membranes. This allows a high fatigue life. Quality nanotubes are on the way to further revolutionize performance.
 
For AWE, a thin-film/fiber belt-drive tilted to windward (hung from kites tethered to windward) could helpfully develop its own lift (upforce). Upwind ground tethering would be conventional line, for minimal negative lift (downforce). Perhaps stabilizer/tensioner units along the belt would be a standard component. Ultrabelts might run at hundreds of miles per hour for maximum transmission.
 
Ultrabelts are also suited as loadpaths embedded in megascale soft-kites. Similar but smaller structural ribbons are already well known in composite construction, but the Ultra-Rope version is by far the biggest and strongest yet proposed. COTS carbon belts would be suited to reinforce airplane wings at lowered cost.
 
CC BY NC SA
 
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9393 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: SpiralCone
[The two attachments are linked to our forum's Files online; sign-in to see.]
Dear  Sirs:  
Attached are the Concept Drawings of 'Spiralcone Wind Turbines mounted on Pneumatic Stem' of both on&off-Shore.
Kindly  study, evaluate and if found suitable, implement these concepts.
Sincerely, 
Jim  Jose
Bangalore,  India

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9394 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: SpiralCone
In February of this year, he also shared: 
(in online Files space; sign in to see)
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9395 From: dave santos Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Fw: Kitelab Austin Tech Detail Images
 Thanks again to Joe for hosting and linking KiteLab Group content.
 
The image links below disclose more techne from the Austin Encampments.
 
This is also a sample of group work on  Joe's AWE Textbook.
 
Questions welcome; much more soon, as time permits...


 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9396 From: dave santos Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Mothra-Tech Wind Power Calculation for FAA provisionally-defined Str
Keywords- Mothra-Tech, Dense-Arrays, Super-Density-Operations (SDO), Crosswind-Anchors, Airspace Streamtube Efficiency (ASE), Land Footprint Efficiency (LFE), Kite Arch
 
Premise- Single-Anchor AWES units do not maximize airspace streamtube efficiency nor land footprint efficiency and so are poorly scalable. Crosswind anchors, such as are used for kite arches, do maximize spacial efficiency. Mothra-tech is rope-loadpath kite arch based, for superior space efficiency and scalability.
 
Estimated power for a Mothra-based AWES unit within FAA specified airspace came from the Wind Power Calculator at-
 
http://windpower.generatorguide.net/wind-speed-power.html

The basic equations for calculating turbine performance for a given wind are presented on the Calculator page, which fortunately accepted high-altitude numbers. To determine the input numbers, the provisional FAA AWES ceiling of 2000ft was rounded down to 600m, with a 1200m crosswind extent selected to define a representative airspace "stream tube".

With the inputs below for the model kite unit, a power output was calculated-

Efficiency (%)                           10
Wind density (watt/sq.m)      3000
Rated height (meters)            500
Turbine height (meters)          500
Rotor area (sq.m)            360,000

Power (watt)                    108MW


-------------- Notes ----------------

- A low most-probable wind velocity was chosen from the Calculator table, rather than typical high-velocity rated windspeed:
 
From the Calculator table-

Class 3     50 m (164 ft)
Wind Power Density (W/m2) 300-400  
Average Air Speed m/s (mph)    6.4-7.0 (14.3-15.7)

- This rule-of thumb- a doubling of wind velocity per fivefold increase in altitude- was used to derive an approximate wind density at altitude (rather than the provided power-law).

- 10% WECS efficiency was chosen conservatively. A wide variety of WECS can operate suspended under arches. A reasonable 20% eventual efficiency would double power-out.

- 360,000m2 of WECS "rotor" area is half of the 720,000m2 total area (600x1200m2). Solidity would vary according to specific WECS design.

- Kite arch frontal projected area would be about 100,000m2. This wing would shroud the upper margin of the airspace, and generate the lift to hold up the WECS underneath. Lift is enhanced by wing-in-ground-effect geometry and quasi-tetherless arch characteristic.

- The land footprint assumption is comparable to a current 7MW HAWT (which are rated to a higher wind velocity than most-probable-wind).

- Compare with Makani M5, at only 5MW in the same airspace and footprint. Mothra-tech is true SDO, most compatible with congested airspace. Makani is asked to inform GoogleX of this competitive reality.

- A rough consensus of AWES experts see 3-5000ft as the sweet-spot for the most power at reasonable altitude. The FAA 2000ft AWES ceiling is therefore a 1/2 scale evolutionary stage. Full scale is true gigawatt AWES unit scale.
 
- Mothra1 is a 1/20 scale version of this AWES unit model. Rod Read's models nicely evoke the megascale. Dr. Beaujean's concept and the KiteGen Carousel are comparable by airspace utilization. Mothra-techis proposed to be more practical at lower capital-cost (based on classic kiting). Some images of Mothra1-
 
http://utilmovement.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/the-best-photos-of-mothra-1-flying/.
 
- Please direct questions, corrections, and comments to AWES Forum.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9397 From: dobosg001 Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders
--- In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, dave santos <santos137@... Hi Dave,

Thank you for your very interesting mail.

Formerly, I have discussed the challenge with a Hungarian company, a producer of small planes. They have mentioned almost the same difficulties as you, and they also would accept the task of overcoming them. At the same time, their price-offer seemed to be acceptable, - if I had enough money :-) . Also, I discussed other details with other experts. Applying these data and those mined from the literature we made a preliminary study on technical as well as economic feasibility, calculating data like investment costs, income/revenue, cash-flow plan, payback period, manufacturing costs, costs of maintenance, etc. The comparison with conventional WPPs was favorable to our „IFO" (= Identified Flying Object, the name of our energy harvesting gliders) in almost all respects. Therefore, I am sure that I prefer an Untethered Flying Wind Power Plant not because of „wishful thinking".

Of course I know, the implementation would be not a simple task. It have to be a multidisciplinary project with contribution of experts of several professions. I think, I do neither overemphasize the problems nor underestimate the R&D work needed to implement a 20 MW net output power pilot plant by saying it to be about 4-6 years.

As we know, the airspeed of the DS-ing plane is a multitude (about 6-10 times) of the windspeed gradient that it utilizes. Since the propeller power depends on the 3rd power of wind velocy, a prop mounted on a DS-ing glider is capable of producing 216 – 1000 times greater power than a NOT DS-ing (e.g.: tethered) one. This effect makes untethered flying WPPs much more favorable than the conventional WPPs. The above mentioned proportion of the sizes is like a car and a toy-car. This difference in sizes also significantly alters the investment costs. The smaller size of our gliders allows the application of more expensive materials. But I don't think that the construction materials of a glider would cost 200-1000 times more than that of a conventional WPP. On the contrary! A 100 m (or even larger) diameter rotor of a conventional WPP is made of the same or similar composite materials as a sophisticated glider of today.

Obviously, tethered devices are not floating above one place but also are moving around the place of tethering. In what extent can tethered devices capitalized on the above mentioned beneficial effect of DS-ing by this movement?

You are right, energy storage and forwarding it to the ground is really a cardinal question. I already wrote about this topic in this forum. (Energy-Harvesting Gliders #9364) The importance and the size of this topic probably needs a separate discussion, - if there isn't one already. What about starting this discussion with your current mail and my answer? If so, I am going to continue with some irregular thughts on the topic.

At last, your IP model seems to be very interesting. Will you please inform me in detail? Who can participate? Are there any formalities (registration, etc.)? How do you protect your creative ideas against those who do not participate in the system, but use your inventions without any compensation, etc. ?

Just a notice to the last topic. Perhaps you know that we Hungarians have had the „opportunity" to try communism. It did not work....

Thank you for your kind welcome-words, and best regards,

Gábor
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9398 From: dave santos Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders
Thanks, Gabor, for your thoughts.
 
Did the experts you consulted account for the following negative factors?
 
- cheap market energy
- poor reliability of autonomous aircraft
- high capital cost of aerospace platforms
- safety liability, insurance cost, and cost of regulatory compliance
- critical load-limit cases of extreme DS
 
Why no small cheap proof-of-concept flying model? This is both the earliest validation of tetherless AWE, and the critical-path to scaling up.
 
Our new IP model is simply fairness to creators via social media according to civilized norms. The formal basis is Moral Rights under international treaty law (Berne Convention).
 
Re: "Hungarian Communism": My political education defined this era as Stalinism (an instance of Fascist Totalitarianism) in the guise of Communism. Under Stalinism, subjects were indoctrinated to call it "Communism". This predicts your legacy usage of the term. Closer technical examples of Marxist-Leninist Communism are the US Military and elite socialist welfare states like North Europe and Japan. I advocate non-Marxist (non-materialist, non-macroeconomic) Communism like family and friends :)
 
daveS
 
 
PS Everybody is reminded cut off previous messages in replies; especially to keep "daily digest" compilations compact; also to help conserve bandwidth and server space. Referencing selected quotes is good form.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9399 From: dave santos Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Third-Party Study of Makani Architecture
This work will help resolve engineering debate, especially regarding unit scalability-

 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9400 From: roderickjosephread Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: SpiralCone
One area I'm keen to research is the explosion profile of hydrogen in long link inflated bags with internal bleed feeds.

If many strands of these bubble bags (like bladder rack seaweed) were all encased in a cross-weave stiffening outer sheathing ...

Is it possible that the compression from the sheathing can use the other inflated bags to squash closed the bleed feed line enough to prevent calamity yet retain inflation?

I've got a pal who makes hydrogen generators, and a bunch of lay flat tubing which can be crimp sealed... fun weekend coming soon with flamin arrows I suspect.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9401 From: Dan Parker Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Re: SpiralCone
Rod,
 
             I think pursuers and mix ratios need to be
 respected.
 
                                                                              Dan'
 
The new light weight solar cells should be able to keep up with the leakage rates. wonder how much more leakage during hot daze?
 

To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
From: rod.read@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:40:38 +0000
Subject: [AWES] Re: SpiralCone

 
One area I'm keen to research is the explosion profile of hydrogen in long link inflated bags with internal bleed feeds.

If many strands of these bubble bags (like bladder rack seaweed) were all encased in a cross-weave stiffening outer sheathing ...

Is it possible that the compression from the sheathing can use the other inflated bags to squash closed the bleed feed line enough to prevent calamity yet retain inflation?

I've got a pal who makes hydrogen generators, and a bunch of lay flat tubing which can be crimp sealed... fun weekend coming soon with flamin arrows I suspect.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9402 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: Pause for a distinction on "tetherless AWE"
In FFAWE there is no tether to ground; in that sense "tetherless" seems to apply. 
But then look inside the family of FFAWE systems and find two distinct categories: 
1. FFAWES without tethers 
2. FFAWES with more than one wing, say two or more, that have a tether set between the separate wings. This category is "tetherless" in the sense that there is not tether to the ground; but this category uses tethers in the aloft free-flight system.  This category may have its wings dynamic soaring while using coupling tethers; or this category may have wings crosswinding while mining the wind-layer differentia.  

The oscillating free dirigible AWES as a one-body system may be a FFAWES without tether to the ground; it may store energy for uses aloft or/and send energy to the ground by transport via capsules or beam. 

The DS  glider that is a one-body system and it may be an AWES dedicated for aloft-only energy harvesting or for mixed aloft-and-send-to-exterior-receiver system. 

So, "tetherless" in one sense leave open the question of design for what is up there in free-flight where tethers may yet occur.   Absolute tetherless would reach the FFAWES that is tetherless in the first ground sense, as well as tetherless in final lofted free-flight design. 

Finally, we await full disclosure from such as Wayne German on FFAWES that tack judiciously to travel "to any point" on earth, if I have been reading his text correctly. 

~JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9403 From: Rod Read Date: 6/17/2013
Subject: The quenching gap
Not the difference between those countries with and without water....
but
A quenching gap is the aperture required to prevent flame propagation in a fuel air mix.
For hydrogen this gap is around 0.6mm at normal temperature & pressure.

So if you want to create a bleed line which will charge balloons spread out along its length... you need to be pumping your hydrogen through a pipe filled with material which has a tight weave of materials,,, gaps no larger than 0.6mm... it's small.

Is there a braid you can think of, or a rope, or a cable casing which could be used as an explosion safe hydrogen bleed line tether?

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9404 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Re: SpiralCone
Correcting link to the three files:
Be signed in online. 
Then go to Files
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9405 From: dave santos Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Two New Soft Kite-Arch Concepts
More AWE Encampment Concept Harvesting:
 
-------------------
 
"Beaded" Parafoils-  
 
Many stock parafoils are inherently suited as sub-units to make arches. Remove the vertical bridle and riser lines and instead run three new loadpath lines horizontally, attaching to all A, B, and D, line connection points. A quick easy clean arch of many parafoils set side-by-side results, rather like strung beads. Successive rows of parafol arches can be crosslinked for megascaling.
 
Want something new to hang under an arch? Try Arched Shunting Deltas:
 
Rig 3 equal length arch lines (loadpaths) with symmetrical diamond sails along them such that the top and bottom lines attach the top and bottom points of the diamond, and the middle line crosses all the diamonds mid-way. By shifting the top and bottom lines together relative to the middle line, the diamond sails flex asymmetrically into a delta form, with a port or starboard tack. A small balanced control input shifting the lines will cause the arch sails to tack back and forth in powerful oscillation.
 
CC BY NC SA
 




 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9406 From: dbmurr@ymail.com Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Re: Two New Soft Kite-Arch Concepts
DaveS,
Also see Walter Neumark's very large span pneumatic structure
http://flyinground.com/post/41770212039
Lift,
DaveB


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9407 From: dbmurr@ymail.com Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Re: Two New Soft Kite-Arch Concepts
Here is the link in rich-text... http://flyinground.com/post/41770212039

--- In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, "dbmurr@..." wrote:
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9408 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: SkyBow memories
http://weaveanything.blogspot.com/2012/03/skybow-thoughts.html

Jim Mallos and Tony Frame developed  skybow
"In the late 90's, Tony Frame and I developed a rotating ribbon arch kite that we called a skybow. I provided most of the engineering ideas, but none of it would have happened without Tony's driving encouragement and his part in the flight testing and design iterations. "

See article with photos. 

The Mallos and Frame skybow kites were of a type of flip-wing kite develped and marketed by Roy Mueller as "Mueller SkyBow" kite.  Rod Read has recently been doing some tests on SkyBow; Rod has been aiming to show mining of energy from the rotation of the long wing.   

tags: rotating ribbon kite, RRW, flip-wing ribbon kite, high-aspect ratio flip-wing kite with two anchors. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9409 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Spectacularly easy way to nurture an AWE service set
New, simpler way: 

Thank you!
~JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9410 From: dobosg001 Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders
Dave,

Because of these circumstances, it is not obvious which energy price has to be applied. On the one hand, it would be unwise to forgo easily obtainable government support and with it the faster pay off.Fortunately, we have a very experienced innovation adviser who said that "on the other hand", we must be aware of what technology is capable of and not forget that government subsidies may be modified,even canceled. We accepted his opinion, according to which we must calculate with half the lowest energy-price, if we want to enter the market. In 2011, this was about 0,025 $/kWh. Calculating with such low electricity-price, the pay off time is 15.3 years, an almost acceptable value. Under the same conditions, the pay off time of the reference (conventional) wind power plant is 74 (!) years. This means an outstanding competitiveness even with such a low electricity price.

The capital costs depend first of all on the manufacturer of the sophisticated components,since one has to pay for his knowledge (super profit). There is a commonly accepted price level of e.g. gliders, which contains this mentioned high profit. But it mainly pertains to small series. If we are going to need a significant number of gliders, it depends on our decision whether we will buy gliders one after another, or if we buy a small but experienced factory where we organize a serial production to fulfill our demand. This way, the high profit remains with us. Dare to dream great! (It costs the same as a small dream...   :p )

Safety, liability and insurance hang together. Our gliders are in the "unusual" or "unknown" category today. That is, the high costs of insurance today are because of subjective reasons. But military and continously rising civil applications diffuse these aversions. Of course, further technical development is also needed to enhance liability and safety. These developments are in progress in several companies and university- or academic research teams. But today, it is already possible to build systems from "off-the-shelf" components, possessing high-reliability by applying enough (e.g.: triple) redundancy. If the contact goes off the air with the ground station because of any reason, then an inbuilt algorithm will take over the control, ensuring the return of the planes to the base without any outside control. These systems tend to belong to the commercial category. By the way, this is also a problem today in the case of tethered devices working in high altitude. As far as I know, they have to work in an area restricted from air traffic. Presumably, this will be not the case with untethered flying devices. These are like other airplanes.

You have seen above that I do not hesitate to calculate with a very low price of energy, if rational arguments (e.g.: the investigation of the market) show that this low price is needed to enter the market as an outsider, as a new participant of this play. But I do not hesitate also NOT to accept a price being a result of a hysteria and ignorance, -if a realistic approach shows just the very opposite. By the way, we are not alone having this problem. UAV-industryis growing up very rapidly. I am convinced that this problem will be no more a problem when our IFOs will start to fly.

Why no small cheap proof-of-concept flying model?  Wea re going to do even now some experiments with a model glider. But to tell the truth, I never ask "why NO?" , but "Why?". In this case the main motivation is the stress implied in yours and others question, - besides I like playing with a model plane. (I think, most of the results of this flight are foreseeable.)

Dave,I have never thought that there will come a time when somebody from the "West" will take the side of communism against me. Well, I say that the simplified stereotypic thoughts of the cold war about "our" communism have to be forgotten. Indoctrination proceeded both sides! In fact the fall of the totalitarian Stalinism in Hungary proceeded a lot of time before the fall of the whole system. After the '70s, the "dictatorship" in Hungary could not be called a "totalitarian Stalinistic dictatorship". It was something of a benevolent and viable system, ensuring much higher social safety than today. The price of it was a lower standard of living and the predominance of collective rights(e.g.: right to work, -there was no unemployment!) instead of personal rights (e.g.:free-enterprise). Being "gray", that is, not rising above the crowd was more rewarding than doing so. And this was the reason why the system fell. It was not competitive, it did not motivate people to do their best.And this is what I'm talking about when I say that communism did not work for us. Well, I like the communism that you imagine. But I am afraid that it cannot be realized outside of one's family. (Perhaps without any people...  :) )

Lift!

Gabor

PS.: I hope, the formal criteria of my script is already OK. If not, I ask your kind help by noticing it in a private message. Thanks!

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9411 From: Bob Stuart Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Energy-Harvesting Gliders
I don't think you will find unusually high profits in the aircraft industry.  One reason for the high cost of flight is that it is estimated that the weight of a certified aircraft is the same as the weight of the papers documenting its construction.  While high-speed flight does good things for energy density, getting us back to the territory made familiar by internal combustion, it also requires very expensive, lightweight construction techniques.  It is tempting to use conventional approaches to wind power engineering, but it is a very different problem.  Efficiency is not achieved by extracting most of the energy from a small volume of air, as if it were expensive fuel, but by accessing as much air as possible, at an acceptable efficiency.  

A rough rule of thumb is that enclosed space in a boat costs ten times as much as in a building on land, and in an aircraft, it is up another order of magnitude.  For decades, people tried to win the Kremer prize by using advanced glider technology.  It was finally won by the "old fashioned" trick of using guy wires.  Their parasitic drag was worth it for the reduction in weight for the wing area.  Similarly, the drag of kite lines is found acceptable for parafoil speeds.  

Bob Stuart

On 19-Jun-13, at 8:13 AM, dobosg001 wrote:


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9412 From: dave santos Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Walter Neumark's Arches ///Re: [AWES] Re: Two New Soft Kite-Arch Co
Thanks DaveB,
 
Walter Neumark is a key figure in parafoil development, and his kite arches definite important precursors to Mothra-tech. The more such noble sources emerge, the less fringy current megascale arch ideas will seem.
 
I share a connection with Walter, in that we were both of the small-world (back in the '70's) that looked to Dan Poynter as the technical evangelist of paragliding as it emerged from skydiving. Walter's historic first foil parachute was so big, it might as well be considered a paraglider (sink rate of a PG is 1/4 that of a normal parachute),
 
daveS
 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9413 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: June 2013 by AweCrosswind
File:Scheme of crosswind kite power system types.png
File:Crosswind kite power station with fast motion transfer having two wings offshore.jpg

AWECrosswind  wrote: 
"Crosswind kite power with fast motion transfer is considered the most cost efficient means of producing electrical energy. This is an artist's impression of an offshore system wrote: "
And: "Notice the low speed of tether reel out, shown by vector"

And: "Crosswind kite power station with fast motion transfer"

================================================
The above are some wiki entries by "AWECrosswind" person in June 2013.   

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9414 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES
Google wants to give Internet to entire world by using LTA to send signal (low energy) to earth. 


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9416 From: Doug Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES
Yup the Google balloon idea is all over the news.
How long could we go on this list without mentioning it?
Ever notice we talk about everthing under the sun here?
Almost like we WISH there WAS AWE so we COULD talk about it,
But since there is no AWECS, we have to find other things to talk about.
I would hereby like to "WELCOME SERGEI BRIN" to the world of playing with helium-filled balloons, and to world of the wireless internet! (I hope he writes back) :)


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9417 From: Doug Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Makani-style future Airplane?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9418 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES
So happy for your prose, Doug.  Best deep laugh in 36 hours; thanks!

However, there are many points in the Loon site that does tease forwarding of several AWES: 

 Notice the illustration and comment on using upper wind layers of different directions and speeds to get around up there. This is just a tease for matured FFAWE that use wind differential energy mining and solar energy mining for smart soaring to positions desired. Going for Ever-Ups, there will one day be near-permanent circulating oscillators up high ... beaming more than signal energy to fellow upper-riders and ground collectors.  The Loon Project is like a seed; the tree is later. 




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9419 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Swivels, slip rings, mining torque for works ?
COTS?   Life?  
Type?  Matching AWES use?  Inspection?  
Magnetic bearing?
Ball-bearng?
Consider full through-put for full loop rather than ending at anchors. 
Consider direction changes


Type of work?  
Electricity production directly?
Drilling teeth?
Sawing? 
Grinding?
Pumping?
Advertising?
Celebration embellishment?
Tumbling gems?
Fluid mixing?
Noise making?
Full-illuminated wing for area illumination at night?
Drilling?
Twisting fibers?
Charging flywheel?
? ? ?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9420 From: dave santos Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES
Doug,
 
The Google Loon LTA is a real-world self-powered stratellite experiment and thus a valid AWE topic.
 
From the FAQ-
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9421 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Airbrone Solar Energy (correction)
Whoops, JoeF is more exact, in defining the Google Loon stratellite's  wind current guidance as its AWE aspect. Of course the solar aspect is not wind, but Airborne Solar Energy, which we do sometimes discuss, owing to similarities and affinities to AWES.
 
A trick question is whether airborne solar is more like AWE than a turbine on a pole is (whether the aviation reality dominates).
 



 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9422 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Shunting Diamond Sail passes Geometric Confirmation
A small matched pair of the newly discovered diamond sails were set in a hoop and held in a light breeze. It was observed that the sails collectively billowed into the canonical delta kite form in either shunt direction, by a single control-line input. The breeze was too light to excite the wings into a predicted aeroelastic self-oscillation feature.
 
Shunting is a natural basis for crosswind power between crosswind anchors. String-net "tilings" of shunting wings with co-heddled centerlines are foreseen. The Shunting Diamond single-skin soft-kite concept seems suited to megascale.
 
AWE Encampment follow-on experiments and media pending..
 
CC BY NC SA
 




 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9423 From: Doug Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Signal (low energy) with big effect from AWES
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9424 From: Doug Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Airbrone Solar Energy (correction)
Yeahhhhhhh, this is good stuff. Solar panels on a balloon is now a form of wind energy. Sure Dave S. :) Anything to avoid the issue of actually DOING AWE, right?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9426 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Correcting Doug //Re: [AWES] Re: Airbrone Solar Energy (correction)
Doug,
 
Joe was right to start the balloon topic, and you are mistaken to piss on it. Make a proper contribution, if you can, rather than complain over the sincere efforts of others.
 
You were too late to make the point that solar is not wind, but need reminding that Airborne Energy in any form is fair game, including solar. Its your tragic blind spot to not to be able to see aviation as a fundamental AWE design driver. So AWE is taking off without you. Your peculiar impression that there is no progress is delusional.
 
No one on this list sinks to your level of  trollish and infantile posts, with no technical content. Try starting a new list for such posts, and see if anybody joins :)
 
daveS
 
 
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9428 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: FAA Aeroelasticity Tutorial
Aeroelasticity is a key aspect of aviation design, including AWES. Jumbo aerobatic kiteplanes are especially challenged to control destructive aeroelastic flutter within severe mass constraints. Other AWE concepts even seek to exploit aeroelasticity.
 
The link below is an FAA derived tutorial on aeroelastic flutter in airframes, and gives a good overview of mature engineering methods. This body of knowledge informs our quest to extract energy from flow, from a reversed perspective (our desired "dynamic-stability" oscillations are "unstable" states to normal aircraft seeking to avoid them. Besides airframe flutter, there are other self-excited oscillatory flight dynamics to review in separate topic threads.
 
Flutter is defined in the tutorial as an energy extraction mode-
 
"An unstable, self-excited structural
oscillation at a definite frequency
where energy is extracted from the
airstream by the motion of the
structure..."
 
http://www.keybridgeti.com/videotraining/manualdl/25803_Flutter_and_Aeroelastic_Stability.PDF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9430 From: dave santos Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: More Flight Modes of interest to AWES Design
 
Aeroelastic Flutter in airframes (see previous post) is just one flight mode of interest to broad AWES theory. Other common modes merit consideration. Any of them are a logical basis for engineered energy extraction, but which are best is an open study.
 
Fundamental modes are tunable "basins-of-attraction", under dynamical systems physics. The aircraft is a complex harmonic system and its usually suppressed modes are commonly superposed, with hidden non-linear effects emerging probabilistically, according to engineering trade-offs. A helpful explanation of reversed dynamical semantics of related engineering fields is that perception of "stability" depends on viewpoint, under Galilean relativity.
 
These are the fundamental dynamic-stability modes as currently defined in aeronautics-
 
Longitudinal (pitch) Modes-

Short Period Pitch Oscillation (SSPO); seen in biological flapping wings and flip-kites

Long period Phugoid Mode; exploited by "bounding" bird flight


Lateral and Axial Modes-

Dutch-Roll; passive dynamically-stable mode ideal for kite figure-of-eights.

Spiral Instability; the basis for auto-gyro operation


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Reference Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_dynamics_(fixed-wing_aircraft)
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9431 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: More Flight Modes of interest to AWES Design
Link support: 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9432 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: More Flight Modes of interest to AWES Design
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9433 From: Rod Read (Google Drive) Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: cloudballoon.gif (airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com)
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9434 From: David Lang Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: More Flight Modes of interest to AWES Design

On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:18 PM, dave santos <santos137@yahoo.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 9435 From: Joe Faust Date: 6/22/2013
Subject: Aerodynamics of a rigid curved kite wing by ...
Paper: 

Aerodynamics of a rigid curved kite wing
Comments: 13 pages, 13 figures. Submitted to "Renewable Energy"
Subjects: Fluid Dynamics (physics.flu-dyn)

PDF copy:   http://arxiv.org/pdf/1306.4148.pdf 
 "A preliminary numerical study on the aerodynamics of a kite wing for high altitude wind power generators is proposed."