Bob, Flying
from a pole is an ancient trick & it works for SkySails. Look for a
kite with a nose connection (like maybe colorsinmotion.de parafoil
pilot). The high-pull easy-retract requirement is tough; maybe a
varidrogue under the pilot? David Gomberg might have the kite for you, the biggest selection at low prices with lots of information. Search =
From:
Bob Stuart <bobstuart@sasktel.net
To:
<AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [AWECS] Experimenter's Kite (self-relaunch)
Sent:
Tue, Jun 21, 2011 6:31:13 AM
Thanks, Dave.
To
refine my query, I'm looking for an inexpensive but rugged commercial
kite of a size intended for general amusement, probably with two lines.
Eventually, I want something that will self-launch off a pole,
and haul up more, and probably larger elements. I'd like to be
able to get a large range of force between reel-out and reel-in.
Bob
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3766 |
From: Grant Calverley |
Date: 6/21/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Experimenter's Kite (self-relaunch) |
Hi Bob,
I have used parafoil kites like this one:
It was a different brand and only cost about $10 a kite it might be still out there on the internet.
I took twelve and flew them as a train with the main line threaded
through a reinforced hole in the fabric about 2 to 3" back
from the leading edge. They flew great as a
train. They would "self launch" but generally when
I did not want them to. I ended up using sand bags to
organize the lines on the ground and weigh them down, then would run
down the line tossing the sand bags off. it could be a bit
crazy. Never really worked out that part satisfactorily.
I was working on methods of depowering. At first I tried
folding the kites by having the side bridles release (attached to a
second tether). That did not work as the air pressure in the foil
is so great the side bridles are not needed at all in stiff winds.
What worked with these kites is to attach a second line to the
center of the trailing edge of the kite and pull it down just
enough to invert the kite upside down. This squeezes the air out of the
foil like a tube of toothpaste. It actually flies stable inverted
on these two tethers with some rigging
experimentation. (ends up looking a bit like a folded up bat
kite) So the result is a old style laddermill with two line
control. It flies up with lots of lift and comes down in
control with very little lift. When the tether attached to
the rear is released they instantly pop back into shape and
pull hard. I think the very top kite of the twelve I did not
invert so as to work a bit like a pilot.
This simple system works but is strictly a down wind device
with no cross wind power boost. This could be developed into a
working system but I was having trouble seeing how it could really
scale in a reasonable fashion.
Grant Calverley
360-378-6186
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3767 |
From: Muzhichkov |
Date: 6/21/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Pumping water to higher heights |
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Hi Joe,
some time befor I also looked for a good capacitor for AW energy.
And simple calculation shows that water is very bad for this purpose.
In details: if you put your pool in a pit 5 m depth you become 10000 l
* 9,8 m/c2 * 5 m = 490 kJ. Efficiency of water generator let say 0,5.
So, you will have just 60Wt per hour. Just one bulb that will light
just one hour.
It's not enough even for village. May be just like water tower.
Alex
awenergy.ru
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3768 |
From: dave santos |
Date: 6/22/2011 |
| Subject: Walter Diem's Lost Golden Age of "Wetterdrachen" (Weather Kites) |
A
great in-person contact from Fano2011 was Walter Diem, the leading
German kite historian, who was sellling his scholarly books from the
back of his car. His latest volume (2010) is titled Wetterdrachen and
chronicles almost 300yrs of meteorological research with kites.
One
instantly grasps from this book how little most of us know about how
the kite served as a hugely popular and quite widespread scientific
platform from just before the birth of powered aviation and persisted
in major use up to about 1930. These last four decades constitute a
golden age of large kites reaching astounding altitudes with large
payloads. Meteorological "drachenstations" were established in
countries worldwide & expeditions took technical kites to the ends
of the earth.
This overlooked history is full of prior art and
operational excellence. For example, we can see in Skysails' mast
launch method specific antecedents in ship based kite operations (the
kiteship Skagerak of 1906)), which Skysails likely adopted from
Walter's documentation or other orginal German source. Similarly we see
a deep connection with KiteGen's "cuppola" kitehouse design and the
many classic windenhaus designs shown in the book. One photo is an old
Flemish "Vliegerstation" surrounded by bikes (no cars), which shows how
deep that thriving bike culture is.
Walter's
books are gold mines of detailed information, as well as crash courses
in the German language. Fortunately for most of us the hundreds of
historic photos tell a vivid story. Drachen Foundation was a key
resource for this major work. Lets hope Walter's work is translated
soon.
& |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3769 |
From: Doug |
Date: 6/23/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Pumping water to higher heights |
Alex:
Your calculations show pumped hydro would not be economical? I'm puzzled at your statement.
Pumped hydro is commonly practiced and is considered the most
cost-effective method of storing energy, by actual working utilities,
in the real world, using a hydroelectric facility with a dam and
turbines.
My impression today: The discussions here do not constitute an
industry, but instead represent the idle musings of those without even
current knowledge of the actual electric power industry, as it actually
exists.
Creating a better method of storing energy - ah yes it's "only" the
holy grail of the energy industry, discussed here as though it is just
one more easily-accomplished minor detail of systems that will be up
and running as soon as anyone can iron out that, as well as a few
other, minor, pesky, trivial little details... oh like how to extract
the power in the first place, for example.
I could only imagine if the real world of wind energy proceeded on this
basis. Imagine General Electric talking about all kinds of reeling in
and out cables, and whether cloth sails are better than fiberglass
blades, crosswind travel versus downwind/upwind cycles, talking about
the long-sought better method of energy storage as some minor hurdle
(Ya know, the reason a Tesla roadster costs 120k?), while they continue
to flail for year after year with misguided discussions of contraptions
proven not to work thousands of years ago, never producing a single
useful product or useful Watt, any time, any place, for any use, for
any customer...
Imagine still further that this after years of talk talk talking
investors into putting up tens of millions of dollars with the promise
of a breakthrough.
Imagine even still further, with the perfect storm of "global warming"
(I got a bridge to sell you). "Peak Oil" (Thank God for fracking),
pervasive air pollution, despite all the official pronouncements from
on high, the powers-that-be still resist trying new designs and methods
in any form and leave it all to us to try new things while they spend
the millions and issue the press releases promising breakthroughs while
none are even being tried.
You can't make this stuff up!!! :)))
Doug Selsam
http://www.selsam.com
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3770 |
From: Darin Selby |
Date: 6/23/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Pumping water to higher heights |
You are one funny guy. That was hilarious!
To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com From: doug@selsam.com Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:09:01 +0000 Subject: [AWECS] Re: Pumping water to higher heights
Alex:
Your calculations show pumped hydro would not be economical? I'm puzzled at your statement.
Pumped hydro is commonly practiced and is considered the most
cost-effective method of storing energy, by actual working utilities,
in the real world, using a hydroelectric facility with a dam and
turbines.
My impression today: The discussions here do not constitute an
industry, but instead represent the idle musings of those without even
current knowledge of the actual electric power industry, as it actually
exists.
Creating a better method of storing energy - ah yes it's "only" the
holy grail of the energy industry, discussed here as though it is just
one more easily-accomplished minor detail of systems that will be up
and running as soon as anyone can iron out that, as well as a few
other, minor, pesky, trivial little details... oh like how to extract
the power in the first place, for example.
I could only imagine if the real world of wind energy proceeded on this
basis. Imagine General Electric talking about all kinds of reeling in
and out cables, and whether cloth sails are better than fiberglass
blades, crosswind travel versus downwind/upwind cycles, talking about
the long-sought better method of energy storage as some minor hurdle
(Ya know, the reason a Tesla roadster costs 120k?), while they continue
to flail for year after year with misguided discussions of contraptions
proven not to work thousands of years ago, never producing a single
useful product or useful Watt, any time, any place, for any use, for
any customer...
Imagine still further that this after years of talk talk talking
investors into putting up tens of millions of dollars with the promise
of a breakthrough.
Imagine even still further, with the perfect storm of "global warming"
(I got a bridge to sell you). "Peak Oil" (Thank God for fracking),
pervasive air pollution, despite all the official pronouncements from
on high, the powers-that-be still resist trying new designs and methods
in any form and leave it all to us to try new things while they spend
the millions and issue the press releases promising breakthroughs while
none are even being tried.
You can't make this stuff up!!! :)))
Doug Selsam
http://www.selsam.com
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3771 |
From: dave santos |
Date: 6/24/2011 |
| Subject: More Fano Notes |
Another
of the many good AWE connections made at Fano was Kelvin Stark, a
"semi-retired" British mechanical engineer who has worked in many areas
of aerospace, including stints with AIrbus and Boeing (a rare
combination). Kelvin now owns the pro kite-sport shop at Fano & is
ideally qualified as an AWE analist. We had productive conversations on
many aspects of Kite Energy and Kevin offers us his support for
Fano-based training & experimental operations.
Before Fano,
Reinhart had recommended a fellow Belgian, Ivo Van Olmen, as a good
contact, and he was very easy to find under his many self-made kite
creations. Ivo is one of those rare folks who can do anything with
their hands, from metal and mechanical work to sewing giant kites. We
(the "Italian Delagation") got to discuss AWE and fly kites at length
with Ivo and his "chip-off-the-old-block" son and both of them were
clearly excited about the obvious (to them) potential of kites to make
power. The looping parafoil under a pilot kite was a particular topic,
as it is a method that leverages COTS power and pilot kite
availability. The Van Olmens are eager to experiment with kite energy.
Another
festival highlight was the crazy German "Out Off Space" (sic) kite
collective as they wallowed in the weird beach slime that formed during
rain squalls in getting their large custom creations aloft. The
language barrier was easily broken by humor and kites.
Some
overall observations are that Morse sleds are more popular in EU,
arches are rare, a new giant ribbon tether much as JoeF has drawn is a
new sensation, and line-laundry under lifters is an almost universal
method. Pretty much every type of sport and fun kite was present, a
great intro into classic kiting.
-------------------------
Note-
The tablet computer i am using during travel strips the ampersands from
my posts for some obscure reason. Thus errors are created, for example
"Operational Research AND Human Factors" was recently intended, not the
two ideas run together.
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3772 |
From: Muzhichkov |
Date: 6/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Pumping water to higher heights |
|
Doug:
sorry, for me is little bit hard to feel deeply your irony.
I just want say that a pool is too small for even personal energy
storage. Of cause, big dam can starage a lot enargy. For me was also
important not only idol musings. That because I told about rael figures.
Alex
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3773 |
From: DavidC |
Date: 6/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Pumping water to higher heights |
|
I'm with you, Alex. I found your post
illuminating, not did I mistake your human-scale calculations as
ignorance of broader market practices. Perhaps the irony is deeply
embedded in Doug's response.
In the US there is state-by-state legislative effort and some success
at on-site net metering, permitting power to be fed to the grid nearest
the production point. This means, for example, that you can own a wind
resource far away and obtain metering income without having to run a
line across other people's property. New York State, for instance, just
passed such a law.
DavidC
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3774 |
From: dave santos |
Date: 6/24/2011 |
| Subject: Weird Kite Dream at Fano |
Perhaps
this dream was so uncanny because it happened at the Fano International
Kite Fliers Meeting. The island is a just a smear of sand in the North
Sea in squally twilight. The dream was set far away along the
Texas-Mexico border in a dusty sprawl of old cars and shanties. A
sudden excitement brought everyone outside. A white panel truck had
been hauled high into the sunset-lit blue by kites. The lines were
naturally invisible and the effect of levitation was beyond Magritte. I
ran about fretting over safety as a rusty sedan was hauled up. Soon
cars were going up all over the low valley. Then came a shout, "Look, a
Stairway to Heaven", which i knew to be the standard kite term for a
sort of rope bridge rigged up a kite tether. The stairway in the
distance was a trashy bricolage of rags and ropes and the people began
to climbit. Another stairway went up near me and a rush of happy
children rushed up it. I went over to it, and with some fear also began
to climb the soft steps, but the structure was firm. Then i awoke. |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3775 |
From: Muzhichkov |
Date: 6/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Pumping water to higher heights |
|
In Germany, by the way, this low is
already for a long time. And there is even bank loan programm to buy
solar elements, install it on roof and produce energy for own purpuse
and also transduce it in commone electric netz
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3776 |
From: SeattleDL@comcast.net |
Date: 6/24/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Weird Kite Dream at Fano |
DaveS,
You didn't make a stop at Amsterdam on the way to Fano did you :-)
DaveL
From: "dave santos" <santos137@yahoo.com
Perhaps
this dream was so uncanny because it happened at the Fano International
Kite Fliers Meeting. The island is a just a smear of sand in the North
Sea in squally twilight. The dream was set far away along the
Texas-Mexico border in a dusty sprawl of old cars and shanties. A
sudden excitement brought everyone outside. A white panel truck had
been hauled high into the sunset-lit blue by kites. The lines were
naturally invisible and the effect of levitation was beyond Magritte. I
ran about fretting over safety as a rusty sedan was hauled up. Soon
cars were going up all over the low valley. Then came a shout, "Look, a
Stairway to Heaven", which i knew to be the standard kite term for a
sort of rope bridge rigged up a kite tether. The stairway in the
distance was a trashy bricolage of rags and ropes and the people began
to climbit. Another stairway went up near me and a rush of happy
children rushed up it. I went over to it, and with some fear also began
to climb the soft steps, but the structure was firm. Then i awoke. |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3777 |
From: dave santos |
Date: 6/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Weird Kite Dream at Fano |
DaveL
Yes,
i did fly into Amsterdam a month ago, but only because (on a "hippy"
standby-ticket) thats where the most fliers enter the continent, wait,
that doesn't sound quite right. Actually the science is that "whacky
tabaccy" suppresses sleeping dreams while increasing the waking
creative associative function, and the two effects are probably linked.
But
here is a weirder fact- The "Stairway to Heaven" is clearly Jacob's
Ladder as described in Genesis (Blake depicts it as a logrythmic spiral
stair). When Jacob awoke from his dream he named the place from where
the "ladder" sprung, "Bethel". Now ask the top kiters of the world who
the greatest flyer of all is and Ray Bethell will top-the-list. What
are the odds of that? He's like 90yrs old and flies three kites at once
in a complex ballet, with no real rivals. I once tried to be the first
kite in the sky at WSIKF but Ray was already on the beach, only the two
of us, so i got a personal lesson from the Maestro in set-up, launch,
and aerobatics.
Allow
me to note that Ray's constant kites are three Kestrels made by my old
friend Joel Sholtz, the Texas Kite King, & that these kites
represent a data point of the upper end of kite lifespan by flight
hours, but like Ray, with no sign of imminent demise,
daveS |
From:
SeattleDL@comcast.net <SeattleDL@comcast.net
To:
<AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
AWE <airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [AWECS] Weird Kite Dream at Fano
Sent:
Sat, Jun 25, 2011 12:03:23 AM
DaveS,
You didn't make a stop at Amsterdam on the way to Fano did you :-)
DaveL
From: "dave santos" <santos137@yahoo.com
Perhaps
this dream was so uncanny because it happened at the Fano International
Kite Fliers Meeting. The island is a just a smear of sand in the North
Sea in squally twilight. The dream was set far away along the
Texas-Mexico border in a dusty sprawl of old cars and shanties. A
sudden excitement brought everyone outside. A white panel truck had
been hauled high into the sunset-lit blue by kites. The lines were
naturally invisible and the effect of levitation was beyond Magritte. I
ran about fretting over safety as a rusty sedan was hauled up. Soon
cars were going up all over the low valley. Then came a shout, "Look, a
Stairway to Heaven", which i knew to be the standard kite term for a
sort of rope bridge rigged up a kite tether. The stairway in the
distance was a trashy bricolage of rags and ropes and the people began
to climbit. Another stairway went up near me and a rush of happy
children rushed up it. I went over to it, and with some fear also began
to climb the soft steps, but the structure was firm. Then i awoke. |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3778 |
From: SeattleDL@comcast.net |
Date: 6/25/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Weird Kite Dream at Fano |
DaveS
LOL....ah.... the subterfuge of the humorous universe in which we live.
DaveL
From: "dave santos" <santos137@yahoo.com
DaveL
Yes,
i did fly into Amsterdam a month ago, but only because (on a "hippy"
standby-ticket) thats where the most fliers enter the continent, wait,
that doesn't sound quite right. Actually the science is that "whacky
tabaccy" suppresses sleeping dreams while increasing the waking
creative associative function, and the two effects are probably linked.
But
here is a weirder fact- The "Stairway to Heaven" is clearly Jacob's
Ladder as described in Genesis (Blake depicts it as a logrythmic spiral
stair). When Jacob awoke from his dream he named the place from where
the "ladder" sprung, "Bethel". Now ask the top kiters of the world who
the greatest flyer of all is and Ray Bethell will top-the-list. What
are the odds of that? He's like 90yrs old and flies three kites at once
in a complex ballet, with no real rivals. I once tried to be the first
kite in the sky at WSIKF but Ray was already on the beach, only the two
of us, so i got a personal lesson from the Maestro in set-up, launch,
and aerobatics.
Allow
me to note that Ray's constant kites are three Kestrels made by my old
friend Joel Sholtz, the Texas Kite King, that these kites represent a
data point of the upper end of kite lifespan by flight hours, but like
Ray, with no sign of imminent demise,
daveS |
From:
SeattleDL@comcast.net <SeattleDL@comcast.net
To:
<AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
AWE <airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [AWECS] Weird Kite Dream at Fano
Sent:
Sat, Jun 25, 2011 12:03:23 AM
DaveS,
You didn't make a stop at Amsterdam on the way to Fano did you :-)
DaveL
From: "dave santos" <santos137@yahoo.com
Perhaps
this dream was so uncanny because it happened at the Fano International
Kite Fliers Meeting. The island is a just a smear of sand in the North
Sea in squally twilight. The dream was set far away along the
Texas-Mexico border in a dusty sprawl of old cars and shanties. A
sudden excitement brought everyone outside. A white panel truck had
been hauled high into the sunset-lit blue by kites. The lines were
naturally invisible and the effect of levitation was beyond Magritte. I
ran about fretting over safety as a rusty sedan was hauled up. Soon
cars were going up all over the low valley. Then came a shout, "Look, a
Stairway to Heaven", which i knew to be the standard kite term for a
sort of rope bridge rigged up a kite tether. The stairway in the
distance was a trashy bricolage of rags and ropes and the people began
to climbit. Another stairway went up near me and a rush of happy
children rushed up it. I went over to it, and with some fear also began
to climb the soft steps, but the structure was firm. Then i awoke. |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3779 |
From: dave santos |
Date: 6/26/2011 |
| Subject: Judging AWE Schemes- From ARPA-E to Wall Street |
Massive
investment awaits any clear winner in the conceptual race to define
effective AWE. The classic early methods of determining winning
technology are analysis and testing. Market acceptance is the last step
in the innovation cycle. Both government and the private sector have
legions of analists in existing tech sectors, but in AWE we happen to
be the only pool of (semi-qualified) experts.
So its up to us to
apply the highest standards of testing and analysis as best we can.
Transparency and independence are the key principles to observe. When
there is a conflict-of-interest, like a profit motive or "inventor's
bias", a professional discloses it up-front. Every effort must be made
to secure third-party validation of technical opinion. Properly done,
the confidence created frees a vast pool of investment capital. Key
issues like insurability are also eased.
The goal of an ARPA-E AWE contest
is essentially the same as the investment requirement for the best
information. We have been given a golden opportunity to design a
contest so as to best meet the requirements of scientific and
engineering truth. We can design to cancel out capitalization-bias and
other biases. Sound contest results will drive early investment until a
mature community of AWE qualified analists develops.
If you
wonder why there is so little message traffic lately regarding the
ARPA-E Contest design, its partly because a small comittee is
conducting back-channel negociations on our behalf with the ARPA-E
counsel. Lets wish them well, but its a risky play given the reasons
set forth above. Stated rationales for the current strategy range from
a claim of collective apathy to cynical presumption of flawed
self-serving public officials. A preference for ARPA-E subsidized
private entries is being pushed. In the present dynamic i am even
uncertain of the inclusion status of my pet contest issue, a central
funded role for Academia in the third-party validator role.
Please
step forward promptly if you have constructive input for the ARPA-E
challenge. Lets make sure this early opportunity does not slip away
because we failed to meet the highest standards imaginable. For the
long haul consider the niche opportunity to provide independent
high-quality AWE investment advice to the capital markets. |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3780 |
From: Robert Copcutt |
Date: 6/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Judging AWE Schemes- From ARPA-E to Wall Street |
|
Dave,
Is this ARPA-E challenge going to be US centric, or is it going to be
genuinely open to world-wide participation?
Robert.
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3781 |
From: Doug |
Date: 6/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Judging AWE Schemes- From ARPA-E to Wall Street |
|
Your term "analist", below, is quite pregnant with meaning.
I guess that might describe someone mired in endless inconsequential
details while they miss the main point? As apposed to an analyst...
(which is already bad enough!)
:)
Doug S.
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3782 |
From: dave santos |
Date: 6/26/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Judging AWE Schemes- From ARPA-E to Wall Street |
Roger,
As
a "without borders" community, we need to strongly defend international
particiaption, as the AWE technical mission and even the ARPA-E mission
transcends petty nationalism. As we were tasked with properly designing
a contest, international participation is a no-brainer.
We do
know that DOE often contracts internationally and that, whatever policy
is imposed, a stategic partnership with a US player is workable for an
overseas participant. Feel free to affiliate within KiteLab Group,
which will be an open collection of varied AWE concepts.
Thanks to Doug for the analist spelling lesson, the tablet loaned to me does not support spell-check,
daveS |
From:
Doug <doug@selsam.com
To:
<AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[AWECS] Re: Judging AWE Schemes- From ARPA-E to Wall Street
Sent:
Sun, Jun 26, 2011 3:18:45 PM
Your term "analist", below, is quite pregnant with meaning.
I guess that might describe someone mired in endless inconsequential
details while they miss the main point? As apposed to an analyst...
(which is already bad enough!)
:)
Doug S.
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3783 |
From: Ugo Bardi |
Date: 6/27/2011 |
| Subject: Fwd: URGENT - EC UAS Panel - 1st Workshop - Invitation to contribute |
Dear Colleagues,
I am passing to you a message that I recently received from UVS
international (Unmanned Vehicle Systems). Apparently, the European
Commission is ponderously moving towards some kind of airspace
regulation that should help civilian UAS (unmanned aerial systems)
to move and operate without too much bureaucratic hassle.
The idea seems to be good, apart from the fact that bureaucrats
usually tend to complicate things rather than the opposite. But,
there is a problem for the AWE community. Give a look to the annex 3
(Anx3_Non-Military....). It lists uses of civilian UAS systems. Some
are a bit ominous ("hostile protest control") but the point is that
there is no such a thing in the list as UAS for the production of
energy. That could lead AWE systems to move in a legislative vacuum
if the EC keeps working ignoring it.
I don't know who should take the initiative to alert the commission
that - hey! - you guys forgot about us!!! Maybe I could do it
personally, as I am somewhat acquainted with the arcane procedures
inside that esoteric body that goes under the name of "EC". Maybe
someone even better acquainted than me could do that. But, before
doing anything, I would like to hear your opinion on this matter.
UB
-------- Original Message --------
From : UVS International
86 rue Michel
Ange
75016 Paris
France
Tel.: 33-1-46.51.88.65
Fax: 33-1-46.51.05.22
www.uvs-international.org
www.uvs-info.com
pvb@uvs-international.org
& pvb@uvs-info.com
To: UVS
International Members &
European UAS Community
Announcement
of the creation of the European Commission’s UAS Panel
On 23 June 2011,
Daniel Calleja, European Commission DG Enterprise, officially
announced the
creation of the EC UAS Panel at the Paris Air Show, in the
presence of EC and
industry representatives.
The
objective of the EC
UAS Panel is to produce a concise policy document, describing
the current
competitive situation for UAS globally, as well as the key
challenges and
obstacles, which need to be addressed to ensure their
development and operation
in Europe. It should aim at providing concrete recommendations
to policy-makers
on how obstacles would need to be removed to further develop
the market for UAS
in Europe. It is therefore important that the two elements,
strategy and
policy, are brought together. The paper will take both, the
civil and military
UAS aspects of UAS development and regulatory gaps into
account. Furthermore,
it will cover the whole market of UAS, from light UAS to HALE.
The
first workshop in a
series of five will take place at the EUROCONTROL premises in
Brussels, Belgium
on 12 July 2011. At this workshop, the economic importance of
and the market
opportunities for UAS will be highlighted. In particular the
structure of the
UAS industrial sector, the current market, Europe’s
competitive
situation, the market prospects and the main applications and
users will be
explained. In addition, the development of UAS in Europe will
be discussed. The
«chef de file» responsible for the organization of the inputs
for this event is
Peter van Blyenburgh, UVS International (with the support of
industry
representatives, the UK Police & FRONTEX).
See
attachment: EC UAS Panel –
Background &
Objectives & Announcement
Additional
information: See http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/aerospace/uas/index_en.htm
Announcement
of the 1st
EC UAS Panel Workshop
Title:
Workshop
on UAS Uses, the European UAS Industry and Market Issues
Content: Description of
the economic importance and market opportunities for UAS. In
particular:
-
Structure of the UAS industry sector
-
Current UAS market (incl. the competitive situation);
-
UAS market prospects;
-
Main UAS applications and users;
-
Identification of strengths,
weaknesses,
opportunities and threats to UAS development in Europe.
This workshop
will take place a follows:
Venue: EUROCONTROL
96 rue de la
Fusée, BE-1130 Brussels, Belgium
Date: 12
July 2011
Timing:
Morning:
09.30-12.30 – 1st part of the Workshop
Meeting
access: Public (up to room capacity)
Participants: EC
UAS Panel + Invited Experts + Interested Stakeholders (accepted by the
European Commission)
Lunch:
12.30-14.30 - EUROCONTROL cafeteria
Afternoon:
14.30-17.00 – 2nd
part of the Workshop
Meeting
access: Restricted
Participants:
EC UAS Panel (only)
Note
The “chef de
file” (organizer) of this
workshop is: Peter van Blyenburgh.
Commission in
the following text should be understood
as: Caterine Ebah-Moussa.
Support
Documents / Discussion Papers
A
discussion paper will be prepared by the “chef de file” and
the
interested stakeholders together with the Commission services
on the basis of
the written contributions received.
The
“chef de file” has defined a number of documents that will be
summarized in a discussion paper. The description of these
documents can be
found in the attached Annex 1 – Support
Documents.
Contributions
for
these documents should be submitted by email (as MS-Word
attachments) to the “chef de
file” before 2 July 2011.
The
“chef de file” will submit a discussion paper summarizing the
documents received to the Commission on 4 July 2011.
The
Commission will either post these documents on
their restricted
web site (access only for the EC UAS Panel members), or email
them out to the
EC UAS Panel members for their review.
These
reference documents will not be published, but will be shared
amongst the EC
UAS Panel members and will only serve to inform them.
Survey
on current & future non-military UAS operations in Europe
In
the attachment the following documents can be found:
Annex
2:
Non-military UAS Survey Explanation/Instructions;
Annex
3:
Non-military UAS Application References (produced in
collaboration
with Frontex & Kent Police) – Please use the indicated
references
when completing the reply forms;
Reply
Form 1:
Non-military UAS – Current Operations – Operator Perspective;
Reply
Form 2:
Non-military UAS – Future Operations – Potential Operator
Perspective;
Reply
Form 3:
Non-military UAS – Future Operations – Future Customer
Perspective.
The
European UAS community is kindly invited to:
-
complete the reply forms applicable to them and to return
these forms to the
“chef de file” prior to 2 July 2011;
-
if applicable, forward the attached annexes & reply forms
to potential
future customers for commercial flight services with UAS and
request them to
complete and return the relevant forms prior
to
2 July 2011;
-
if applicable, contact their current & potential
governmental (civil &
military) UAS customers possibly interested in the
mutualisation of UAS assets,
supply the attached annexes & reply forms to them and
request them to
complete and return the relevant forms prior
to
2 July 2011.
The
gathered feedback will be collated by the “chef de file” in an
executive summary, which will be supplied to the Commission on
4
July 2011.
The
Commission will either post this document on
their restricted
web site (access only for the EC UAS Panel members), or email
it out to the EC
UAS Panel members for their review.
Please
Note:
If it becomes apparent that the time to gather a
significant
number of replies is too short, a request will be made to the
European
Commission to extend the deadline to 31
August 2011.
Additional
Contributions
The European
UAS
community is invited to submit additional contributions, which
are relevant
to the workshop topic, for consideration as discussion papers.
Such
contributions can, for example, cover the following topics:
-
The current state of play;
-
The market opportunities and risks for UAS;
-
The importance of the UAS sector for the
economy;
-
A technology gap analysis;
-
Recommendation for actions
and
initiatives to be undertaken, describing their expected impact
and the
potential role of the Commission and other institutions and
stakeholders;
-
Questions to be discussed during the
workshop;
-
Business cases.
Such
contributions should be in English and be submitted by email
(as MS-Word
attachments) to the “chef de
file”
and the Commission prior to 2 July 2011.
Discussion
Papers
The
accepted discussion papers will be discussed in the public
meeting taking place
during morning of 12 July 2011.
After
the workshop, the discussion papers will be revised by the
“chef de
file” together with the Commission to take into account the
recommendations and conclusions gathered during the workshop.
The final paper
of the workshop will then serve as a basis for the final
Policy Paper.
Hearing
of Current/Future UAS Operators – Focused on Market
Opportunities
The
morning session of the workshop will include a hearing
consisting of 5 short
presentations (12 minutes); one in each of the following
categories:
a) Security-related
applications
b) Safety-related
applications
c) Scientific
&
Research-related applications
d) Contractor
Supplied
Flight Services
e) Military/Civil
Cooperation
– Mutualisation of UAS Assets
As
soon as the Commission has given its green light on the
selected speakers, it
will publish the hearing agenda on its web site: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/aerospace/uas/index_en.htm
Remarks:
Any
European expert
can make a proposal to give a presentation at the hearing.
Proposals for
presentations should consist of the following:
-
Title
of the presentation;
-
Abstract
of the presentation
(300 words maximum);
-
Name,
affiliation & contact
details (postal address, tel. nr & email address) of the
presenter.
The proposal
information should be supplied in an email attachment
(MS-Word) and sent to both:
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3784 |
From: dave santos |
Date: 6/27/2011 |
| Subject: Firing, Regulating, and Dousing Looping Foils |
Looping
tethered foils in synchrony can aggregate great power to a single
generator. Linked oscillators tend to naturally synch, but fine tuning
of frequency is desirable. A novel approach to setting frequency is to
modulate static tug by a pilot-lifter kite. More pull seeds up the
orbit, less pull slows.
Like many high performance WECS, looping
foil overspeed control and parking are desirable. A parafoil can be
started, slowed, or doused by a simple draw-line across its span (a
parafoil can also be run along a spar for stabilty). The conventional
tip spoiler can do the same job for a rigid AWE wing. A doused foil is
raised and lowered under a pilot-lifter kite.
coolIP |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3785 |
From: Pierre BENHAIEM |
Date: 6/27/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Fwd: URGENT - EC UAS Panel - 1st Workshop - Invitation to contri |
Pr.Ugo The annex 3
(Anx3_Non-Military....). shows that AWE has no legal existence as wind
energy as you say.I quickly try to see the closest fields or the fields
AWE (as prototype or effective wind energy) can concern:into
C-Scientific Research Applications:C8-Atmospheric monitoring;C9 Climate
monitoring;C20-Meteorological research;C29-UAS Sensor
research;C31-Other;into D-Contractor Supplied Flight Services:D34-Other. Maybe
if rules in C or D (according to the working altitude) are less heavy
the implementation of experimental AWECS would be easier in C or D
(according both the point of wiew of the player and the administration). Tests
on wind various speeds according to altitude,that for an implementation
of an AWECS can enter under C20-Meteorological research or
C8-Atmospheric monitoring.Or trials on automation systems can enter
under C29-UAS Sensor research.But it is not enough. Our President John could gather the elements of awe players and make a request for a classification with AWE. PierreB http://flygenkite.com |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3786 |
From: Hardensoft International Limited |
Date: 6/27/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Fwd: URGENT - EC UAS Panel - 1st Workshop - Invitation to contri |
Thanks, Pierre/Ugo. I will love for Ugo to please proceed as he deems best. Contributions from members could be incorporated as necessary. Incidentally,
I just had the privilege of meeting the EU Ambassador to Nigeria/West
Africa at a recent function here in Lagos-Nigeria and I look forward to
growing the relationship. If Ugo needs me to
pass some information through the Ambassador here, I will be glad to do
so but the July forum in Brussels will be best with some physical
representation from AWEIA. Our friends in Leuven having just hosted AWEC2011 should be informed of the Brussels meet for their support as necessary.
Thank you. John John Adeoye Oyebanji B.Sc. MCPN
Managing Consultant & CEO
Hardensoft International Limited
An ICT, Environmental Remediation & Renewable Energy Company 3rd Floor, 53 St. Finbarr's Road, Akoka-Yaba;
Lagos. Nigeria.
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3789 |
From: Pierre BENHAIEM |
Date: 6/27/2011 |
| Subject: Re: Fwd: URGENT - EC UAS Panel - 1st Workshop - Invitation to contri |
I try to clarify my precedent post. AWE has no legal existence as effective wind energy.However some prototypes are successfully experimented. So
if rules in "C-Scientific Research Applications" are more advantageous
for AWE,prototypes could enter in C under an expression like"Airborne
Wind Energy Research" in C31. Mature AWE for effective energy
production could enter in D under an expression like:"Airborne Wind
Energy Conversion Systems"in D34. PierreB http://flygenkite.com |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3790 |
From: dave santos |
Date: 6/29/2011 |
| Subject: AWE Trademark Notice- UpWind, UpWind Fund, etc. |
This
notice is to establish the global trademark "upwind", in any variation
or combination, within the AWE field, on behalf of Pietro Cambi of
Florence, Italy. |
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3791 |
From: dave santos |
Date: 6/29/2011 |
| Subject: Re: The Main Point (comprehending kites) |
My
friend Doug reminds us not to "miss the main point" about AWE
(comprehending the kite) and get "mired in details" (meeting Bill
Gates). In this spirit i went back to the foundational Pocock kite
text, which features verse i first took to be from Lord Byron's play,
The Two Foscaris, but instead came from Mary Mitford's Tragedy.
Mitford's Foscari relates a childhood Maslovian peak experience, a
magical high-altitude kite flight, the remote kite rapsodized as
"companion to the stars". Naturally a Hungarian Witch appears during
the flight and prophecises the lad will be the Venitian Doge. But lets
not get mired, just recall kite magic and divination was well known via
Marco Polo's eyewitness account and was fairly unversal in Polynesia.
Anyway, Pocock weaves his own (passable) verse in while explaining
fundamental kite physics and laying out the practical case for kite
trains. Doug must applaud how deftly Pocock stays faithful to the main
point despite beguiling detail.
The
Byron side-trail did lead somewhere special, to that bard's core
definition of poetry as "a kite twixt life and death", whereby the
spirit of the poet is the wind. The analogy fits the emerging science
of embodied computation, particularly the kite as an "animat" made from
form and matter in an energy field. The poetic mind handles ideas on
the most powerful scale, after all, Byron's daughter Ida invented
computer programming (A previous post detailed a complimentary history
of the kite's influence on scientists like Newton and
aeroengineer-turned-pholosophical-superstar, Wittgenstein). Anyway,
recall the famous summer on Lake Geneva with Byron when Mary Shelly
wrote Frankenstein: A Modern Prometheus, and how Victor Frankenstein's
kite is the key science-fiction plot device, the technical means by
which lightning is brought down a wire to animate the monster, noting
the echoed theme of "a kite twixt life and death". We are quite close
to the main point here, but lets digress.
The
Shellys, Byron, and all their ilk were captivated by Italy and would
gladly hang out today at the two-story penthouse carved out of an old
palazzio in the center of Rome, where i am being held. I could make
a break for it when the maids leave the door open each morning, but its
hard to leave a golden cage when a week before i was stealth-camping
the roadside weeds of Holland. I only mention this miring detail to
make Doug jealous. I even savoured the Ferrari* provided. Yesterday my
wonderful friends (Roman handlers) arranged a paseo in the nearby Villa
Borgese Park where i found a breezy spot at the upper end of Via Goethe
to fly my pocket kite (Mire: It was Goethe who put about, "Visit Naples
and die", but in fact Virgil originally framed it as "visit Naples and
you can die contented"). A couple of weeks ago i was able to get this
same kite fairly high over St. Peter's Square (its round) before police
finally intervened. Back to the "main point", these are models for
prospecting for utility-scale kitefarms and contronting regulatory
hurdles.
Futhermore,
after a recent morning of AWE kite farm planning meetings for a small
airport near Florence, the Italian Radical Party notable acting as
driver in Livorno predictably ignored perfect directions and wandered
to the Trespointe seaside. I hopped out with a Power Sled 14 and was
surprised by a pair of three-stick kites already high above. With 400m
of line on my reel it seemed i could soon overshadow the homemade
wings, but no, they had more line out. Now three kites soared at
"technical height" over one of Italy's largest cities. The only other
air traffic you see in these skies are grey Hercs with no national
markings and they seem cool with toy kites.
Who, then, was the mystery
three-stick flier hidden in a palm grove? I assigned the Power Sled
Pilot-in Command and Visual Observer roles to my Italian apprentices
and tracked down a grizzled kite Yoda fully equal to Mitford's
Hungarian Witch. This "Maestro Mauro" had traveled much and was the
first Italian on my trip to speak Spanish (Italians prefer anything to
Spanish), but back to the main point (comprehending kites) he was
raised in the Brazilian kite tradition. An authentic shaman, Mauro
declared he "called" us to his presence, but still marveled at his own
magic kite powers, to call hither a team of Italian Radical Industrial
kite financiers, plus American Expert who already knew of the Papagallo
Brazilero kite lineage. It turned out he had 2000m of line on his reels
and had hardly begun to climb. He had many homemade kites and reels
with him and shared the secrets. I traded the Power Sled for a rare
traditional "fish" kite. Yoda then led us to Obe-One-Kanobe (no
spellcheck) a Maestro Alberto, a world-class kitemaker/flier to add to
the loopy human-in-the-loop AWE network, which is off the main point,
so i'll end here.
*a common brand of Parmesan Cheese.
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| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3792 |
From: Muzhichkov |
Date: 6/29/2011 |
| Subject: GoFlyKite |
| Group: AirborneWindEnergy |
Message: 3793 |
From: Joe Faust |
Date: 6/29/2011 |
| Subject: Re: AWE Trademark Notice- UpWind, UpWind Fund, etc. |
UpWind
Will there be confusion with the conventional turbine company?
JoeF |
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