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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27600 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Evaluation of Low-Order Theories for Numerical Simulation of Air [

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27601 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Carousel: a baseload wind power supply

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27602 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Resource assessment of Airborne Wind Energy using the ERA5 rea ...

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27603 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Ampyx Power AWES Development Status and Approach

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27604 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: An immersed boundary method for membranes in wind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27605 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Fluid-Structure Interaction of Inflatable Wing Section

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27606 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Modelling, design and optimisation of composite structures for Ai ..

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27607 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Engineering Wake Induction Model for Multi-Kite Systems with Tilt an

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27608 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Definition of AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27609 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: AWE Airborne Wind Energy --- multi-branched

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27610 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: AWE Airborne Wind Energy --- multi-branched

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27611 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Aeroelastic CFD-FEM Study of a Kite for Power Generation

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27612 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Evaluation of Low-Order Theories for Numerical Simulation of Air

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27613 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: An immersed boundary method for membranes in wind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27614 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27615 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27616 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27617 From: dougselsam Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27618 From: dougselsam Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27619 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Simulation of a Tether of a Kite Power System Using a Lumped Mass Mo

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27620 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27621 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27622 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Simulation of a Tether of a Kite Power System Using a Lumped Mas

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27623 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27624 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27625 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27626 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27627 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27628 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27629 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27630 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The power consumption as the Magnus Effect Balloon or the Sharp

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27631 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The power consumption as the Magnus Effect Balloon or the Sharp

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27632 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: The skAWE of Makani

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27633 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27634 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The skAWE of Makani

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27635 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27636 From: Santos Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27637 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27638 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27639 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27640 From: dougselsam Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The skAWE of Makani

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27641 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27642 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: SPAR BUOY PLATFORM

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27643 From: dougselsam Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27644 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The skAWE of Makani

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27645 From: dougselsam Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27646 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27647 From: Santos Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27648 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27649 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27600 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Evaluation of Low-Order Theories for Numerical Simulation of Air [

Evaluation of Low-Order Theories for Numerical Simulation of Air   [need full title]

Mr. Amartya Mukherjee

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27601 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Carousel: a baseload wind power supply

Carousel: a baseload wind power supply

Mr. Massimo Ippolito

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27602 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Resource assessment of Airborne Wind Energy using the ERA5 rea ...

Resource assessment of Airborne Wind Energy using the ERA5 rea ...  [need full title]

Mr Max Rügerx

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27603 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Ampyx Power AWES Development Status and Approach

Ampyx Power AWES Development Status and Approach

Mr. Jaap Bosch

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27604 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: An immersed boundary method for membranes in wind

An immersed boundary method for membranes in wind 

Mr. Navaneetha Krishnan

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27605 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Fluid-Structure Interaction of Inflatable Wing Section

Fluid-Structure Interaction of Inflatable Wing Section 

Mr. Mikko Folkersma

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27606 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Modelling, design and optimisation of composite structures for Ai ..

Modelling, design and optimisation of composite structures for Ai ... [need full title]

Mr. A.A Candade

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27607 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Engineering Wake Induction Model for Multi-Kite Systems with Tilt an

Engineering Wake Induction Model for Multi-Kite Systems with Tilt and Elevation Angle 

Ms. Rachel Leuthold 

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27608 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Definition of AWE

AWE is the acronym for airborne wind energy. It is a branch of wind energy. Wind energy is used for electricity generation, nothing else. So airborne wind energy purpose is electricity generation, nothing else.

All companies involved in wind energy target electricity production, nothing else.

All companies involved in AWE target electricity production, nothing else.

Kite ship and kite surf are not AWE. They are in sails family. Considering them as AWE leads to incoherent AWE predictions: that of 2030 doesn't take into account that they are already existing, leading to confusion or coming from confusion.

It is the time for a more rigorous focus on the correct definition of AWE that leads to electricity production. Such a correct definition will allow this forum to be understandable by the AWE community.  
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27609 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: AWE Airborne Wind Energy --- multi-branched
Doug, consider working positively on the branches of AWE that interest you.
The world of AWE is rich in sectors, maybe one sector or two will attract your sharing positively. Leave the other sectors of AWE to others, perhaps.  The forum is open to all AWE sectors. 
http://www.energykitesystems.net    
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27610 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: AWE Airborne Wind Energy --- multi-branched
Doug, we like what we do. You can't stop anyone from doing their thing, only waste time.

Go ahead and do your ST. Show us your good side.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27611 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Aeroelastic CFD-FEM Study of a Kite for Power Generation
This one jumps out. Aeroelasticity of kite rigs is a hot topic.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27612 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Evaluation of Low-Order Theories for Numerical Simulation of Air
If the cut off title ends as it may, this may be a hot item.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27613 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: An immersed boundary method for membranes in wind
Sounds very cool, bring it on.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27614 From: Santos Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE
Wind energy is used for milling, sailing, pollinating, etc. It's not just electrical.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27615 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE
Airborne Wind Energy overlaps wind energy, but is more.  
Wind energy has for millennia been used for more than generation of electricity. E.g., lifting masses is an example; pulling boats and hands are other example; hundreds of other examples are recorded in our forum. 

Some companies in AWE target electricity production and other good works by AWES.  Altaeros, e.g., Makani Power;  KiteLab, Los Angeles, etc. have multi-pronged purpose.  

Kite ship via Dave Culp, e.g. was active in the AWE conference in 2009.  Kite ship is a core interest of Makani Power, e.g.   Electricity is just one of many purposes of airborne wind energy systems; the facts bear such statement as true. 

Realize that an activity may be in two different sets; non-empty intersections!  

There is nothing stopping anyone right now from aiming their AWE energies to the production of electricity.  Those who learn lessons from the various sectors of AWE just might bring key matters to the purpose of producing electricity by some AWES.     The sector of hull pulling gave lessons that allowed attaching hydro electric turbines to the hulls.    

The AWE community includes thousands of people who appreciate that energy kite systems may produce electricity or lift masses or drag hulls, etc.  And some will see that lifted masses then may initiate another branch of AWE where the dropped masses drive electric generators on the ground; or where pulled hulls may be equipped with hydro turbines.    Rich world AWE.   One need not be confused facing such a rich spectrum of AWES.     Lift water to fill dams by AWES that are good at lifting and transporting water!   Etc.

Caution: consider to avoid defining yourself into a small jail. 
HTTP://www/EnergyKiteSystems.net
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27616 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE
AWE has ever respected that "air" includes other fluids and fluid-like or near-fluid-like media. Flying kite systems in other than air media for the purpose of converting kinetic energy of the media for doing good practical works (including by choice electricity generation) is AWE material.   AWE systems may involve more than one media at a time.   FFAWE uses just air when in full flight (launching time may include other anchor media); Ampyx systems use both air and anchor non-air material.  AWE on other planets or in space may not have "air" as media!  Minesto like the media water for its AWES.  

Out of confusion: gems!  
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27617 From: dougselsam Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
As in what term should we use if we mean generating electricity from the wind, with that wind also serving in the capacity of elevating the apparatus?  The meaning most people have ascribed to airborne wind energy - what do we call that?  Not pollenating, not wiggling, not making us feel good because we're flying a kite, generating.
Any suggestions?

Or is it possible that even if JoeF and daveS coined the phrase Airborne Wind Energy, that it's gotten away from them, and taken on a life of its own?

I suggest AWE in Italics could mean Airborne Wind-powered Electricity
kind of awkward.
Maybe we'll have to just say AWE has one general meaning for most people, and for certain other "very special" people it can mean other things.  In fact it can mean anything, including hydroelectric power, pollenating plants, people breathing, anything.  Anything and everything.

It might help if people were doing other things with AWE.
I don't see any problem with a kite operating a pump as AWE.
But nobody does it anyway.  It's just a fantasy, for now anyway.
Grinding grain?  Sure, as a one-time stunt maybe.  As a talking point.
You'd have to convince me anyone is still grinding grain by direct windpower anywhere in the world anymore, as just a start, THEN convince me anyone is going to grind grain using "a power-kite" or whatever.

It's all nothing but contrived talking points from your kite-fantasy-world to try and win a stupid argument about nothing but your abuse of language, guys.
Anyways, I think I've made my point that you two guys are completely insane, as if we didn't already know that.  So I rest my case.  As daveS likes to say, your complete insanity "stands".   :)))
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27618 From: dougselsam Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE
Only because you (apparently) can't do AWE, do you go on like this.
If you HAD something AWE-related to offer, you'd be talking about that.
Because you don't, you talk about anything.  And everything. 
What about wingsuit guys getting blown into rocks, or a bridge - that's AWE!
But daveS doesn't think spattering blood is cool.
Maybe if you eliminate everything in the world you are aware of, an AWE system will be what's left.


---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <joefaust333@...
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27619 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Simulation of a Tether of a Kite Power System Using a Lumped Mass Mo

Simulation of a Tether of a Kite Power System Using a Lumped Mass Model,

 20th Cross Straits Symposium on Materials, Energy and Environmental Science, 2018.11.


Mostafa Rushdi, Tarek Dief, Shigeo Yoshida, 

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27620 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE
Doug, I can do AWE.  Have done AWE.  And will aim to continue to do AWE. 
Evidence of my doing AWE subsist in the literature from the early 1950s forward. 

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27621 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
Try e-AWES  ?  Electricity via AWES.
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27622 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Simulation of a Tether of a Kite Power System Using a Lumped Mas
PDF of paper
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27623 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE
"Airborne Wind Energy (AWE) is a prominent form of renewable energy that denotes the generation of usable power by airborne devices"  
Mostafa. A. Rushdi, Shigeo Yoshida, Tarek N. Dief

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"usable power" 
One choice could be electricity.   There are other choices of "usable power" from airborne devices. 
e-AWE and e-AWES might denote electricity is the product of an AWES. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27624 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
eAWE


---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <joefaust333@gmail.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27625 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
eFFAWE     FFAWE that focuses on electricity generation.
xcFFAWE    FFAWE that focuses on tranveling cross country (xc) using FFAWE systems. HG (hang gliders) are just one sort of xcFFAWE. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27626 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
New forum: Advance kite systems to do good works. Flight media includes water, air, plasma, soils, space, and other media, even sometimes in combination.  
eAWE, skAWE, kbAWE, peAWE, gwAWE, etc. are welcome.
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eAWE   electrcity via AWES
skAWE   ship kiting 
kbAWE    kite boarding
peAWE    potential energy via use of AWES
gwAWE   general good works via use of AWES
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27627 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: eAWE
eAWE  is a sector of AWE where 
electricity generation using an AWE system is the dominant purpose of the system.   eAWES is such a flight system. Contrast eAWE with skAWE, xcAWE, eFFAWE (superset: eAWE), etc. 
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eAWES converts the kinetic energy of media (often air) to mechanical translations and rotations that drive electric generators aloft or on the ground or both.

eAWE may arrive at many scales from sub-centimeter sized systems to huge electric-utility-grid eAWES. 
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Makani Power concerns itself with both eAWE and skAWE; that is. the company has invested in both electricity generation and ship kiting.
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27628 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
Try to make electricity with AWES?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27629 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/17/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE
Joe wrote: "Makani Power concerns itself with both eAWE and skAWE; that is. the company has invested in both electricity generation and ship kiting."

On https://makanipower.com/ : "Makani kites, airborne wind energy".
It is all. No eAWE, no skAWE. Only AWE. Only electricity generation as AWE system is dedicaced.

The concern is electricity generation, no redefined words and acronyms.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27630 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The power consumption as the Magnus Effect Balloon or the Sharp
Hi PeterS,

Thanks for the explains.

Concerning Magnus Balloons (and as a result Sharp rotor) Tallak seems to contradict the statement  I quoted from chapter 12 of AWEbook 2018 and I reput: " the motor power consumption " is much larger than the power produced by the system due, among others, to the significant effect of frictions. For larger scale systems, frictions become less important compared to aerodynamic forces." 

Tallak wrote on https://forum.awesystems.info/t/magenn/637/72: "I think much of this is due to skin friction, and we cannot expect this to reduce with scale, because, well, skin scales linearily with the projected area of the wing."

I replied: This looks likely, but the high difference of power consumption has been measured for small cylinders ("…much larger than the power produced…") and larger balloons like Omnidea (about 1/3 or 1/4). 

Please what do you think about it?  Thanks.

PierreB
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27631 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The power consumption as the Magnus Effect Balloon or the Sharp
Hi PeterS,

I verified the spin ratio of both small Magnus cylinder (about 0.1 m diameter, chapter 12) and Omnidea's balloon (2.5 m diameter) and they were roughly the same, as for wind speed. So why such a difference (much larger power consumption than power produced for the first, 1/3 or 1/4 for the second according to the curve on the presentation of which I provided the link)? Thanks.

PierreB 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27632 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: The skAWE of Makani
To see Makani's skAWE one combs it's beginnings and it's patents. Though eAWE has been the company's main face, skAWE is firmly present in the company's history.

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Acronym legend for this topic thread:

eAWE :  AWE having electricity as product

skAWE : AWE having ships on water doing AWE for fuel/power making or transportation or both. Or using AWE featuring water-hull anchor wings coupled with air wings to test skills, learn, recreate, etc. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27633 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE
To attend to the skAWE in Makani, see the topic dedicated to that matter. Thank you.
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The present topic is eAWE.

In context since eAWE is a proper subset of the superset AWE, a writer may relax to "AWE" when electricity is first target, when audience is not likely to misunderstand matters.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27634 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The skAWE of Makani
Gipe notes:
"Google applies for wind-assisted propulsion patent using Makani kite

Makani Airborne Wind Energy Turbine (AWT) hasn't been in the news lately. They arrived in a flurry of press in 2013 as the next big thing from Google. The device is a powered kite tethered to the ground or in this new application to a ship.

In its previous incarnation, Makani was touted as a tethered wind turbine to generate electricity from higher winds aloft. As in all such inventions, the hype was high, experience low or non-existent.

Now we see that Google is billing Makani, via the patent application, as a towing kite. "
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27635 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE
eAWE could stand for "electronically controlled airborne wind energy", in opposition to "passively controlled airborne wind energy" being pAWE. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27636 From: Santos Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
Airborne means flight, and Wind extends to other fluids, like water current or solar wind, and Energy includes both electrical and mechanical.

The term AWE has never been intended to be too restrictive, and it's purely voluntary to use it. If Doug and Pierre want to come up with a better term, let them try.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27637 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
"Airborne" means borne by the air, and "wind" applies to air, not water or other fluid. If Joe and Dave want to come up with better redefined terms as used expressions, let them try. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27638 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE
e-c-AWE is electronically controlled AWES.
e-c-eAWE is electronically controlled AWES aiming to primarily generate electricity. 
e-c-skAWE is electronically controlled skAWE. 

Fun. May AWE live in all of its aspects and branches!   Go, Pierre!
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27639 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE
p-c-eAWE    passively-controlled AWES intended to generate electricity. 
p-c-peAWE  passively-controlled AWES intended to generate potential energy. 
e-c-peAWE  electronically-controlled AWES intended to generate potential energy. 
Etc.   Be sure to inform your audience about the acronyms used in a paper, essay, book, posted message, pamphlet, etc.    
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27640 From: dougselsam Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The skAWE of Makani
I no longer expect anything from Makani.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
The Professor Crackpot Syndrome itself has more longevity than any one example thereof.
Outsiders always assume wind energy will be easy.


---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <joefaust333@... "Google applies for wind-assisted propulsion patent using Makani kite

Makani Airborne Wind Energy Turbine (AWT) hasn't been in the news lately. They arrived in a flurry of press in 2013 as the next big thing from Google. The device is a powered kite tethered to the ground or in this new application to a ship.

In its previous incarnation, Makani was touted as a tethered wind turbine to generate electricity from higher winds aloft. As in all such inventions, the hype was high, experience low or non-existent.

Now we see that Google is billing Makani, via the patent application, as a towing kite. "
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27641 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE
Well done Joe!

A small remark: as AWE stands for airborne wind energy, then wind energy is used for electricity production, it is the same when wind energy is airborne. AWE companies like Makani and others  aim to generate electricity.
So an acronym like eAWE (with e for electricity production) is a pleonasm. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27642 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: SPAR BUOY PLATFORM
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27643 From: dougselsam Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
So I guess the concrete slab supporting my house "is really" "a kite" - who knew?
Is there anything in the universe that is NOT "a kite" today, in your mind, JoeF?


---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <joefaust333@...
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27644 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: The skAWE of Makani
Makani in their patent: 
"wherein the aerial wing is adapted to operate in a flying mode to harness wind energy to provide a first pulling force through the tether to pull the vehicle"

Hence, Makani dabbles in skAWE
(ship kiting). 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27645 From: dougselsam Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: Definition of AWE
In your dreams.  The only way you do any form of wind energy, is in your mind, via wordplay.
You and daveS think you can rewrite reality for everyone else.  No you just rewrite it for you.
As the term "wind energy" is commonly understood and used, you have not, to any significant extent.
You guys keep talking about a momentary 5 Watts 11 years ago.
Silly.
I think it's time you two stopped pretending.


---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <joefaust333@...
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27646 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE
Wind energy aside from AWE has been dedicated to many works aside from making electricity. 
Pumping water, grinding grain come to mind quickly. Also, the "WE" in AWE  is also not limited to any one product. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27647 From: Santos Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE
Note that "electronic" is used for sensing, signalling, processing; that sort of app. "Electric" is used for bulk power. This is common engineering usage, but not a strict distinction.

AWE "avionics" is a preferred term for the electronics. "Energy" in AWE really does include all forms of energy, starting with the kite's natural energy. Wind energy includes traditional windmills.

It's not likely to catch on to restrict common usage of "AWE".
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27648 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: eAWE
Making electricity is the king of aimed works, a king without subjects. If AWE successes for this task, it will success for other tasks.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27649 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/18/2019
Subject: Re: What is the new term for "airborne" "wind energy" then?
You bait me, Doug.  You created the challenge of your own home's concrete support slab; it seems proper to be up to you to examine the slab for its categorization.  Your own's slab simply stays in itself not part of a kite system, unless you tell more about the slab, Doug.  I do not hold your slab as a kite system when taken alone in itself.   You tend to misrepresent "kite" when baiting me.   Carry the story out further if you want to have your slab as part of a kite system; it is possible, but you have not delineated the kite story about the slab. 

Of course, Doug, there are an uncountable infinity of things that are not "kite" today and yesterday and tomorrow. 
Proof: Let us construct a collection of sets each having a distinct transcendental number as the set's only member. Let those numbers have over them no other quality besides being a transcendental number. The collection is of sets of cardinality of one.  By construction the members of said sets are not kites, as a kite needs tensed coupling between two wing sets interacting with a media. 



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