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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27446 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Photo-In-message experiments for our group

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27447 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Photo-In-message experiments for our group

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27448 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Photo-In-message experiments for our group

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27449 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Photo-In-message experiments for our group

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27450 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Paper on challenges in the commercialization of AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27451 From: tallakt Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: The New Selsam Rotor, (The Dougley McRotor)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27452 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Paper on challenges in the commercialization of AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27453 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: The New Selsam Rotor, (The Dougley McRotor)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27456 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27457 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27458 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27459 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Power Bol Architectures Continued- Flygen Ring Bol

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27460 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: The winning AWE method(s)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27461 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Kiteboarding

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27462 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: The New Selsam Rotor, (The Dougley McRotor)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27463 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Kite Psychology- Malaysian view of kite as wild child

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27464 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Kiteboarding

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27465 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Kite Psychology- Malaysian view of kite as wild child

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27466 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: The winning AWE method(s)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27467 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: The winning AWE method(s)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27468 From: Peter Sharp Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27469 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA back in the picture

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27470 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA back in the picture

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27471 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27446 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Photo-In-message experiments for our group

Experiment #4

Using now browser Internet Explorer.

Using direct online group's edit tool for posting.

Signed into the group regularly.

I will go to some third party image on the Internet

and copy and past the IMAGE using Internet Explorer capacity.

The quest is to see what Yahoo Groups does with the image

in the online group view and in the email view received by a member.


I highlighted a SkySails image from the page

http://www.skysails.info/en/skysails-marine/infocenter/skysails-technology/system-components-how-it-works/towing-kite-with-rope/


and pasted into the body of the edit tool:

Does it show in online and/or in email?

I will report my found results.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27447 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Photo-In-message experiments for our group
Result of Experiment #4: 
I saw inline image in all three places: 
Chrome view of group presentation. 
Internet Explorer view of group presentation. 
And in my Gmail message from the group. 

So, inline images are possible for a message in our group. 
This experiment's method worked. 
But the image was hosted at some Internet page. 
Internet Explorer tool seemed to be satisfactory. 

BUT Chrome might not let such happen. 
See Experiment #5. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27448 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Photo-In-message experiments for our group

Experiment #5


Here I will see if Chrome browser will allow copy image by highlight select and paste to body of active online group message tool:

Intended is an image from SkySails site:


 During group online image set, I see the image. But will it show once "Send" is pressed?   Will it show in both online group view and email or what?   I will report result. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27449 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Photo-In-message experiments for our group

Result: 
Chrome under experiment let image show inline in online group in Chrome and in Internet Explorer and in my email copy received from group. 

Note:  Some webmasters my somehow prevent photos from being so borrowed. Watch copyright and intent for any use. 

So, it seems that copy/paste of selected Internet photo may work for inline compositions. 
And storing first some photos (your oriiginals) in group Photos space for copy/past and/or URL linking will serve us.    
   Differently, it seems there are challenges in just uploading to an email body a local-computer photo.  Explore for yourself what finally works. Examine the group's final online view result and explore your email copy that the group sends to you, if you have told the group to receive copies of posted messages. 



---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <joefaust333@gmail.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27450 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: Paper on challenges in the commercialization of AWES

edited by 
Karel van Hussen, 
Enno Dietrich, 
Job Smeltink, 
Koen Berentsen, 
Manel van der Sleen, 
Robert Haffner, 
Lorenzo Fagiano
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27451 From: tallakt Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: Re: The New Selsam Rotor, (The Dougley McRotor)
I cant see your attachment... Im not sure why you are still wasting time on Yahoo Groups...
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27452 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: Paper on challenges in the commercialization of AWES
Stakeholders involved in the study: 

Aldo Cattano, Skypull, CH
Alexander Bormann, Enerkite
Aloys Nghiem, WindEurope
Andrea Bartolazzi, Consultant for Skypull
Anton Kaifel, Zentrum für Sonnenenergie und Wasserstoff-Forschung Baden-Württemberg
Antonio Marchetto, EASA
Bernard van Hemert, Ampyx power
Bernd Specht, Skysails
Christoph Sieg, Kiteswarms Ltd.
Corey Houle,  Twingtec
Cristina Angulo,  EASA
Erik J van der Heide,  Ampyx power
Espen Oland,  Kitemill
Fabian Girrbach,  X-Sens
Falko Fritz,  Skysails
Fernando Fontes,  University of Porto
Fort Keller,  Makani
Francisco Boshell,  IRENA
Frédéric Bourgault,  New Leaf
Garrett Smith,  Wind Fisher
Gernot Hagemann,  Hannoverimpuls
Jaap Bosch,  Ampyx power
Joep Breur,  Kitepower
John Obrecht,  Siemens Gamesa Renewable Energy
Jörg Dittrich,  DLR
Jos Beurskens,  (Ex) ECN
Julian Campe,  EWE
Kester Gunn,  E.on
Kim Harnow Klausen, Covestro global wind, DE
Kristian Petrick, Eco-union
Lode Carnel, Kitemill
Mac Gaunaa, DTU Wind Energy
Manfred Quack, Skysails
Marco Mazzi, E.ON
Markus Farner, FOCA
Max ter Horst, e-kite
Mike Blanch, Consultant BVG associates
Moritz Diehl, University of Freiburg
Nicola Mona, Skypull, CH
Paul Hatton, EASA
Peter Eecen, ECN
Peter Hauge Madsen, DTU Wind Energy
Philip Bechtle, University of Bonn
Pietro Faggiani, Kitepower
Po Wen Cheng, University of Stuttgart, Stuttgart Chair of Wind Energy, Institute of Aircraft Design
Rainer Hinrichs-Rahlwes, European Ren. Energies Federation, BE
Richard Ruiterkamp, Ampyx power
Rigo Bosman, DSM Dyneema
Roland Schmehl, University of Delft
Rolf Luchsinger, Twingtec
Sebastiano Sella, Kitenergy
Simon Heyes, KPS
Stefan Ronig, EASA
Stefano Sanmartino, Kitenergy
Thomas Harklau, Kitemill
Udo Zillman, Airborne Wind Europe
Uwe Fechner, Aenarete
Yves Morier, EASA
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27453 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: The New Selsam Rotor, (The Dougley McRotor)
Attachments :
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27456 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/15/2019
    Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT
    Attachments :
      Hi PeterS,

      It is an already old topic. Since I yet investigated a little the ALT concept and it looks to be yet more wrong than I thought. The principle is wrong. The mechanism is wrong.

      Concerning the principle: ALT concept intends to use the thrust on the turbine to make additional power. By the third Newton's law (action/reaction), it is not possible. It is obvious for HAWT but it is also the same for VAWT. The thrust is the price to pay. As we decrease the thrust (apart from parasitic thrust), we decrease wind power. It is the reason why a wind turbine has a tower, or an AWES has a tether.
      It is claimed 20% or 30% more power. As you indicate, VAWT Cp is about 0.42. So the Cp would become 0.62 or 0.72. But Betz's limit is 0.593, and the eventual renewal of the wind within a large VAWT is not invoked. So this claim is not correct.

      Concerning the mechanism there are several different versions. The last is on the patent WO2016207574A1 I attach again and I sent several times (but sometimes on Yahoo the attachment cannot be open) and of which Joe provided a direct link. The patent describes an axis xx' for the turbine, and a secondary axis yy' for a second generator.
      If you want you can remote the second generator because some versions with one or 10 generators, or changes of the relative place of the stationary gear as on V3, it will not work.
      For this one it is even not possible to turn the turbine in order to face wind direction as it changes, that by keeping the same configuration, that due to the axis xx' (please see the schema as attachment if you can open it).

      Any mechanism cannot save from a wrong principle.

      I had still never seen such a thing, DaveS' fantasy physics looks academic beside it.
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27457 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT
      Pierre, Its not "fantasy physics" ability to have seen and explained how ALT physics claims were exaggerated, at first glance.

      Advanced physics in AWE is a cool subject that builds on specific kite dynamics. Its not just a cause for mockery. You have had years to master the basics of Chaos, Thermodynamics, and QM, to opine knowledgeably.





       

      Hi PeterS,


      It is an already old topic. Since I yet investigated a little the ALT concept and it looks to be yet more wrong than I thought. The principle is wrong. The mechanism is wrong.

      Concerning the principle: ALT concept intends to use the thrust on the turbine to make additional power. By the third Newton's law (action/reaction), it is not possible. It is obvious for HAWT but it is also the same for VAWT. The thrust is the price to pay. As we decrease the thrust (apart from parasitic thrust), we decrease wind power. It is the reason why a wind turbine has a tower, or an AWES has a tether.
      It is claimed 20% or 30% more power. As you indicate, VAWT Cp is about 0.42. So the Cp would become 0.62 or 0.72. But Betz's limit is 0.593, and the eventual renewal of the wind within a large VAWT is not invoked. So this claim is not correct.

      Concerning the mechanism there are several different versions. The last is on the patent WO2016207574A1 I attach again and I sent several times (but sometimes on Yahoo the attachment cannot be open) and of which Joe provided a direct link. The patent describes an axis xx' for the turbine, and a secondary axis yy' for a second generator.
      If you want you can remote the second generator because some versions with one or 10 generators, or changes of the relative place of the stationary gear as on V3, it will not work.
      For this one it is even not possible to turn the turbine in order to face wind direction as it changes, that by keeping the same configuration, that due to the axis xx' (please see the schema as attachment if you can open it).

      Any mechanism cannot save from a wrong principle.

      I had still never seen such a thing, DaveS' fantasy physics looks academic beside it.
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27458 From: benhaiemp Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT
      PeterS;

      Some correction due to my English language, then what results.

      "If you want you can remove the second generator because whatever the versions with one or 10 generators, or with changes of the relative place of the stationary gear as on V3, or others, it will never work."
      As a result a prototype is not needed as it would be a not workable prototype.
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27459 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: Power Bol Architectures Continued- Flygen Ring Bol
      Joe thanks for putting so much effort into the photo question.
      Seems as though it worked very easily one day for me to include an image and then see it when I pull up the message.  Two days later I can include a pic and others can see it but I can't, and I can't see anyone else's either.  Personally I have to be careful how much time I spend online lest all my real estate projects fall by the wayside.  Now that summer is here I have to spend hours a day just watering trees.
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27460 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: The winning AWE method(s)
      *** The greatest excuse of all, fake future-news.  This makes Moller's flying car, which has always been 1-2 years from commercialization, for 40 years - (or is it 50 years by now?), look like real progress.  Still looks cool though... They got a lot of "mileage" from that one sexy-looking prototype.


      ---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <santos137@...  

      A little patience, you will have a simple and well-argued answer. Such an answer can be required as DaveS regularly failed to predict what will happen in AWE field, and that since 12 years. Remember that this forum was created for the fast development of high altitude wind energy. What is the AWE situation now? Is there any implementation by soon? No, after 12 years of erroneous predictions from (not only) DaveS. As these predictions were not realized, DaveS pushed back the estimated date of implementation. Now he pretends AWE will be for 2030 (I note that the "AWE" kiteboard use is rightly not taken into account, as we speak about utility-scale electricity generation). What justifications, what analysis drives him to advance such a time? Nothing.

      But the question is not DaveS' failure by itself. This failure enters a more global lack of relevant estimation, that by following the premise that there is a huge reservoir of wind power at high altitude, and flying wind turbines can capture it, then the subsequent assumption, escaping to DaveS' failure, that less material is used for power equivalent to HAWT, not taking into account the space used, despite the elements that I could communicate. The power/kite area ratio was the only criterion retained, as I advanced the power/space use ratio.

      But the most important is not yet here. I don't see any analysis of AWE among the energy mix, about what can be common with current HAWT, and what cannot. Particularly the intermittency concern is not taken account enough, and that for both solar and wind, even if a better capacity factor can be expected for AWE.

      As a result, our fears of a change in climate could certainly lead to the massive use of renewable, with the important restriction that this massive use could be postponed, leaving room for carbon-free energies to be controlled.


      All these points have to be analysed in order to obtain a valid AWE estimation.

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27461 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: Kiteboarding

      *** And while you were watching, you could have been developing an AWE system instead.

      ---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <santos137@...  

      https://youtu.be/MLKMSJTtypU

      UPWIND - Launch of a Sport - History of Kitesurfing
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27462 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: The New Selsam Rotor, (The Dougley McRotor)
      Tallak wrote " I'm not sure why [Doug is] still wasting time on Yahoo Groups..."

      Its because challenges of New Forum moderation made shutting the Old Forum down a bad idea. Its not Doug's fault.

      Two AWE Forums are better than one. Anyone who just follows one will fall behind.

      Doug also gets better tech support here. If KiteMill ever needs help reworking its software architecture, we can help.



       

      Testing again
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27463 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: Kite Psychology- Malaysian view of kite as wild child
      By the way I do see the image of this article in my browser.
      Yes of course your kids are always testing you.  Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
      Content-wise it's one more excuse, one more diversion from no output still in daveS cutting edge wind energy research.
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27464 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: Kiteboarding
      Inventing KiteSurfing was "developing an AWE system". All serious developers learn from their peers.

      Where is Doug's system? He must have watched too and realized the power kite is it. Great history.



       


      *** And while you were watching, you could have been developing an AWE system instead.

      ---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <santos137@...  

      https://youtu.be/MLKMSJTtypU

      UPWIND - Launch of a Sport - History of Kitesurfing
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27465 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: Kite Psychology- Malaysian view of kite as wild child
      This is "cutting edge wind energy research", unless there is prior art.



       

      By the way I do see the image of this article in my browser.
      Yes of course your kids are always testing you.  Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
      Content-wise it's one more excuse, one more diversion from no output still in daveS cutting edge wind energy research.
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27466 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: The winning AWE method(s)
      I don't know how any of you guys could still be taking any of these "analyses" seriously at this point.
      Know-nothings opining on the nothingness of other know-nothings...
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27467 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: The winning AWE method(s)
      Time will tell if the 2011 Critical Path Analysis timeframe was off.

      Doug takes these analyses quite seriously, or he would not bother faithfully commenting. His AWE patents reflect his sense of a commercialization timeframe, that he took seriously enough to invest the time and money to fie.

      We eagerly await Pierre's 2019 analysis of AWE's industrial timeframe.



       

      I don't know how any of you guys could still be taking any of these "analyses" seriously at this point.
      Know-nothings opining on the nothingness of other know-nothings...
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27468 From: Peter Sharp Date: 7/15/2019
      Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT
      Attachments :

        Hi PierreB,

        Thanks for your comments. I studied the animation of Version 3 in terms of which quartiles produce torque. It turns out that the wind must be coming from the top in order for each quartile to produce positive torque. That means that the stationary gear is offset to the left (toward the retreating side of the rotor).

        The patent is ambiguous because they it does not show the connections between the parts that are blocked by the large disc on which the planetary gear ride.

        The large disc must be concentric with the stationary gear. Otherwise, the circular planetary gears could not stay in contact with the stationary gear.

        But the arms holding the blades need to be concentric with the central axis of the rotor.

        I figured out how to connect the disc to the blade arms, but only if the tail vane is mounted above the stationary gear, not below it. Just connect the disc to the arms using cords. That is a very crude solution, but it could be made to work. Another solution is to mount pegs below the disc that contact the side of the arms and slide along the arms. There would always be at least one peg in contact with one arm, so the torque transfer from the disc to the arms would be continuous.

        The principle, if not the mechanism as shown in the patent, seems to be correct. That is because it does not require the wind to be slowed more than normal for a fixed-blade VAWT. The energy from Active Lift is obtained by converting potential energy (wind pressure on the rotor) that is already present into kinetic energy. The Betz limit does not consider that potential energy (the wind pressure on the rotor) because Betz assumed that that potential energy could not be utilized. And he was correct, at least with respect to HAWT. He did not consider VAWT.

        For VAWT, at least in principle, the Cp could be higher than the “Betz” limit for VAWT (.61 to .64).

        If a Cp of .42 is increased by 30%, the result is .546. Lecanu used a different method of calculation, and it is too complicated for me to find his error. He calculated the Active Lift Turbine could produce a Cp of .61. Obviously, I am skeptical of his claim.

        So I think that they have found a valid principle, but they seem to still be in the process of working out the best design of their rotor.

        PeterS

         

        From: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 6:34 AM
        To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [AWES] Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT

         

         

        Hi PeterS,

         

        It is an already old topic. Since I yet investigated a little the ALT concept and it looks to be yet more wrong than I thought. The principle is wrong. The mechanism is wrong.

         

        Concerning the principle: ALT concept intends to use the thrust on the turbine to make additional power. By the third Newton's law (action/reaction), it is not possible. It is obvious for HAWT but it is also the same for VAWT. The thrust is the price to pay. As we decrease the thrust (apart from parasitic thrust), we decrease wind power. It is the reason why a wind turbine has a tower, or an AWES has a tether.

        It is claimed 20% or 30% more power. As you indicate, VAWT Cp is about 0.42. So the Cp would become 0.62 or 0.72. But Betz's limit is 0.593, and the eventual renewal of the wind within a large VAWT is not invoked. So this claim is not correct.



        Concerning the mechanism there are several different versions. The last is on the patent WO2016207574A1 I attach again and I sent several times (but sometimes on Yahoo the attachment cannot be open) and of which Joe provided a direct link. The patent describes an axis xx' for the turbine, and a secondary axis yy' for a second generator.

        If you want you can remote the second generator because s! ome versions with one or 10 generators, or changes of the relative place of the stationary gear as on V3, it will not work.

        For this one it is even not possible to turn the turbine in order to face wind direction as it changes, that by keeping the same configuration, that due to the axis xx' (please see the schema as attachment if you can open it).



        Any mechanism cannot save from a wrong principle.



        I had still never seen such a thing, DaveS' fantasy physics looks academic beside it.

         
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27469 From: dougselsam Date: 7/15/2019
        Subject: Re: AWEIA back in the picture


        ***Do-nothings, still complaining and posturing, pretending to be doing anything at all.
        Yeah and I'm the president pro-tem of the international kitty-knitting association - for 12 years and counting, but I still don't know how to knit and I don't have a kitty.  In fact I have nothing whatsoever to do with kitties OR knitting, and never have, yet there are these weird people from some other country who keep insisting I am the president of the do-nothing weirdo international kitty-knitting association, even though I just sit here doing nothing, except every few years I send an e-mail saying something about God or Jesus and end it with the word "Meow".  Nonetheless these weird people from another country complain every so often that I am not included in international pet shows or kitting exhibitions.  The strangest thing is these weird people from another country don't have anything to do with kitties OR kitting EITHER, but they just post crap on the internet about it all day every day.  Ideas for ways to knit sweaters for kitties, using kitties for shade, concrete underground kitty-knitting, kitty-pix, kitty-shows, an upcoming kitty-powered knitting concert - well you know.  Someday, apparently, all kitties will be wearing knitted sweaters, and all knitting factories will be re-powered by kitties - it's looking like the new target timeframe is the year 2030, Jesus willing.  Meow.

        ---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <santos137@...
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27470 From: dave santos Date: 7/15/2019
        Subject: Re: AWEIA back in the picture
        Doug thinks TACO is "do nothing" compared to his name-calling.



         



        ***Do-nothings, still complaining and posturing, pretending to be doing anything at all.
        Yeah and I'm the president pro-tem of the international kitty-knitting association - for 12 years and counting, but I still don't know how to knit and I don't have a kitty.  In fact I have nothing whatsoever to do with kitties OR knitting, and never have, yet there are these weird people from some other country who keep insisting I am the president of the do-nothing weirdo international kitty-knitting association, even though I just sit here doing nothing, except every few years I send an e-mail saying something about God or Jesus and end it with the word "Meow".  Nonetheless these weird people from another country complain every so often that I am not included in international pet shows or kitting exhibitions.  The strangest thing is these weird people from another country don't have anything to do with kitties OR kitting EITHER, but they just post crap on the internet about it all day every day.  Ideas for ways to knit sweaters for kitties, using kitties for shade, concrete underground kitty-knitting, kitty-pix, kitty-shows, an upcoming kitty-powered knitting concert - well you know.  Someday, apparently, all kitties will be wearing knitted sweaters, and all knitting factories will be re-powered by kitties - it's looking like the new target timeframe is the year 2030, Jesus willing.  Meow.

        ---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <santos137@...
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 27471 From: Joe Faust Date: 7/15/2019
        Subject: Re: Active Lift Turbine VAWT
        Pierre, 
        The two attachments did not come through email nor online view. 
        1 kb placeholders showed in email.   Please explore another method to attach. 
        Perhaps load the items in the group in "Files" and the get the URL of each item. 
        Then pasting the URL in a message should let us reach the items. 
        Thank you for exploring. 
        Lift, 
        JoeF