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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25637 From: dave santos Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: KiteSwarms' Multi-kite AWES Architecture

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25638 From: dave santos Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: Re: KiteSwarms' Multi-kite AWES Architecture

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25639 From: benhaiemp Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: Re: KiteSwarms' Multi-kite AWES Architecture

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25640 From: tallakt Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25641 From: Santos Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25642 From: Santos Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25643 From: dougselsam Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25644 From: dougselsam Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25645 From: dougselsam Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25646 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25647 From: Santos Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25648 From: Santos Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25649 From: dougselsam Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25650 From: Santos Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25651 From: dougselsam Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25652 From: dougselsam Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25653 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25654 From: Rod Read Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25655 From: benhaiemp Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25656 From: Santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25657 From: dave santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: KiteSwarms' Multi-kite AWES Architecture

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25658 From: Santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25659 From: Santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25660 From: Santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25661 From: dougselsam Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25662 From: Santos Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25663 From: Santos Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25664 From: dave santos Date: 4/30/2019
Subject: Chinese AWE player on Twitter

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25665 From: dave santos Date: 4/30/2019
Subject: EU Wind Resource Review w/ AWE Focus

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25666 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 4/30/2019
Subject: Re: Chinese AWE player on Twitter

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25667 From: dave santos Date: 4/30/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25668 From: dave santos Date: 5/2/2019
Subject: BBC ponders AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25669 From: dave santos Date: 5/2/2019
Subject: WindLift pitches Wing7 knock-off to US Marine Corps

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25670 From: dave santos Date: 5/2/2019
Subject: TUD/KitePower's new 60m2 LEI Wing in flight

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25671 From: dave santos Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Faraday's original Homopolar generator: Best-suited for kite-surge c

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25672 From: dave santos Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: EU seminar intersects AWE with conventional wind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25673 From: dave santos Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Airseas-Airbus SeaWing based on SkySails Platform

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25674 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Re: Airseas-Airbus SeaWing based on SkySails Platform

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25675 From: dave santos Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Game-of-Life Time-Crystal Metamaterials? Hell yes :)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25676 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Another AWE Global Cooling Effect? (IR production in kite wakes)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25677 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Eat Night Clouds Only?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25678 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: AWE Job Market Developing

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25679 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Altitude Energy of Australia

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25680 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Microscale Vorticity, the Hidden Kite Killer

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25681 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: NBC's Rapturous Makani Video

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25682 From: dave santos Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Ocean acidification counter measures by means of kite (review and up

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25683 From: dave santos Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: Ocean acidification counter measures by means of kite (review an

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25684 From: dave santos Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: Canada's Diesel-dependent Communities as AWES Early-adopters

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25685 From: dave santos Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: "Cloud Growing"? (Water Vapor Production for More Rain)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25686 From: dave santos Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: Latest KGM1 Prototype Video



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25637 From: dave santos Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: KiteSwarms' Multi-kite AWES Architecture
Seeing Reinhart in the mix
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25638 From: dave santos Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: Re: KiteSwarms' Multi-kite AWES Architecture
Also seeing Corey Houle and a few other fine familiar faces in the KiteSwarms swim. Corey has cultivated Chinese partners, which is rare in AWE R&D. Understand the AWEurope establishment to be reaching out to China in figures like Corey. In the wider Kite World, we all have our China kite networks for decades now, ready to mobilize powerfully as the tech matures. When the PRC elite finally notices AWE, anything could happen.

Kiteswarms is counting on a looping-multi-VTOL-kiteplane-flygen network. Its going to work, but reliability and low LCOE will be hard, with limited scaling potential for this specific architecture.



 

Seeing Reinhart in the mix
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25639 From: benhaiemp Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: Re: KiteSwarms' Multi-kite AWES Architecture

It is a yoyo, on-ground energy conversion system as specified on the video on https://kiteswarms.com/  with incorporated quadcopters as VTO as noted on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URyacqV5xI0&t=173s .
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25640 From: tallakt Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
I read the wikipedia article today about phonon mathematics.

Though the idea of applying phonon mathematics to kite networks sounds interesting, it seems a few if the preconditions might not apply to kite networks.

If such a mathematical structure is applied, it should have a new name and some new preconditions. Otherwise applying phonon math could just lead to nonsense results. Kite networks do show some similarities to materials science (about which I am quite ignorant), so reusing this is definitively interesting.

As an example, electrical forces between two molecules decay by distance squared. So one might in phonon math just ignore neighbors if distance two or more as an approximation. For a kite network, such forces may be easily propagated many neighbors across if the tensile forces are laid out in a somewhat straight line.

I am also questioning/wondering about how all of this will somehow lead to the maximum extraction of energy in the kite network. A wave in a kite network is subject to many damping factors, and one might think that the wave is a property of the wind and airflow rather than the kite network. If my hunch is true, a wave in a kite network will dissipate its energy before it may be extracted.

So we are stuck will a large kite area that has to be built very strong due to internal tensions, but little energy is harvested.

These are my initial thoughts, along with the thought that such a mathematical framework _could_ provide useful insight, if built on sound foundations
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25641 From: Santos Date: 4/22/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Tallak, so what design approach do you favor as more promising?

The phonon math works at all scales, like seismic phonon science is an existing planetary scale case.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25642 From: Santos Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
The new name is kitematter and the physics is whatever string and rag can do. Every elastic force on matter, every mechanical action, every kite motion is phononic.

We understand the unique qualities of kites or molecular models, but a boson is a boson at any scale. Our superpolymers will be found effective in testing at the scale of the FAA designated airspace. Note that most of the mass and action of a kite is in the flow field, and air supports massive phonons.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25643 From: dougselsam Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
daveS:  I'm officially saying I think you are totally full of crap.
I've seriously never heard such nonsense.
But as a joke, I would throw out "What about quantum entanglement"?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25644 From: dougselsam Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
tallak: You could spend the rest of your life reading this guy's nonsense.
He wants to suck you into thinking he can overcome not producing any power, by providing another link to another Wikipedia article.  He would like you to join him in taking AWE to a 100% "all-talk format" - no Watts allowed - an all-troll, all-the-time internet-only war-of-words with the main stock-in-trade being links to misapplied Wikipedia articles.
Don't fall for it!


---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <tallak@...
Though the idea of applying phonon mathematics to kite networks sounds interesting, it seems a few if the preconditions might not apply to kite networks.

If such a mathematical structure is applied, it should have a new name and some new preconditions. Otherwise applying phonon math could just lead to nonsense results. Kite networks do show some similarities to materials science (about which I am quite ignorant), so reusing this is definitively interesting.

As an example, electrical forces between two molecules decay by distance squared. So one might in phonon math just ignore neighbors if distance two or more as an approximation. For a kite network, such forces may be easily propagated many neighbors across if the tensile forces are laid out in a somewhat straight line.

I am also questioning/wondering about how all of this will somehow lead to the maximum extraction of energy in the kite network. A wave in a kite network is subject to many damping factors, and one might think that the wave is a property of the wind and airflow rather than the kite network. If my hunch is true, a wave in a kite network will dissipate its energy before it may be extracted.

So we are stuck will a large kite area that has to be built very strong due to internal tensions, but little energy is harvested.

These are my initial thoughts, along with the thought that such a mathematical framework _could_ provide useful insight, if built on sound foundations
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25645 From: dougselsam Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives
I'm still trying to figure out what JohnO has to do with AWE, besides you two calling him a "pro-tem" president (of what exactly?) for 12 years, and every couple of years he types the word "lift".  What is his specific link to AWE again?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25646 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives
Diplomacy. Statesmanship. Honesty. Careful prose. Fair communications. 
... to start. An organization has many players with varied talents. 
AWEIA will involve a large spectrum of talents.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25647 From: Santos Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
It's no joke if you hope to learn more about kite and string physics. Two ends of a tensioned string are a good QM entanglement analog. Their state properties fully correlate at a distance.

Try and top that with Newton alone, it would be messy.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25648 From: Santos Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives
Too bad you can't ask Wubbo.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25649 From: dougselsam Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
daveS: As you advised me, I advise back, we both should be doing more building and running, less talking.
I don't think most of this stuff you talk about is even valid, let alone applicable or relevant.  By now, if your grasp of "rag-and-string" were accurate, you'd have shown a promising configuration.  Instead you go off into la-la-land, generating zero power, just more and more buzzword-based, pseudo-genius wannabe-theories or - well I'm not sure if they even rise to the level of theories- just "impressive-sounding" buzzwords, misapplied or just thrown out there as slogans or - whatever.  To me, you're just posing, substituting buzzwords from the barely-understood edges of science, along the lines of "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit!"  Not sure if you are fooling yourself, but you're not fooling me.
Typically, wind people's response to wind wannabe crackpots is to inform them that mere visible rotation is not significant without driving a generator.  The typical response sometimes mention a "deprony brake", or some name-calling, but at some point they either connect a generator then go away, or they just shut up and go away without connecting a generator.
It's not too often we get people going all the way back to the pre-rotation days of wind energy where we'd have to tell them to add a generator to their pulsating parasols.
Still, I find no reason some of the arrays you hint at could not be built and run, or at least tried.  But it seems like actually trying any of what you talk about is beyond your actual expertise or interest.
Do you need some help fleshing out your oscillating rag-and-string design direction?  Are you stuck for a way to make it work?
I might be able to help you sort it out.  You have to try something, or you'll never know if any of it is valid in the least. 
I don't really think its credible to have been promoting yourself as some sort of top researcher for this many years with nothing to show for it, do you?


---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <santos137@...
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25650 From: Santos Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Doug, 

kPower is designing and testing new AWES as intensively and consistently as ever, but you seem not to read the reports. The Austin Kite Fest demo recently was the best ever. Only you must admit to not testing kite energy methods enough.

 If you want to see networked kites in topological metamaterial time-crystal action, go to a festival where trains and arches are flown, and watch the lattice waves. Don't just count on your poor knowledge of kPower R&D.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25651 From: dougselsam Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Dear daveS: "as intensively and consistently as ever," means 12 years and counting of not generating any electricity at all, rather than eclipsing your dreaded "windtowers" as originally stated.  It does not seem that you have demonstrated any effective or even promising configurations.  No power being generated.  No indication that any power will be generated. 
Why do you call yourself kPOWER?  Why the "power" part?  Where is the power? 
I would say conversations with you are frustratingly lacking in logic.  It doesn't seem like it should be necessary to tell the guy calling himself kpower while claiming to be eclipsing existing wind energy technology that he would be expected to come through and actually generate some power.  That is just one example of the results of your trying to inject so much confusion into a simple, well-understood concept (a better way to generate electricity) that you hope your own confusion will magically spread, becoming so ubiquitous that somehow the whole world will forget the only purpose of wind energy: generating electricity.  Never gonna happen.  You can never drag the rest of the world down to that level of nothingness.  And why would you want to, yet you keep trying...  Weird.  Very weird.
These conversations are so absurd that words fail me.  You are not even peripherally involved in wind energy in any form, except your off-base claims on the internet  I just don't know how you can keep going on pretending. You've become a caricature of yourself.  Trying to see how many big words you can type is still not hitting the mark.  Never has.  Never will.  It's all very silly.


---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <santos137@...
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25652 From: dougselsam Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives

Hey Joe: Diplomacy over what exactly?  Diplomacy with whom?  Honesty about what?  "Jesus" again?
"Careful prose"?  "Prose" of what meaning?  Typing the word "lift" a hundred times for no real reason? For what purpose?  Talents?  For what use?  What has he done?  AWEIA?  What IS it?  What has IT accomplished?  What has it ever done? 
You two remind me of the kids in my neighborhood starting "a club" every year or so.  We'd proudly announce to our parents our latest "club".  They'd ask who was in the club, and we'd name 3 or 4 other little kids, then maybe we'd build a teeny half-assed "clubhouse" or pick some existing playhouse, have one "meeting" and the whole thing would be forgotten within a day or two.  A "club" whose purpose was to start "a club" - a dog chasing its tail.  It was nothing more than us kids amusing ourselves.

I don't think your "club" has anything more to it than these "clubs" we'd start as little kids.  They all share having no real reason for existing, other than our own mutual and temporary entertainment.  You two are neck-deep in a quicksand of self-delusion, in my opinion.  Nice that you run a forum supposedly devoted to airborne wind energy.  Thank you.  Seems pretty obvious though, it serves mainly as a venue of self-promotion, for you two to keep pretending involvement in AWE, so thanks for running a forum, but beyond that I think your AWEIA serves only as mutual entertainment for your two, and I don't believe it has had any consequence, or any reason for a "president", especially one not even involved in AWE anyway. 

I think you guys are just living in a self-perpetuated fantasy-world.  Well, at least if it keeps you amused, it has some purpose.  I just don;t think there is any reason for any of us to go on listening to these fantasies of you two guys and taking them seriously.  Innovating in wind energy?  Show us some power produced.

Running a "forum" is one thing.  Using that forum to try and dominate all thought in a field in which neither of you otherwise even participates at all is quite another.  Seems absurd.  Like you guys start out as default referee, and end up claiming victory without ever playing the game at all, let alone winning anything.  Weird weird weird.

---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com,
<joefaust333@...
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25653 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives
http://www.aweia.org/
Join in with your talents.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25654 From: Rod Read Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives
This reminds me of one of those old govt information films for kids...
"get in my car and I'll let you see my puppies"
 "Charlie says always let your parents know where you are going and never get in the car with strangers."

That is a scruffy old site, dusty, untidy, foosty, unloved. How is anyone going to find heart to interact with it?
I'm terrified of the prospect of being involved with aweia.org if it means I have to time travel to 1994.
Do you remember how mental that year was?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25655 From: benhaiemp Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives
AWEIA can still be useful, and that with John Oyebanji as co-founder. Now there is an AWES on the market with https://www.kitewinder.fr/ , and perhaps AWEIA could integrate this new fact.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25656 From: Santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: AWEIA Lives
AWEIA is a voluntary association, so its up to those who care to carry forward. Those who only complain over AWEIA and do nothing to help at least do no harm. The association will endure if AWE does.

Dan Tracy's Pacific 40 was the first ever complete AWES product that sold out it's small run. kPower bought a unit and donated it to the American Wind-power Museum. Let's formally account this honor in AWEIA's name. Anyone who wants to donate a Kiwee1 on a similar basis would be very welcome.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25657 From: dave santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: KiteSwarms' Multi-kite AWES Architecture
So we have to guess the VTOL props do recharge-mode in flight for the next launch and power the onboard energy load(?)

Its a pretty complex architecture with so many modes and sub-systems, and active control of so many moving parts.



 

It is a yoyo, on-ground energy conversion system as specified on the video on https://kiteswarms.com/  with incorporated quadcopters as VTO as noted on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URyacqV5xI0&t=173s .
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25658 From: Santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Doug, the power part of "power kite" is real power. You don't have to accept kPower has made electricity many times many ways over 12 years, it's not that hard and the public demos have been many. If you can not even stay minimally on topic, no wonder you guess so wrong about many things in AWE. Maxwell Frames is an apt tool for analysis of kite rigging. Your unhappy thoughts are not. Focus on your inventive challenges. Study hard.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25659 From: Santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Once again, testing must settle doubts. Kite Networks are a wonderful frontier to explore. The papers cited are superbly relevant art, full of insights for those able to follow the material.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25660 From: Santos Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Also seeing kite bridles as special Maxwell Frame cases. These are not the simple regular lattices of interest for kite networks. Lazy-jack rigging is non-Maxwell counter-case.

Reminding that one key advantage of passive kite networks is elimination of active control mass and power burden simply by a few extra stabilizing lines. It's an attractive trade off.

Programmable kitematter applies embodied logic. That's a cool comparative study with anything on GitHub.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25661 From: dougselsam Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Dear daveS:
My recollection is that your supposed max power of 5 Watts was achieved in 2009 at Oroville?  Strange to achieve max power there, considering there was very little wind.  Nonetheless, especially given your statements of the immense power offered by kites of your chosen designs, using them to repower aging nuclear plants, using them to spin the huge powerplant generators presently spun by turbines (?), using them to generate "GigaWatts", etc., not to mention the comparatively trivial future prospects of outperforming, then replacing, "windtowers" as you like to call regular wind energy installations, I would have to note that, while any output data, no matter how small, could be promising, 5 Watts is not normally considered very significant, even for the smallest wind turbines, and would usually be less than rounding errors and the accuracy of data acquisition.  By the time (a decade later) you're spending a lot of time and energy promoting your "accomplishment" of coaxing a self-winding watch to operate by shaking it, which certainly doesn't require anything unusual or special to do, I'd say the "power" part of "kPower" has been pretty-much forgotten.
Additionally, it occurred to me that your unique forays into attempted theoretical application of so many arcane branches of pop-physics, quantum physics, etc., may be mostly driven by a lack of actual ideas for how to use kites to generate electricity, since it seems that, given your unparalleled level of enthusiasm for AWE, if you could think of a way to actually do AWE as stated, you would.  It's like you reached a dead end of workable ideas long ago, and are desperately seeking an "alternate path", even if it ends up being in an "alternate universe".  (Gosh, remember what a slam-dunk AWE was going to be?  Geez, what happened?  Reality?)
By the way, not sure if I missed it, but what about "dark matter"?
:)
DougS


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25662 From: Santos Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Doug, 

Your memory of kPower demo history is incorrect. Please form a new topic if you wish to corrected. There is also Forum records to check your memory.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25663 From: Santos Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Besides foundational lattice engineering obviously applicable to kite networks, we can also cite Maxwell's 1861 electromagnetic equations that underlaid the engineering of Prof Blyth's world-first electrical wind turbine, just 26 years later. Progress has been just as fast since, and now AWE is the wild frontier.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25664 From: dave santos Date: 4/30/2019
Subject: Chinese AWE player on Twitter
Rod found this and shared it to New Forum. Design is nicely rendered but not very workable-
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25665 From: dave santos Date: 4/30/2019
Subject: EU Wind Resource Review w/ AWE Focus
Mostly wind science known to AWE experts, but a nice review of key concepts, like daily variations with altitude, and re-emphasis of ~500m altitude as default target wind resource-
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25666 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 4/30/2019
Subject: Re: Chinese AWE player on Twitter
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25667 From: dave santos Date: 4/30/2019
Subject: Re: Tensile Maxwell Frame Lattice Models for Kite Networks
Periodic networks of kites exhibiting phased-synchrony are a good model of Time Crystals. It helps to have closely followed the AWES Forum's past few years of relevant analysis to understand weakly dissipative dynamical systems capable of being over-driven for net energy harvesting.

In short, Aircraft are six-dimensional oscillators (pitch, roll, yaw, surge, heave, sway) and regular kite-trains or kite-arches of such unit-aircraft that obviously develop coherent lattice long-waves exactly meet the formal Time Crystal criteria of periodic structure with periodic states. 

Our AWES Time Crystal identification may be the most significant case in this exploding field of condensed matter metamaterial engineering-science-

Time Crystals: new states of matter, by Frank Wilczek









Besides foundational lattice engineering obviously applicable to kite networks, we can also cite Maxwell's 1861 electromagnetic equations that underlaid the engineering of Prof Blyth's world-first electrical wind turbine, just 26 years later. Progress has been just as fast since, and now AWE is the wild frontier.
Besides foundational lattice engineering obviously applicable to kite networks, we can also cite Maxwell's 1861 electromagnetic equations that underlaid the engineering of Prof Blyth's world-first electrical wind turbine, just 26 years later. Progress has been just as fast since, and now AWE is the wild frontier.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25668 From: dave santos Date: 5/2/2019
Subject: BBC ponders AWE
Upper wind resource contextualized. Emphasis on quasi-drone AWES architectures, with their problematic low unit-output noted. UK ventures oddly overlooked, along with all soft-kite groundgen players, nevertheless, the AWE journalism drumbeat only continues...
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25669 From: dave santos Date: 5/2/2019
Subject: WindLift pitches Wing7 knock-off to US Marine Corps
WindLift promoting Makani's Wing7 configuration to its forward-base military target market. Interesting war-games ingredient. SNAFU reliability probable, with or without Master Asian fighter-kite opposition. Surely easier to bring down than keep up-
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25670 From: dave santos Date: 5/2/2019
Subject: TUD/KitePower's new 60m2 LEI Wing in flight
Considered close to current LEI scaling limits. Control Pod looks like an unstreamlined prototype unit, with maybe a RAT for charging and air-pump as well on wing; as known dependencies of TUD's down-selected architecture missing in earlier iterations.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25671 From: dave santos Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Faraday's original Homopolar generator: Best-suited for kite-surge c
AWE engineering research mostly presumes conventional synchronous grid-tied generators or flygen motor-gens for electricity production. Unfortunately, unit-kites typically develop power unevenly in large pumping surges and pauses not easily matched to steady grid demand, surges that can burn out conventional generators in seconds. 

The Homopolar Generator is an older kind of generator integrating flywheel dynamics for potentially unmatched AWES surge performance. We here consider HGs run in reverse from the common surge-out mode to a surge-in mode. Similar capability with discrete flywheels and generators is less elegant and might prove less cost-effective than Faraday's original device.

Austin was oddly once again at the epi-center of a potential AWE technology when it redeveloped the homopolar generator in the 1980s for novel surge-power applications like "Star Wars" rail-guns and battle-lasers :( or contact-welding large metal masses in an instant. (see bottom links for "handbook" and video). Now kPower of Austin ponders the HG in the AWE context.*





A vintage taste of Austin's famously practical, cerebral, and kooky thinking happily coexisting-




* kPower has done a lot of AWES and kite testing at the same UTexas Pickle Research Campus as the old HG work.
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25672 From: dave santos Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: EU seminar intersects AWE with conventional wind
Academic conjunction of conventional wind power and AWES engineering science-

14th eawe PhD Seminar 18 - 20 September 2018 - Brussels, Belgium


AWE content seen in a quick glance-

- Senior Ph.D. Workshop: "Airborne Wind Energy", by Thomas Haas

- New Concepts: "Wind Flow Modelling for Airborne Wind Energy Systems", by Markus Sommerfeld

- Aerodynamics: "An Unsteady Actuator Annulus Relationship for Simplified Multi-Kite Systems", by Rachel Leuthold
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25673 From: dave santos Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Airseas-Airbus SeaWing based on SkySails Platform
Evident SkySails participation in this Airbus-related startup in Hamburg. Not noted is the KiteShip/Maersk-identified commercialization-barrier of major shippers being too conservative to risk deploying any AWES that might foul a ship's screws with the kite-tether. Meanwhile, SkySails itself has pivoted to static deployment. This is likely an IP licensing deal, and it gets Airbus deeper in AWE. Its hard to prove a "trend" away from AWES soft-kites with so many ongoing exceptions-


"The sea is a harsh mistress."
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25674 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Re: Airseas-Airbus SeaWing based on SkySails Platform
PRESS RELEASE

Airbus orders first ever automated kite for its cargo ship from AirSeas 
AirSeas’ pioneering system to improve transport efficiency 

Hamburg, 4 September 2018 - Airbus has placed a firm order with AirSeas during the international maritime trade fair SMM to purchase the first ever automated kite, named SeaWing. 

 SeaWing is an automated kite based on parafoil technology used to tow commercial ships. Airbus is focusing on improving productivity and delivering aircraft faster and more cost effectively for its customers. SeaWing offers a new way of cutting shipping fuel costs by 20 percent and will reduce Airbus’ overall industrial environmental footprint by 8,000 tons of CO2 per year. Airbus owns a fleet of four RO-RO ships to transport aircraft parts around Europe and the USA. 

 SeaWing combines aeronautical know-how with maritime technology to create a breakthrough in the maritime transportation sector. A simple switch launches or recovers the kite which unfolds, operates and refolds autonomously. The system collects and analyses meteorological and oceanic data in real-time. SeaWing adapts to this information in order to optimise its performance as well as ensure maximum safety. 

 Vincent Bernatets, CEO of AirSeas, said: “We are very proud that Airbus has confirmed its confidence in the SeaWing system after seeing our test results first-hand on their own ship. This first ro-ro vessel installation opens the way for further pioneering deals on container ships, bulkers and ferries. We are glad we can start helping our customers to reduce ship emissions in order to preserve the environment.” 

 Contact for the media 
communication@airseas.com 

AIRSEAS 5 Rue Humbert Tomatis 31200 TOULOUSE 

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RORO vessels
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25675 From: dave santos Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Game-of-Life Time-Crystal Metamaterials? Hell yes :)
A metamaterial cell is by definition capable of acting as a logic cell of Conway's Game-of-Life. Rather than a digital computer (or pencil and paper) basis, the material placed in a suitable energy gradient would dynamically embody GoL computation as a Time Crystal. Novel KiteMatter can do it in principle (or comprise a vast kixelated (addressable matrix) screen in the sky). GoL patterns can be likened to quasi-crystal variations.

There is power in the idea of Time-Crystal Metamaterials capable of Game-of-Life matrix operations. After all, GoL is just another Turing-Complete (Universal Computer) basis. This sort of revolutionary engineered matter is very spooky, long awaited, now ready to seriously work on; the very stuff of mathematical physicist Rudy Rucker's Ware SciFi madness. Once again, the kite not only serves for flight, in wind, but also for flights-of-imagination.

A first small step is any mechanical unit design that can pass states to-and-from neighboring units, following GoL Rules.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25676 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Another AWE Global Cooling Effect? (IR production in kite wakes)
As discussed in the past here, AWE on a vast scale may contribute to climate maintenance various ways, like reflective kites that send solar influx back to space, or kites that pump saltwater high up to make day-clouds.

What will be the direct thermal effect of so millions of AWES kites churning the air? At first glance, it may seem that air is only heated up by kite friction, making matters worse, but by conservation-of-energy thermodynamics, kites reduce overall kinetic energy in "thermalizing" it, which causes the slowed air to radiate Infrared Radiation, a large portion of which would promptly radiate out to space. The general net effect of wake heat is global cooling.

Kinetic Energy is really quite "hot", and this hidden heat in wind is increasing from anthropogenic causes. Kites may prove to be the best way to reduce this thermodynamic reservoir by the IR glowing in their wakes. This is an open subject, due to various complexities, such as possible reduced cloud formation in some cases. There will be preferred and unwanted conditions for this particular kite effect. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25677 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Eat Night Clouds Only?
Its understood that day clouds cool the Earth by reflecting sunlight and night clouds instead only trap heat. Therefore, kite schemes for harvesting clouds seem favored by night, for the net cooling effect. We have noted this idea before, but its worth taking to its ultimate form. 

Imagine a hot region capped by a nighttime cloud layer that is swept away by a targeted kite array; there could be a large drop in temperature at the surface by creating clear night sky. We don't know if such methods will work, so the need to explore further continues.

There seems to be a functional division opening between cloud water harvesting and just dispersing clouds, if that's even practical. Fog dispersion is a starting model-
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25678 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: AWE Job Market Developing
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25679 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Altitude Energy of Australia
A legacy venture of the apparent lineage of Bryan Roberts pioneering work (incl. Sky Windpower, Baseload Energy, etc.)-
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25680 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Microscale Vorticity, the Hidden Kite Killer
Experienced kite flyers understand just what is meant by a kite that "hit a pocket of air". Pockets cause the kite to suddenly fall out of the air; the opposite failure mode of power-looping into a death dive in a gust. Pockets are passing vorticity that skew and above all cancel prevailing wind velocity. A derecho gust, on the other hand, can seem like a vortex because the kite looped.

Common wind field vorticity can align more vertically or horizontally. Rolling horizontal line vortices form between shear layers and cause a sort of clothes-dryer-tumble of the kite. Vertical vorticity causes the best wind pocket, a weird roving low or even zero or negative velocity, a calm eye the kite falls into. Terrain is a persistent cause of shed vorticity, but wild wind fields can make vortices anytime anywhere. 

Microscale in meteorology roughly refers to the scale of our kites up to the scale of a typical windfarm. Mesoscale is the scale of local weather. Tornados, often seen in snaky ropy form, are the visible meso-version of common small invisible kite killing whirlwinds. Hurricanes and Rossby Waves are well known mega-scale vortices. Exotic cases include Polar Vortices and the planetary breaking gravity wave in the upper Stratosphere that follows the sunrise around the Earth. 

All vortices are bosons with energy, mass, spin, frequency, wavelength, topological charge, and so on. A stretched vortex occurs either between two surfaces or in a loop like a smoke-ring. A squeezed vortex forms like clay rolled between the hands. Slowly but surely we are learning all about these common kite killers. Thank goodness soft kites hop right back up after a vortical upset.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25681 From: dave santos Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: NBC's Rapturous Makani Video
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25682 From: dave santos Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Ocean acidification counter measures by means of kite (review and up
Geoscience confirms the oceans are absorbing more CO2 from air as the CO2 level rises. As measured acidification increases, severe impacts on shell-forming sea creatures are claimed to have already begun, based on test-aquarium data and theory matching field data.

A possible mitigation is to apply lime (calcium oxide) by kite traction from desert sources to the sea, on a heroic scale. This would avoid self-parasitism of the same method with fossil fuels. The business world sees major opportunity in public desire not to destroy Nature, and will readily embrace kites as they prove themselves effective.

No question ship kites could haul massive lime loads on rolling platforms, XC to the sea. Solar power is less inherently suited to direct traction on a grand scale. Kites might even fly antacid loads to spread them widely far better than any alternative. Even global warming skeptics might learn to profit from serving growing public urgency to act.

Falling ocean pH is a clear signal of change matching climate trend data-
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25683 From: dave santos Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: Ocean acidification counter measures by means of kite (review an
A more refined deacidification process would be to mine the calcium-oxide, hydrate it with seawater, then cast it into useful masonry, like seawalls and new cities inland for displaced populations. Residual calcium-hydrate water returned to the sea, plus air-curing of the calcium-carbonate, would reduce both sea and air acidity (perhaps where acid rain is worst).

Recall Wubbo's advice to create the technology and world we want, on Utopian principles, rather than be stuck in fatalistic compromises. Lets save Nature with kite help because that's the best idea we have. Maybe AWE is not so much needed for electrical demand than heroic direct work no grid could power, work only kites can do. We will train our Drachens so.



 

Geoscience confirms the oceans are absorbing more CO2 from air as the CO2 level rises. As measured acidification increases, severe impacts on shell-forming sea creatures are claimed to have already begun, based on test-aquarium data and theory matching field data.

A possible mitigation is to apply lime (calcium oxide) by kite traction from desert sources to the sea, on a heroic scale. This would avoid self-parasitism of the same method with fossil fuels. The business world sees major opportunity in public desire not to destroy Nature, and will readily embrace kites as they prove themselves effective.

No question ship kites could haul massive lime loads on rolling platforms, XC to the sea. Solar power is less inherently suited to direct traction on a grand scale. Kites might even fly antacid loads to spread them widely far better than any alternative. Even global warming skeptics might learn to profit from serving growing public urgency to act.

Falling ocean pH is a clear signal of change matching climate trend data-
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25684 From: dave santos Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: Canada's Diesel-dependent Communities as AWES Early-adopters
Continuing a past theme, here is a clearer statistical overview of energy inequity of remote CA communities-


The next step is to find best suited AWES beta communities by wind, technical affinity, and need.

Please get in contact to join a gathering group of AWES developers in this targeted early-adopter opportunity. More news soon.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25685 From: dave santos Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: "Cloud Growing"? (Water Vapor Production for More Rain)
Cloud Seeding is mostly a zero-sum rain game, given the fixed water content of air overall. "Cloud Growing", for a working name, refers here to adding water to atmosphere for more rain potential overall. Kites once again look like the probable best-way to lift massive loads high.

This is a tricky method, to not make saltwater rain over land nor deplete natural fresh water sources. Perhaps fresh water is best taken at the outflow of selected rivers before it mixes into the ocean. Maybe ice-caps need to be scraped by kite of soot particles, and this would make good cloud water. 

A final thought, that combined Cloud Seeding and Cloud Harvesting might be synergetic. The water vapor seeded and harvested might be produced from a distant source. Rain could finally become a ready resource wherever most needed.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 25686 From: dave santos Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: Latest KGM1 Prototype Video
Great to see fresh Italian R&D. KGM1 is a top contender. Every such AWES prototype is a golden stepping stone to eventual perfection-