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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23327 From: andrew@airhes.com Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23328 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: More Folkloric Kite Interpretations

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23329 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23330 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23331 From: andrew@airhes.com Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23332 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23333 From: benhaiemp Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Rod's progress

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23334 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto news

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23335 From: dave santos Date: 1/16/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto news

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23337 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Static Towing: Weak-links breaking when you want them to or sooner.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23339 From: dave santos Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Enerkite's Current Launching and Landing Challenges

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23340 From: dave santos Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Rod Read's latest video (608W)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23341 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: Rod Read's latest video (608W)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23342 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: Rod Read's latest video (608W)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23343 From: dave santos Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Removing microplastics from the sea with kite-towed filternets and F

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23344 From: dave santos Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: Static Towing: Weak-links breaking when you want them to or soon

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23345 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23346 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23347 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23348 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23349 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23350 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23351 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23352 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23353 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23354 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: A favorite energy inputting to the wing portion of a kite system

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23355 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23356 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23357 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/20/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23358 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/20/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23359 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Human-body spine tensioning

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23360 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: Battery overload 23 Jan 2018

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23361 From: gordon_sp Date: 1/28/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23362 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/28/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23363 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 1/29/2018
Subject: Re: Shlumberger in AWE (KPS's Houston-based investor)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23364 From: dave santos Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: "Boundless Wonder"- AKA Director Nic O'Neill's TED Talk

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23365 From: dave santos Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23366 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: "Boundless Wonder"- AKA Director Nic O'Neill's TED Talk

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23367 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: AWE served by creativity

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23368 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: AWE served by creativity

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23369 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Kitewinder laureate of the French network « Entreprendre »

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23370 From: dave santos Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: [AWES] Kitewinder laureate of the French network « Entreprendre

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23371 From: dave santos Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: "Boundless Wonder"- AKA Director Nic O'Neill's TED Talk

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23372 From: dave santos Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: KGM1 wins new AEN Investment

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23373 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Minesto's paravane anchor major part delivered

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23374 From: dave santos Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Kite Principle Identified in Convective Cells

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23375 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto's paravane anchor major part delivered

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23376 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto's paravane anchor major part delivered

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23377 From: dave santos Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto's paravane anchor major part delivered

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23378 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Minesto seeks launch-and-recovery assistive vessel




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23327 From: andrew@airhes.com Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/
Dave,
I prefer not to discuss what is better or worse, but just to build a complex mathematical model to get the optimum design automatically for given conditions and target function.
Theoretically any kinematic one-directional energy (like wind) could be converted to another one-directional form (like, electricity) almost without losses. The case of AirHES is a potential energy of water under gravity that is result from thermodynamic process (Water Cycle) with rather low effectiveness ~ 10%, but this potential energy already also could be converted to electricity with at least 90-95%.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23328 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: More Folkloric Kite Interpretations
Having reviewed the Jesus Kite meme, the bright trail continues as follows; that Jesus as evangelized in Colonial Mesoamerica became associated with the native figure, Quetzalcoatl, both human savior and the "Plumed Serpent", a mythic flying serpent properly taken as a sort of dragon, and the kite is of course commonly called a dragon in various traditions and languages, with German as a good example. Native American primacy of feathers as sacred objects, even as the characteristic mark of Quetzalcoatl, concords with Plato's estimation the bird wing as the most divine sort of matter. The serpent, in the Mesoamerican view, is sacralized by becoming feathered. In fact, feathers evolved from scales, as the fossil record shows. The kite word covers both hawk and toy. Bird and airplane tend to cruciform.

In Christian theology, pre-mortal Christ is the framer of the Cosmos, and we have found that wind is first of all fossil momentum from the Big Bang (with solar-driven convection in geostrophic balance, for you Sun worshipers out there). Wind is also spirit in linguistic heritage, and the Great Spirit of Native American faith shares attributes of God and Creation. Similar extensions encompass Thunderbird and Garuda traditions. Where next? There is a class of tethered flying creatures: Pegasus was tamed with a golden bridle, Borat, the flying human faced equine who bore Muhammed to Palestine was tethered to the Western Temple Mount, and so on, wherever a magical flying creature was tied for topological stability. Thank Low Complexity AWE for the needed leisure for this sort of inspirational folkloric research.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23329 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/
Andrew,

After years of research and analysis, it seems that a full combinatoric mathematical model of kite-based system is too complex to be computable, as there are too many critical dimensions. For example, you may have a mathematically tractable optimal design for one set of load and wind conditions, but not in all conditions (year-around anywhere). Each critical flight mode, like launching and landing, must be part of the complete state machine. Then there are critical economic and operational factors, especially safety, and so on, not being calculated, but ignored. How can anyone even prove correct starting assumptions of an optimal system architecture, without testing everything and learning from mistakes?

That is why having every sort of approach (numeric, heuristic, and empiric) across a large-enough global research community will arrive at a workable technology before any single human mathematician is likely to, but we wish you success nonetheless. It would be a historic mathematical feat beyond any yet known to create the sort of airborne design required without recourse to every non-mathematical advantage. Flight testing of a purely mathematical engineering design will very likely reveal fatal gaps in the model. Slapping together COTS elements in hands-on expert practice provides a good baseline to compare with a purely mathematical design result.

Of course, partial mathematical results are accepted on merits, even if complete models are intractable,

daveS
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23330 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Water Abundance XPRIZE
Round 1 Testing Reminder

Water Abundance XPRIZE Teams,
 
This is a reminder to all Teams that Round 1 Testing is scheduled to begin this week, with the Round 1 Testing Window of January 10 – 19, 2018 (inclusive local time). Teams may perform testing during any part of this period, and may repeat their testing multiple times. The Test Results must be collected during a continuous 72-hour (three-day) period (“Test Period”) beginning and ending during the Testing Window.

Additionally, the Round 1 Testing Results Submission Window is scheduled for January 19 - Feb 2, 2018 (where Teams are required to submit their results to XPRIZE). Submissions received after Friday February 2, 2018 23:59:59 UTC will not be accepted. Your Team will be contacted in the near future with additional updates and procedures regarding the Round 1 Test Results Submission process.

We would also like to remind Teams to reference the Round 1 Testing Outline summary document for all details regarding Round 1 Testing for the Water Abundance XPRIZE.

Here is a link to the Round 1 Testing Outline (CLICK HERE)
 
As always, please feel free to send any questions or concerns your Team might have about this competition to Water.Abundance@xprize.org.
 
Thank you and best of luck with your prototype testing!
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23331 From: andrew@airhes.com Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/
Dave, 
you are absolutely right that an absolutely correct math model is not achieved and we cannot get result without constant proving it by experiment step-by-step. However, the complex model creates a field of decisions by showing a right direction for optimal experiments. Unfortunately I have no possibility now to fulfill experiments at all, but I hope that other people will use my work for getting some preference parameters in order not lose time and money in future - for example for creating a new type of fog collectors on the kite base.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23332 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

Water Abundance XPRIZE:
Day 1 of Round 1 Testing

Dear Water Abundance XPRIZE Teams,
 
We want to congratulate you on your progress to date and wish you the best of luck during Round 1 testing which commences today. We all very much look forward to reviewing the innovative technologies you have developed. 

Please recall that the Round 1 Testing Window is January 10 – 19, 2018 (inclusive local time). Teams may perform testing during any part of this period, and may repeat their testing multiple times. The Test Results must be collected during a continuous 72-hour (three-day) period (“Test Period”) beginning and ending during the Testing Window.

Additionally, the Round 1 Testing Results Submission Window (where Teams are required to submit their results to XPRIZE) is scheduled for January 19 - Feb 2, 2018. Testing is not permitted during this timeframe. Submissions received after Friday February 2, 2018 23:59:59 UTC will not be accepted. Your Team will be contacted in the near future with additional updates and procedures regarding the Round 1 Test Results Submission process.

We would also like to remind Teams to reference the Round 1 Testing Outline summary document for all details regarding Round 1 Testing for the Water Abundance XPRIZE.

Here is a link to the Round 1 Testing Outline (CLICK HERE)
 
As always, please feel free to send any questions or concerns your Team might have about this competition to Water.Abundance@xprize.org.
 
Thank you and best of luck with your prototype testing!
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23333 From: benhaiemp Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Rod's progress
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23334 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto news

Minesto to Enhance Deep Green Product Range and Intensify Market Penetration Activities

PRESS RELEASE PR Newswire
Jan. 15, 2018, 02:43 AM







STOCKHOLM, Jan. 15, 2017 /PRNewswire/ --

Minesto intends to develop a smaller Deep Green device, DG100, which will provide the company with an additional commercial product to open new markets and business opportunities, including those in Asia. At the same time, Minesto intends to intensify and expand its activities for market penetration to establish the company's unique Deep Green technology in more markets.

The preparations in Wales for offshore testing of Minesto's first commercial-scale Deep Green device is now in its final phase. Installation is due to commence in April 2018, with the ambition to generate electricity during the third quarter 2018. This is a key milestone in the overall development of the Deep Green technology and the results will enable customers, project financiers and funding partners to take the next steps in cooperation with Minesto. The performance results generated during Autumn 2017 by Minesto, based on its model-scale ocean testing and analytical simulations, indicates areas where performance can be increased and hence competitiveness in future design iterations.

The future global renewable energy mix must consist of a combination of technologies that utilise different natural resources for power generation, to provide the world's population with cost-effective and reliable sources of renewable energy. Minesto's Deep Green concept is such a technology, as it is cost competitive in comparison with fossil energy as well as solar and wind power in parts of the world.

Global expansion potential

Based on a new internal analysis of university and marine research studies, Minesto estimates that the identified exploitable potential of the company's product exceeds 600 GW installed capacity; three times higher than previous assessments. This translates into a long-term global expansion potential for Minesto's technology equivalent to one and a half times today's global nuclear power capacity. In addition, predictable and secure base load power generation and non-use of land areas provide further potential economic benefits of Minesto's technology.

As a first step towards realising this potential, Minesto intends to enhance the company's product range while intensifying and expanding its activities for market penetration.

Enhancement of the product range

The combination of dialogue with global energy industry players providing small-scale energy systems (micro grids), customer enquiries and market analysis, has indicated to Minesto that there is a significant customer demand for smaller-scale autonomously operated ("Island Mode") Deep Green systems. Island Mode installations can be utilised across a wide spectrum of applications from remote industries to entire communities that do not have access to centrally distributed electricity either today or in the future.

A smaller Deep Green DG100 unit, with a rated power of up to 100 kW and a 4–5-meter wing span provides Minesto with an additional commercial product that can be supplied into more customer and partner-funded projects, thus cost-effectively opening new tangible markets and business opportunities – in Asia as well as on other continents.

Intensified activities for market penetration

During the Autumn of 2017, political uncertainty surrounding the United Kingdom's revenue support mechanism for new renewable energy technologies has arisen. In addition, negotiations on the UK's exit from the EU have not yet yielded any results related to the marine energy industry in Britain.

Minesto's current work in Wales is not affected by this, nor does it affect potential following financial support from the European Regional Development Funds in Wales. However, there are potential for delays to future deployment phases of Holyhead Deep given that the political uncertainties potentially will last for a long time. An alternative revenue support mechanism for the UK marine renewable energy industry has been proposed, but is not yet in place, which complicates project investments in the UK.

To mitigate this uncertainty, and to take advantage of identified business opportunities, Minesto intends to intensify and broaden its activities for market penetration to three geographical markets:

The ongoing development in Wales. The first phase of the project, to commence commercial-scale electricity production with DG500, is a crucial milestone to Minesto. Scope and content for the next step in the development of Holyhead Deep will be adapted to the political environment that will be formed in 2018. The long-term goal of expanding the Holyhead Deep site into an 80 MW array remains.Site development within the post-Brexit EU to build on and capitalise on developments in Wales. This initiative aims to ensure full access to the EU's ambitious support structures for the expansion of renewable marine energy. By collaborating with the company's current supply chain, project developers within the EU and Minesto's investor InnoEnergy (owned by European utilities), Minesto estimates the conditions for commercial breakthrough in this market to be good. Intensified activities in Taiwan to establish a tidal stream site in Keelung and a first installation in ocean currents.

Share Rights Issue

The Share Rights Issue, proposed by Minesto's Board of Directors and announced on December 22, 2017, aims to:

  • Ensure the successful completion of the first installation and demonstration of the Deep Green technology in Holyhead Deep.
  • Strengthen and expand Minesto's commercial ability to ensure the fastest path to a commercial breakthrough.

Accordingly, the funds raised are planned to be used mainly for:

  • Installation, testing and demonstration at Holyhead Deep, Wales.
  • Enhancement of the product range.
  • Site development and activities for market penetration in the UK, EU and Taiwan.

For a more detailed description of Minesto's operations and details of the Share Rights Issue, please refer to Minesto's website www.minesto.com  and the Swedish prospectus, which is expected to be published around 25 January.

For additional information please contact:

Dr Martin Edlund
CEO, Minesto AB
+46-31-29-00-60
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23335 From: dave santos Date: 1/16/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto news
Minesto's intent to go into production of a small-scale paravane energy unit is good news, with mixed implications.

The good news is that feasibility of the technology is being properly validated step-by-step, rather than premature over-scaling. Minesto's Saab (parent) engineering standards start higher and more cautious than most ventures. While a small format product cannot offer maximal economy-of-scale ("utility-scale"), a relatively large production run of small units will foster a nice quasi-beta community. The long term risk remains that a different architecture will emerge and take the utility-scale "tidal energy" market, while Minesto futzed.

While water-borne "flygens" have a relaxed power-to-mass demand compared to AWES, mass penalty is still a big design factor, and rag-and-string paravanes with surface or shoreline generators may prevail by mass and capital advantage. There leeway for a suboptimal but effective tech to establish market dominance for a time, but not indefinitely. Like AWE, paravane energy is a very complex potential market with many critical dimensions, like sea-life safety and offshore maintenance as key issues, even at small-scale.

Best of luck to Minesto with its exciting product.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23337 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Static Towing: Weak-links breaking when you want them to or sooner.

Corrected link: 

https://tinyurl.com/towingstaticreleases

US Hawks Hang Gliding Association Training Manual (Draft)
Static Towing: Weak-links breaking when you want them to or sooner.
By Bill Cummings


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23339 From: dave santos Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Enerkite's Current Launching and Landing Challenges
Enerkite a couple of years ago embraced Moritz's spin-launch/land concept, with all its challenges; including reaching a sufficiently high starting altitude, complex realtime control, and extreme transient forces. In the latest Enerkite video three weeks ago, we indeed see a wing spinning merrily, but then misleading editing covers the lack of validating video showing the tricky transition to crosswind flight, and back to landing in spin-mode.

As usual in this sort of AWE venture promotion, we speculate that Enerkite would happily show all-modes performance if it had succeeded, but instead is seeking further investment to gamble the challenges will be solved with more money. The worst case is when ventures get addicted to easy money and can not concede engineering failure objectively, so the fuzzy line between honest innocent ignorance and wrongful willful-ignorance is crossed.

A few new technical details stand out- Enerkite has resorted to more complex bridling for better wing span-loading. They are now only proposing 500kW AWES, as an implicit scaling limit, still likely overoptimistic for rigid-wings in most probable wind velocities*. Galileo's square-cube scaling law is apparently determining in tested practice that only soft-kites promise to scale sufficiently to deliver utility scale AWE**. What was only theory a few years ago is being inversely validated by the poor results of well funded ventures that discounted the strictures of aviation scaling laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9plreIhefY

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* "Non-dimensional wind velocity" remains constant even as a larger wing naturally demands greater velocity for equivalent performance .
** Soft ship kites have already demonstrated ~2MW in traction power at sea, if not yet driving large generators.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23340 From: dave santos Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Rod Read's latest video (608W)
Nice work. The nine kites plus pilot lifter make ten, for an average measured power of ~100W per unit-kite in 15mph wind.

The established trend for gradually increased power is holding across the global AWE R&D community. The "newborn baby" continues to grow both on DIY and elite VC fronts. The AWE game remains open for DIY talent to prevail. We used to fear some well funded venture could monopolize AWE, but its a very democratic resource; just as "the rain falls on both the just and unjust", so does the wind blow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6btemB3hKo
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23341 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: Rod Read's latest video (608W)
And a 2018 exploration: 

Congratulations Rod and Team

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23342 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: Rod Read's latest video (608W)
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23343 From: dave santos Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Removing microplastics from the sea with kite-towed filternets and F
The idea of using kites to tow filter-nets across ocean trash gyres was considered here some years ago. We noted that slow-tow likely allows higher sea-life to easily evade the moving sections (with portals along the net to allow bypass). Passive boom-nets in currents are kite-like in action and could address estuaries. The result is a hybrid bio- and plastic sludge. That's about as far as we got. Adding here that the biological load can be substantially composted out as captured methane, leaving a concentrated plastic residue to landfill or inject into deep geological formations.

There was a huge open question about plastic particles too small to economically filter. One non-filter option to explore is called Thermal field-flow fractionation (thermal FFF). A thin slurry passes along a closed channel with a hot and cold side, and the polymer particles would migrate to the cold side. The ocean thermocline and solar-thermal might help. AWE was envisioned as not only towing the nets, but also providing power for auxiliary processing operations. FFF possibly addresses a worrisome gap in how the sea might be rid of microplastic pollution. It may not prove a practical or effective treatment, but its an encouraging start at perhaps finding a workable solution.

Bodies of water must already be doing FFF as thermoclines overpower the buoyancy of particles, which then settle at the colder bottom. It may then be a matter of somehow dredging, without making matters worse, the most contaminated bottom surfaces, like near great cities, by means of kites. A scientific consensus seems emergent that drastic geoengineering may be the only way forward, given how dire the assaults on Nature seem.

Note that the Wikipedia page does not specifically mention water-based FFF, but its a proven lab method in specialized literature.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_flow_fractionation
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23344 From: dave santos Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: Static Towing: Weak-links breaking when you want them to or soon
After nearly 40 years, Bill Cummings is doing the same amazing job reporting the complexities of HG/PG winch-tow tether weak-link. His tour-du-force treatment recalls Blake; "to see the world in a grain of sand", also well expressing just how operationally complex safe flight in the real world is. All the promotional AWE media in AWE, where an imaginary client turns on a slick product and walks away, is way premature. In actual early practice, every single part of a dangerous flying machine must be obsessed about. There are no shortcuts; we have a lot of necessary AWES specialty work ahead just like the ongoing mastery of the tow weak-link.

AWE/Aerotecture thinking can perhaps inform HG/PG weak-link practice. It may be that some sort of elastic snubber and/or free-reeling pay-out at the wing can absorb most weak-link breaking events and also correct lock-out. In the event of lock-out, the wing pilot agent releases tension by free unreeling, and promptly recovers stable flight, but still on-tether. This is how a manned kite wants to be flown from an anchor that is either passive or in a wrong state. A manned kite would still want a weak-link, but somewhat stronger, within narrower margins, to activate less. A runaway kite can be as bad or worse than catastrophic structural failure over the field. Our high-velocity/high-mass platforms, manned or not, should land by controlled glide if broken loose. Unmanned soft kites are another animal; killed on-tether as needed.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23345 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: TED and kite systems
Over time, may TED talks that deal with kite systems be posted in this topic thread. 

Start: 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23346 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23347 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
[note: this immediate post is not TED talks' item but Ted, the kite man)


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23348 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23349 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23350 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23351 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23352 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23353 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23354 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: A favorite energy inputting to the wing portion of a kite system

Play indoor kite on chair----"zen flyer"


[posted before in group, but here for giving motivation for 2018]



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23355 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23356 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23357 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/20/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23358 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/20/2018
Subject: Re: TED and kite systems

Running and Flying across the Alps: Thomas Theurillat & Christian Maurer at TEDXZurich

[[Disclaimer: The PDMC has me advise all: do not fly sport paragliders. ]]


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23359 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Human-body spine tensioning

Want to decompress one's body's spine? 

Consider using a kite system for human-body spine tensioning and decompression.

Let a kite system's tether tension provide tension to the spine. 

Harness the legs to the kite system's tether. Harness one's shoulders or hands to a ground anchor. 

Take care of the implied safety matters. Have a main tether be continuous to its anchor. Rig the body harnessing and anchor on top of the main kite system's tether and breakaway lines. 


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23360 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: Battery overload 23 Jan 2018
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23361 From: gordon_sp Date: 1/28/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/

As an alternative to a hose, it occurred to me that water can be conveyed to the ground by means of a cable drive where the cable is surrounded by a spongy material which will absorb the water. Water saturates the sponge on the descending side and is squeegeed off when it reaches the bottom pulley.  The cable drive can also act as the tether and since the bottom is anchored to the ground the kite does not have to lift the full weight of the tether.

If we assume as Andrew does that we require double the X-Prize requirement then we require a water flow of 4 M3 /day.  If we have a rope diameter of 0.5 cm surrounded by a sponge of thickness 0.35 cm (OD 1.2 cm).  If the sponge can hold 50% of its volume of water then it can hold 0.05 lit/M when saturated.  At a rope speed of 1.0 M/sec, we can transfer about 4 M3 /day to the ground.

Is this a viable option, or am I all wet?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23362 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/28/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/
Let's also figure the evaporation loss in such an exposed wet spongy sheath.  How wet will be the sponge at the squeegee point? Biologic growth in the sponge? Life of the sponge?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23363 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 1/29/2018
Subject: Re: Shlumberger in AWE (KPS's Houston-based investor)
Amen!
Thanks, DaveS; and A very prosperous 2018 to all in Jesus' Name. Amen.
Best personal regards.

John Adeoye  Oyebanji   B.Sc. MCPN
Managing Consultant & CEO
Hardensoft International Limited
<Technologies




 

JohnO,

Great to hear from you. You have been missed! Hoping all is well in your life.

Yes, kPower's low-complexity "Cinderella strategy" (aka "born in a manger") is naturally slow to attract major financial support, but aims to finish big. Working the KPS-Shlumberger/Houston angle may be a path forward, since KPS by itself is not motivated to do M&A with peers, but is beholden to its backers. We do not forget Wubbo lived in Houston, to train as an astronaut, effectively becoming a Texan (and citizen of the world).

There are two kPower biz news items to report-

- kPower has been invited to present AWE to the UTexas Business School in early 2018, which could lead to a real business team (not just kite experts). kPower is also being actively shopped around Austin's formidable tech start-up venture culture. We were considered the best pitch ever made to Austin's House of Genius, two years ago, but contented ourselves with the high praise as we continued just testing, testing, testing.

- Roy Mueller (Jalbert's Aerology Labs) recently reached out to kPower to propose a merger. Roy may even move to Texas, since Boca Raton, Florida, is no longer the best place to develop kite tech as when Jalbert was alive. Roy brings first-class kite design and build to kPower, the very great spirit of Jalbert himself.

As kPower finally gains serious investment traction, you will be one of the first hired in an AWE business executive capacity. Let us endure to that happy juncture.

Cheers,

daveS

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On Sun, 12/17/17, Hardensoft International Limited hardensoftintl@yahoo.com [AirborneWindEnergy] <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AWES] Re: Shlumberger in AWE (KPS's Houston-based investor)
To: airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 17, 2017, 8:42 AM


 









Maybe
kpower needs to put more resources and focus into her
marketing efforts.So much prospect applications that I
wonder why no major fiancial investor/partner
yet.Very best wishes in the coming
year(s). 









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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23364 From: dave santos Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: "Boundless Wonder"- AKA Director Nic O'Neill's TED Talk
Separating out Nic's magical narrative from JoeF's other TED kite-subject threads; she really understands kites directly and mystically- first as a child taken up accidentally, later even witnessing the lame walk again, lately noticing the promise of AWE (including paravane energy), and so many other miracles, the ordinary made extraordinary. The confirmations continue to mount, that Tako Kichi ("kite madness" in Japanese) is real; a sort of divine madness, a contagious source of happiness nearing epidemic proportions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qADGVBNxfQ

51 likes to zero dislikes is quite a feat; hey, even the Net trolls must be in flight...
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23365 From: dave santos Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Air HES http://airhes.com/
The core kite sponge idea is proven by Polynesian tradition, and a sponge-loop would surely work, even if not optimal. The sponge-kite arch-loop is in this concept space. Major limiting conditions include altitude and phase timing. Ideally, we want to reach high, gather water efficiently, with low loss and little cycle time just transporting water down and returning the sponge media. This is hard to accomplish effectively. A hose lets water fall fast with low loss, as a baseline method, and we have figured out the hose need not be pressurized, and so can be low pressure (but no potential energy harvested). Sponges can stay aloft and be squeezed there. The question is begged whether fog-mesh or sponge or some hybrid is best. Once again, mass scaling probably dominates, and the most water harvest for the least flying mass seems best.

A novel property of a sponge loop harvesting mist aloft is that once a heavy side emerges (broken symmetry in physics), the loop will drive itself indefinitely, as long as wind and mist persist. This would be a novel demo to inspire students to think about seemingly endless possible kite methods, some of which will change the world.

kPower did lift a gallon of water with 100ft of tubing by kite around 2013. The resulting high-pressure jet-flow so simply created was quite magical. Recalling here the usefulness of high pressure water to conserve water for washing (Bucky Fuller reputedly washed a family of four with less than a cup of water, using pressure) and other uses (even pressure cutting, if truly high altitude water columns were created). This sort of capability is a typical Open-AWE_IP-Cloud specialty.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23366 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: "Boundless Wonder"- AKA Director Nic O'Neill's TED Talk
​Special notes regarding her special talk: 


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23367 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: AWE served by creativity
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23368 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: AWE served by creativity
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23369 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Kitewinder laureate of the French network « Entreprendre »
Kitewinder has received some recent press and investments. 

I enjoy their "Your fun energy" 
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23370 From: dave santos Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: [AWES] Kitewinder laureate of the French network « Entreprendre
Congratulations to Olivier and Kitewinder Team for the first fully developed AWES product in history. The prize is richly deserved, since its quite a challenge to create a quality product so far beyond the many crude prototypes folks have done over the years. Kitewinder has beaten many far better funded ventures to market by their superior engineering sense of the practical state-of-the art.

Ordinary users will now be able to discover AWE via the KiteWinder, which no doubt that will inspire much more progress. While French AWE developers have seemed strangely under-represented in the global R&D community, the Kitewinder proves France is really at the fore of this new branch of aviation, and could lead us all further.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23371 From: dave santos Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: "Boundless Wonder"- AKA Director Nic O'Neill's TED Talk
Here's a Nic AWE quote matching a sentiment long felt and reported on the Forum, that there is a mysterious hidden kite-world that most AWE developers are missing-

"I was surprised to discover that there really wasn’t any (TED) talks about kite flying*. There is one about kites being used for renewable energy and power generation by Saul Griffith, and it was informative and a good talk. But, it hardly scratched the surface of what those in the kite community know is the full potential of kite flying. "

We have been exploring many years to grasp "the full potential of kite flying", and reconcile it to aerospace engineering, and still only find "boundless wonder"(!)

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* She is talking about elite classic and hobby kite flying reality. We know of a handful of TED AWE talks, but they fall short of the "boundless wonder" criteria. We have had some inspired speakers; Wubbo comes to mind, in his AWEC2011 keynote.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23372 From: dave santos Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: KGM1 wins new AEN Investment
Congratulations to Marco Ghivarello and team for securing KGM1 follow-on funding to continue AWES development at the 10-20kW scale. Italy is a pioneer in AWE, with top R&D talent, so good news is well deserved-

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6364578475247960064
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23373 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Minesto's paravane anchor major part delivered

Gravity Base Structure Delivered as Minesto Progress Towards Holyhead Deep Installation
STOCKHOLM, Feb 1, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- The gravity base structure foundation for Minesto's first commercial-scale installation of its Deep Green technology has been delivered. The structure was floated on the River Mersey on Wednesday to mark a milestone for Minesto's operations in Wales and ..

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23374 From: dave santos Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Kite Principle Identified in Convective Cells
We have tracked the topological kite principle into many previously unidentified analogs of kites. The fun began when JoeF long ago noted that a glider with its internal CG mass shares fundamental topological dynamic similarity with a classical kite and its Earth anchor. In effect the glider's mass gravitationally attracted to Earth is a tether dynamic. Earth itself, or any opposed anchor, is itself a quasi-kite mirror anti-particle, and the reasoning continues so. The kite principle is here identified in canonical convection cells. This is the most radical interpretation since the weird finding that the world's kiters all fly tethered together to the Earth quasi-kite.

Consider an ordinary cumulus cloud convection cell; below the visible cloud is typically a long invisible convective tail "anchored" to the Earth surface. The long tail of lower pressure is twisted and braided and extended between the surface and convective cap. A tornado is the most dramatic rope-like tether. The wind gradient pushes the top of the formation downwind, in a "kite angle". If the convection is anchored to terrain or warm negative-albedo surface features, a cell stays in place; otherwise a cell can drag its ghostly anchor along. The buoyant forces vary as latent heat of condensation and insolation vary, but kytoon dynamics are common. Convection cells in any fluid medium have basic kite dynamics and a cell can also be created in mid-air between two opposed caps vortically tethered, much like Wayne German's ideal tethered wing pair. More complex network topologies occur naturally or can be engineered.

Kite ideas are therefore imported into general fluid dynamics. A kite made of pure fluid dynamics is about as far as the "kites everywhere" line of abstraction can go before ending with Newton's Third Law, a kite made of pure thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection_cell
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23375 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto's paravane anchor major part delivered
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23376 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto's paravane anchor major part delivered
Drawing one's text for the record and discussion:
==============================================


DG500 PROJECT SET-UP

1. Power plant including upper part of top joint. 

2. Power Transfer Fastening (PTF): Tether, bottom joint and umbilical. 

3. O&M-bespoken vessel including  Launch and Recovery System (LARS). 

4. Foundation - Gravitational Base Structure (GBS). 

5. Micro Grid System (MGS) and MGS buoy. 

=================================================

My editorial notes: 

The involved paravane power-generating project of Deep Green by Minesto is a kite system of the flygen sort with electricity generator in the wing that flies in the water stream; the opposing anchor (GBS) settles fixedly with the Earth at the water-body bed.  The single-line kite may have a complex tether. Impeller is carried by the dynamic wing. Turbine: impeller is close-coupled by axial shaft to an electric generator also carried by the dynamic wing. The generated electricity is routed down the kite-system's tether and then through a long umbilical to a grid system; ultimate purpose of the electricity is to serve the needs of life on Earth. 

One would need to carefully study patent claims to discover detail-technical novelties. The general scheme of a water-based flygen kite system is in public domain.

Not shown in the first drawing are the ways and means to warn swimmers, SCUBA divers, submarine vessels, fishing operations, sea-surface vessels, etc. that the flygen may be operating below the water surface. 

The details of the DG500's electrical system and its safety aspects should be interesting. What will be the failure modes of the electrical system? What could go wrong and what injuries might be possible upon various failures? 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23377 From: dave santos Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Minesto's paravane anchor major part delivered
We begin to see detailed operational complexities, like how the surface O&M vessel must be able to repair or retrieve a deep-water failure. Do divers or a ROV go down? Does the unit perhaps float up to the surface? Should there be a reel at the base to raise and lower the unit to and from the surface? Did Minesto work out all these details in small prototypes, or are they improvising still, at large scale? Such details strongly impact cost, both in R&D and in final deployment.

JoeF is correct that so much prior paravane art is known that patent rights will not give Minesto a blocking monopoly, only protection against direct copying of their specific architecture. The greatest design risk to any venture in bleeding-edge aerospace is a wrong architectural down-select, just like an early-success airplane company stuck making pioneering biplanes with open cockpits, as newcomers with fresh investment adopt more optimal architectures.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 23378 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Minesto seeks launch-and-recovery assistive vessel