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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 219 From: christopher carlin Date: 8/20/2009
Subject: Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 220 From: spiralairfoil Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 221 From: harry valentine Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: FW: Quasiturbine - Stanford: The top 10 energy sources

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 222 From: harry valentine Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 223 From: Dan Parker Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 224 From: Grant Calverley Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Quasiturbine - Stanford: The top 10 energy sources

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 225 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Joby Energy, Inc.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 226 From: Darin Selby Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: the best KISS ever?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 227 From: dave santos Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: KISS, A-Frame Tether to Selby See-Saw

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 228 From: brooksdesign Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: KISS, A-Frame Tether to Selby See-Saw

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 229 From: harry valentine Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: KISS, A-Frame Tether to Selby See-Saw

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 230 From: Darin Selby Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: on Imagination and persistence

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 231 From: dave santos Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: No Stinkin' Gearboxes- Tri-Tether as Power Up/Down Converter

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 232 From: lgroner Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Widulum: Video on a wind driven piezoelectric generator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 233 From: harry valentine Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: FW: Multiaxial Stiched Fabrics and Glsssfiber Direct Roving,CSM - ki

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 234 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Gary Dean Ragner and his U.S. Patent 6523781

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 235 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Baseload Energy, Inc.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 236 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Ampyx Power

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 237 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Highestwind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 238 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 239 From: dave santos Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 240 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 241 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highest Wind + a teeter-totter lever

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 242 From: harry valentine Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 243 From: Gabriele Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Highest Wind + a teeter-totter lever

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 244 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Highest Wind + a teeter-totter lever

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 245 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 246 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/3/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 247 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ampyx Power

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 248 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/4/2009
Subject: Re: Ampyx Power kite/plane photo

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 249 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 250 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 251 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 252 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 253 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 254 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/5/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 255 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 256 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Ampyx Power kite/plane photo

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 257 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 258 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 259 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution [1 Attachment]

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 260 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 261 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 262 From: harry valentine Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: diodes and airborne wind power

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 263 From: Conrad OHO Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: diodes and airborne wind power

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 264 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: diodes and airborne wind power

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 265 From: Dave Lang Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: diodes and airborne wind power [1 Attachment]

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 266 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 267 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 268 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/6/2009
Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 219 From: christopher carlin Date: 8/20/2009
Subject: Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics
Dear Dave,

As I was taught the phrase it's "Keep it simple stupid". However it's the first three words which are important.

Regards, 

Chris
On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Darin Selby wrote:


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 220 From: spiralairfoil Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics
We changed that at Woodstock so long ago, to" Keep it simply sacred"




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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 221 From: harry valentine Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: FW: Quasiturbine - Stanford: The top 10 energy sources

 

From: info@quasiturbine.com
To: info@quasiturbine.com
Subject: Quasiturbine - Stanford: The top 10 energy sources
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:55:10 -0400

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 222 From: harry valentine Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics
KISS - Keep It Simple & Straightforward
 
Harry
 

To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
From: spiralairfoil@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:58:14 +0000
Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics

 

We changed that at Woodstock so long ago, to" Keep it simply sacred"

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 223 From: Dan Parker Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics
I like it Harry! That's simple and straight forward.
 

To: airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com
From: harrycv@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:02:08 +0000
Subject: RE: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics

 
KISS - Keep It Simple & Straightforward
 
Harry
 

To: AirborneWindEnergy@ yahoogroups. com
From: spiralairfoil@ hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:58:14 +0000
Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy ] Re: Kite Vibes- AWE Flight Dynamics

 

We changed that at Woodstock so long ago, to" Keep it simply sacred"

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 224 From: Grant Calverley Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Quasiturbine - Stanford: The top 10 energy sources
Harry,
Fantastic article. It is just the sort of information and facts I have been looking for.
Thanks a bunch for sharing it.
Grant Calverley


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 225 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Joby Energy, Inc.
Thread open on Job Energy, Inc.
founded by JoeBen Bevirt
http://www.energykitesystems.net/JobyEnergy/index.html
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 226 From: Darin Selby Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: the best KISS ever?

"Keepin' It Self-Sufficient"

To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
From: grant@sanjuantimberframes.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:16:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [AirborneWindEnergy] FW: Quasiturbine - Stanford: The top 10 energy sources

 

Harry,
Fantastic article. It is just the sort of information and facts I have been looking for.
Thanks a bunch for sharing it.
Grant Calverley





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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 227 From: dave santos Date: 8/21/2009
Subject: Re: KISS, A-Frame Tether to Selby See-Saw
No offense is ever incurred by invoking KISS. Account for stupidity & you won't be sorry. The fatal mistake is to forget how stupid we are at frontiers. Stupid is the new cool.
 
Below are links to recent (dinky) DIY KISS AWE demo jpeg & mpeg, a Membrane Wing-Mill from a clothes hanger, an A frame tether, a bit of tape, some string, a spring N-scale load cell, & a tree.
 
 
KISS Rocks, KISS Rules... (KRKR)
 
 
 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 228 From: brooksdesign Date: 8/22/2009
Subject: Re: KISS, A-Frame Tether to Selby See-Saw

As a would be inventor and observer of inventors of the past I have noticed most of the biggest advancements were made by amateurs that were told it could not be done by the so called experts. Fortunaly for all of us that they were too stupid to know it was impossable so they did it anyway. Just because some expert tells you it is impossable is no reason not to try. Even failure is a learning experience.

-brooks


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 229 From: harry valentine Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: KISS, A-Frame Tether to Selby See-Saw
Thomas Edison and Henry Ford only had grade school level educations. Look at what they achieved. Bill Gates dropped out of university and founded Microsoft.
 
 
Harry
 

To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
From: brooksdesign@peoplepc.com
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:04:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: KISS, A-Frame Tether to Selby See-Saw

 

As a would be inventor and observer of inventors of the past I have noticed most of the biggest advancements were made by amateurs that were told it could not be done by the so called experts. Fortunaly for all of us that they were too stupid to know it was impossable so they did it anyway. Just because some expert tells you it is impossable is no reason not to try. Even failure is a learning experience.
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 230 From: Darin Selby Date: 8/23/2009
Subject: Re: on Imagination and persistence
I know what you are trying to say, that imagination and persistence with believing in our dreams, eventually brings them to pass.  

But what kind of dreams are we dreaming?  And, what is the real reason behind us dreaming them?  When they do finally come to pass in our tomorrows, what expense will it be to others and to the environment?  

It is not just that we should have dreams, and then pursue them intensely.  That's only part of it.  If we don't allow ourselves to frequently check in to see just how Nature is going about doing what we are trying to do, it'll just be another nightmare for future generations to have to deal with.  

I am surprised that Tesla wasn't mentioned.  He was a true original thinker, who had a sincere desire to make the world a better place to live in.  Many inventions of his were taken, and  changed from the way that he wanted them to be operated.  His inventing process wasn't about getting rich off of the backs of many others.  For instance, he even forgave a huge debt owed to him, which would've bankrupted Westinghouse to pay it back.

These three inventors who were mentioned, pursued their dreams because of their love of money, and the intense desire to get very rich.  We are now experiencing, environmentally-speaking, its poison fruit from a long-forgotten blossumtime.       

For instance, Edison was a businessman turned inventor.  I read where he regularly stole the ideas of his employees, and then took the credit for them. http://ty.rannosaur.us/5-geniuses-who-were-massive-assholes/

Would you want to be remembered for an innovative invention that is presently destroying the environment at an alarming rate, several generations hence?  Remember, the car does not work very well without toxic tires and smothering asphalt.  

Sure, with every invention, new problems will arise that were unforeseeable.  Such as the seeming "green" invention of the windfarm.  
Why did this "unforeseeable" event happen?  Because the businessmen inventors had $$ signs clouding their environmental vision.

Obviously, the best inventors are the ones who are practicing Christ-like qualities.  Or, their seemingly hidden "mental diet" will eventually show up in their outer manifestations.  Imagine if corporations would screen inventors this way when giving job interviews?

It's an oxymoron to say, "Peace-time rocketry" or, "Peacetime nuclear power".  All we have to do is observe their modern-day effect upon the environment, to see that the war has not ended.  It only changed form.  That is how a parasite is able to remain alive in its host, and thereby remain undetected (enter "Operation: Paper Clip").http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

It is interesting to see that Bill Gates is now wanting to use technology to heal technology's woes.  Coal-fired plants have powered the factories churning out the plastics and parts needed to build each computer over the last three decades.  Coal pollution, with its mercury migration, is environmental enemy #1.  Plus it is affecting the weather patterns.  

It's estimated that the amount of computer trash would fill the size of L.A. 20 miles high! 
So, here is a "counter-measure" that Gates wants to implement, when the "shit hits the fan": 

What is the solution to all of the enviornmental pollution?  Many of these technologies are innately designed to have a very strong grip on our day-to-day lives...when we start to give them our attention.  So, I believe that the answer lies in the concept of, after now taking two steps forward, to take one step back.  Unlovely states will die for want of attention.  

We understand the basic technologies that have transformed our lives into what they presently are.  Now how can we transform them into a truly workable and sustainable system? The master template would be to follow a completely decentralized way of being.  It is where the individual is empowered to accomplish the basic survival needs, all by their own hand.

I believe this is where we are all eventually heading.  How can we have our cake and eat it too?  So, when we get in our cars, turn on the toaster, fly in a plane, turn on the computer, we can now do so with a mindfulness, as opposed to mindlessness.  There is a purpose to us daily using these "tools", and that is to eventually not have to use them!  That is, not in their present-day form.  

The main question is, how's Nature doing what we are trying to do, yet doing it in a sustainable way?  The branch of science that is focused upon this change, is called, "Biomimicry".  So, imagination and persistence is certainly the key, though Nature must always remain the head teacher, and remain our constant guide for implementing all of our dreams.  Here is a good link to see what I mean: http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS316US316&sourceid=chrome&q=biomimicry+images&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=WqORSpHzPMOSlAf25_CjDA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1


 

To: airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com
From: harrycv@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:37:44 +0000
Subject: RE: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: KISS, A-Frame Tether to Selby See-Saw

 
Thomas Edison and Henry Ford only had grade school level educations. Look at what they achieved. Bill Gates dropped out of university and founded Microsoft.
 
 
Harry
 


To: AirborneWindEnergy@ yahoogroups. com
From: brooksdesign@ peoplepc. com
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:04:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [AirborneWindEnergy ] Re: KISS, A-Frame Tether to Selby See-Saw

 
As a would be inventor and observer of inventors of the past I have noticed most of the biggest advancements were made by amateurs that were told it could not be done by the so called experts. Fortunaly for all of us that they were too stupid to know it was impossable so they did it anyway. Just because some expert tells you it is impossable is no reason not to try. Even failure is a learning experience.
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 231 From: dave santos Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: No Stinkin' Gearboxes- Tri-Tether as Power Up/Down Converter
Cooperative IP Disclosure
 
A Tri-Tether is rigged such that two legs, A & B, are set out almost in-line. The third leg, C, runs out orthogonal to AB. Tensioning between AB pulls on C at a higher speed with longer travel, effectively performing the function of an amplifier, transformer, or gearbox.
 
Gearboxes have always been an expensive & vulnerable part of power mechanics. Improved HAWTs are converging on gearless designs with large annular diameter generators that generate usefully at low rpm. John Borsheim of ATEC & KLD, partners with KiteLab in Austin, are leaders in this movement.
 
The Tri-Tether Power Converter helps bridge the gap between slow cheap kite power & gearless generation velocities. Its minimal rigid structure is the ground itself; small anchors & pulleys are the only hardware required. It runs both ways & can be cascaded, is vastly cheaper & lighter than gearboxes & so is inherently flyable or could be nicely strung over valleys or off structures.
 
KRKR

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 232 From: lgroner Date: 8/25/2009
Subject: Widulum: Video on a wind driven piezoelectric generator
http://www.ideaconnection.com/innovation-videos/104-the-windulum.html

Interest concept. Not much detail or quantification.

Lou Groner
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 233 From: harry valentine Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: FW: Multiaxial Stiched Fabrics and Glsssfiber Direct Roving,CSM - ki
Fabrics for kites
 

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:21:17 +0900
From: yccarbon9@unitel.co.kr
Subject: Multiaxial Stiched Fabrics and Glsssfiber Direct Roving,CSM

Subj :  Multiaxial Stiched Fabrics and Glsssfiber Direct Roving,CSM

Dear, Sir
We are pleased to infrom new Carbon, Aramid and Glasfiber fabric as followings.
We hope you may be interested in our products.

Multiaxial Stiched Fabrics ( Carbon and glassfiber fabric) :
    a) Uni-Axial        b) Bi-Axial       c) Double Bias      d) Tri-Axial      e) Quadri-Axial

Glassfiber Roving
      1. Direct Rovings, 1200tex, 2000tex, 2200tex, 2400tex, 4400tex, 4800tex,
      2. Glass Roving for SMC 2400tex, 4400tex, 4800tex
      3. Glass Roving for chopped strand mat 2400tex
      4. Spray up Roving 2400tex
      5. Woven Roving 100G/M2--800G/M2

CSM (chopped strand mat) : 300, 450, 600g/sqm ( Emulsion or powder type )

CS (chopped strand ) : 4.5mm, 6mm, 12mm
Glassfiber yarn :    ECD Grade 450 1/0 and 900 1/0
                              ECG 150 1/0 0.7Z EC9-33 1X0 Z28 620
                              ECG 75 1/0 0.7Z EC9-68 1X0 Z28 620

3K Carbon Fabric :  200g/m2 ~ 400g/m2 Plain, Twill , Satin are available


Carbon Black Coating Fibreglass fabric : YC-533 Silver available.
This is Fibreglass fabric, alternatives for carbon Fabric.
We now produce Glassfiber fabric similar external appearance with carbon Fabric.

Model No

Thickness

Weight

Color

Weave

YC-318 Balck

0.18mm

200 g/m2±
5 g/m2

Black

Twill(2x2)
& Plain available

YC-533 Balck
and
Silver 

 0.33mm

325 g/m2
±5 g/m2

Black
Silver

Twill(2x2)
& Plain available

YC-7500 Balck

  0.24mm

305 g/m2
±5 g/m2

Black

Twill(2x2)
& Plain available


Carbon fiber 3k, 6k, 12k , 24k and 50k  are available
      3K : 500gms per bobbine.   We can supply 3,000kg per month.     6K : 1kg per bobbine ,        We can supply 3,000kg per month.    12K : 4kg per bobbine,        We can supply 5,000kg per month.    24K : 4kg per bobbine,        We can supply 5,000kg per month.    50k : 5.5kg per bobbine,      We can supply 5,000kg per month.

Chopped carbon Fiber 3mm , 6mm, 8mm and 12mm

Type

Uesd yarn

Chopping
length

Weight

MOQ

For Thermosetting
( No sizing)

Toho 12k
Yarn

3mm

20kg /
1 box

100kg
(5boxes)

6mm, 8mm, 12mm

For Thermoplasticity
(Sizing)

Toho 12k
Yarn

3mm

20kg /
1 box

100kg
(5boxes)

6mm, 8mm, 12mm

 
Vectran fiber and vectran fiver waste (Similar Aramid) waste

Kevlar /Twaron Dipping Yarn and  Kevlar /Twaron Dipping Yarn Waste

Nylon Tire Cord

Carbon UD fabric : 150g and 160gm2 are also available

Product Name

Fiber Type

Fiber Strength
(Mpa)

Fiber Stiffness
(Gpa)

Areal Weight
(g/m2)

Fabric Thickness
(mm)*

Style

YC-N200

high strength carbon

4900

230

200

0.111

Woven UD

YC-N300

high strength carbon

4900

230

300

0.166

Woven UD


Kevlar UD fabric : Kevlar 49 yarn is also available

Product Name

Fiber Type

Fiber Strength
(Mpa)

Fiber Stiffness
(Gpa)

Areal Weight
(g/m2)

Fabric Thickness
(mm)*

Style

YC-A280

Kevlar

2880

100

280

0.194

Woven UD

YC-A415

415

0.288

Woven UD


Aramid Fabrics for Bulletproof

Code No.

Weaving
Methods

Width

Constrution
(25m/m)

Thickness

Weight

m/m

Warp

Fill

m/m

g/m2

YC-9020

Plain

1020

13

13

0.4

360

YC-9022

Plain

1020

21

21

0.2

200

YC-9917

Plain

1270

17

17

0.49

490

YC-9921

Plain

1270

21

21

0.27

275


Carbon UDPP fabric

Code Name

CF

Resin

ResinContent

Total

Thickness

Wt(g/m²)

Wt(g/m²)

(%)

Wt(g/m²)

(mm)

 

 

 

 

 

 

CP 050NS

55

36

40 ± 2

91

0.060

CP 075NS

75

46

38 ± 2

121

0.080

CP 100NS

100

52

34 ± 2

152

0.098

CP 125NS

125

64

34 ± 2

189

0.123

CP 150NS

150

77

34 ± 2

227

0.148

CP 175NS

175

90

34 ± 2

265

0.172

CP 200NS

200

103

34 ± 2

303

0.197

CP 250NS

250

129

34 ± 2

379

0.246



Looking forward to hearing your good results.
Very truly yours
 
Richard

You Chang Carbon Co., Ltd.  Tel:+82-2-408-0670 Fax :+82-2-408-0671
No.405, Woo Jung Building, 8-1, Garak-dong, Songpa-gu, Seoul, Korea
http://www.yccarbon.com  http://www.ycglassfiber.com   



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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 234 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 8/27/2009
Subject: Gary Dean Ragner and his U.S. Patent 6523781

Gary Dean Ragner and his U.S. Patent 6523781
Inventor Gary Dean Ragner gave a disclosure document to patent office in 1998.
U.S. Patent 6523781 Axial-mode linear wind-turbine.
This thread could discuss
Patent number: 6523781
Filed date: Aug 29, 2001
Issued date: Feb 25, 2003
Application number: 9/941,337
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=KhwNAAAAEBAJ

[ ] He has an emphasis in claims on "axial"  that might be interesting to discusss.

And more.

Gary apparently holds 16 or more patents.
http://www.patentgenius.com/inventedby/RagnerGaryDeanGainesvilleFL.html

 

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 235 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Baseload Energy, Inc.

Baseload Energy, Inc.

 Baseload Energy

Open for discussion on this AWE corporation!    Welcome Baseload Energy, Inc.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 236 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 8/28/2009
Subject: Ampyx Power

 Ampyx Power

Welcome AWE member
Bas Lansdorp, CEO of Ampyx Power.

Discussion and news are invited to this thread.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 237 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Highestwind
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 238 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind
"Site requirements, 180 acres"


To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
From: spiralairfoil@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:17:02 +0000
Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Highestwind

 


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 239 From: dave santos Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind
Wow, so many new AWE start-ups. Dimitri has done an excellent job conceptualizing a system. The scale is workable & the generator is properly ground-based. Darin is right about AWE systems in general, they require land proportionate to tether scope for long term operation.
 
This concept is especially exciting for temporary use at remote sites. One key problem is launching from ground wind, which will need to be stiff, like 
 
Good Luck Highestwind!


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 240 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 241 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highest Wind + a teeter-totter lever
What about using an ajustable teeter-totter lever to store the energy as it ascends, so that gravity can be put to work to generate electricity on the descent?

And how can this be accomplished on an area much less than 180 acres, as it mentions for "system requirements"?  ~Darin


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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 19:04:42 +0000
Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Highestwind

 


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 242 From: harry valentine Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Re: Highestwind
Excellent for remote locations and small offshore islands.
 
Harry
 

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From: darin_selby@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:22:20 +0000
Subject: RE: [AirborneWindEnergy] Highestwind

 
"Site requirements, 180 acres"


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From: spiralairfoil@ hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:17:02 +0000
Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy ] Highestwind

 


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 243 From: Gabriele Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Highest Wind + a teeter-totter lever
How do you plan to wound back the tether when the kite descends ?



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 244 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/2/2009
Subject: Re: Highest Wind + a teeter-totter lever
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    You know, after giving it much thought, you are right.  The missing ingredient is ANOTHER kite that is in opposition to the first kite.  Not my idea by a longshot.  If someone's going to take up 180 acres to do this, they might as well not skimp in the process, eh?  ~Darin


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    From: gb2910@gmail.com
    Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:06:59 +0200
    Subject: Re: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Highest Wind + a teeter-totter lever

     
    How do you plan to wound back the tether when the kite descends ?






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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 245 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/3/2009
    Subject: Re: Highestwind
    --- In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, "spiralairfoil" <spiralairfoil@... [Moderator comment: With permission, the following was intended for the group:]
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 246 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/3/2009
    Subject: Re: Highestwind
    --- In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, "joe_f_90032" <joefaust333@... Hi Dimitri Cherny,

    Gotta love the soft landing (Both, you and your bird) I grew up in New Market N.H., would love to stop by for a chat if your availible sometime. All one can say is Welcome aboard.

    What I've been working on --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vSD8z4fzNg&feature=channel_page Dan'l
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 247 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/4/2009
    Subject: Re: Ampyx Power

    Are you familiar with this design?  Your email is required to learn more about it all. http://www.ampyxpower.com/ I gave them mine a few days ago, and they haven't responded yet.  ~Darin

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    From: spiralairfoil@hotmail.com
    Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 18:12:06 +0000
    Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Highestwind

     


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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 248 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/4/2009
    Subject: Re: Ampyx Power kite/plane photo

    here's a little more info with a photo of the kite/plane  http://www.mb.utwente.nl/onderwijs/bachelor/bacheloropdracht/opdrachten/tbk/090127cost_price_modeling_for.pdf

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    To: airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [AirborneWindEnergy] Ampyx Power
    Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 04:49:05 +0000


    Are you familiar with this design?  Your email is required to learn more about it all. http://www.ampyxpower.com/ I gave them mine a few days ago, and they haven't responded yet.  ~Darin

    To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    From: spiralairfoil@hotmail.com
    Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 18:12:06 +0000
    Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Highestwind

     


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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 249 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/5/2009
    Subject: Spiralairfoil Solution
    Hi Folks,

    I have come up with a simple yet eloquent solution, mark this date in time and space.

    1. genny
    2. flexible lite weight shaft {50 ft to high heights}connected directly to genny shaft or gear boxed
    3. Spiralairfoil Earth Spiral connected to end of flexible shaft at the top of Spiralairfoil.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO3WK89BB5Q&feature=channel_page
    4. Bearing/Swivel attached to bottom of Earth Spiral (fixed to bottom of the Earth Spiral)
    5.Lift line attached to inner part of Bearing, other end of lift line attached to flying mattress( Para wing) 100 ft. to infinity.

    Note every thing turns except Tether and Para wing.

    Shoot it down, improve on it, critique very welcomed.

    Thanks Dan'l
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 250 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/5/2009
    Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
    a very nice kinetic sculpture.


    To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    From: spiralairfoil@hotmail.com
    Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:21:01 +0000
    Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Spiralairfoil Solution

     
    Hi Folks,

    I have come up with a simple yet eloquent solution, mark this date in time and space.

    1. genny
    2. flexible lite weight shaft {50 ft to high heights}connected directly to genny shaft or gear boxed
    3. Spiralairfoil Earth Spiral connected to end of flexible shaft at the top of Spiralairfoil. http://www. youtube.com/ watch?v=gO3WK89B B5Q&feature= channel_page
    4. Bearing/Swivel attached to bottom of Earth Spiral (fixed to bottom of the Earth Spiral)
    5.Lift line attached to inner part of Bearing, other end of lift line attached to flying mattress( Para wing) 100 ft. to infinity.

    Note every thing turns except Tether and Para wing.

    Shoot it down, improve on it, critique very welcomed.

    Thanks Dan'l




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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 251 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/5/2009
    Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 252 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/5/2009
    Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

     

    If I am reading you correctly, then:
    Keep it going!

    Have very powerful lifter kite or kites to hold up the torsion lower segment; the upper kite tether does not rotate , as a swivel is at the top of the SpiralFoil where the upper tether attaches. Only the lower torsion section from SpiralFoil on down to torsion-receiving station.    Generator remains in base station.     Some will use LTA kytoon kites, some will use HTA SSK (heavier-than-air single-line kite).  Some will use the modified LTA spiral balloonish devices moved forward by torsion devices outlined by Geoffrey Goeggel  at http://www.hicon.us/gpage7.html and  http://www.hicon.us/gpage16.html   Geoff Goeggel  .   Others will add many sorts of torsion-producing items on the torsion tube or torsion rod segment.    Advanced materials will assist in allowing the torsion sector to be long.

    The high altitude winds can assist in keeping the AWE lofted; however only the winds at the torsion sector are operating to give torsion.

    Fun family of AWE devices will arrive from your suggestion!  Demo could be today. We await another vid from you soon.     

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 253 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/5/2009
    Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
    Attachments :

      How about using two of your spiral airfoils in this way.  One is upside-down on top of the other, and a generator inbetween.  Then you have an opposed-spinning action that cancels the torque on the conductive tether (speaker wire).  I show it being held aloft by a balloon, though a kite will also work.  ~Darin

      To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
      From: joefaust333@gmail.com
      Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 01:38:38 +0000
      Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

       

       
      If I am reading you correctly, then:
      Keep it going!
      Have very powerful lifter kite or kites to hold up the torsion lower segment; the upper kite tether does not rotate , as a swivel is at the top of the SpiralFoil where the upper tether attaches. Only the lower torsion section from SpiralFoil on down to torsion-receiving station.    Generator remains in base station.     Some will use LTA kytoon kites, some will use HTA SSK (heavier-than- air single-line kite).  Some will use the modified LTA spiral balloonish devices moved forward by torsion devices outlined by Geoffrey Goeggel  at http://www.hicon. us/gpage7. html and  http://www.hicon. us/gpage16. html   Geoff Goeggel  .   Others will add many sorts of torsion-producing items on the torsion tube or torsion rod segment.    Advanced materials will assist in allowing the torsion sector to be long.
      The high altitude winds can assist in keeping the AWE lofted; however only the winds at the torsion sector are operating to give torsion.
      Fun family of AWE devices will arrive from your suggestion!  Demo could be today. We await another vid from you soon.     



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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 254 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/5/2009
      Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 255 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
      Hi Joe,
       
              The Patent on the Spiralairfoil calls for many variation in design, including extended long Spiralairfoils, I guess I was a lttle vague in my first description of how the Earth Spiral is attached, in your diagram bellow you've got the Earth Spiral hanging from the line as a Cristmas bulb would hang, which is not correct due to my rather poor fist post, however if you take the top of the Earth Spiral and point it down line heading for the genny, and you connect the bottom of the Earth Spiral up line to the lifter, i.e. so the main shaft is in line and paralell to the line of tension.
               The Genny would have a hollow shaft, the tether line will have a small but rugged lite weight swivel every 500 hundred feet. the winch/ reel will go throught the center of the genny on up the hollow flex shaft,  up to the lifter, a small pulley attached to the lifter(your choice) will then return the line back down to the back end of the Spiralairfoil. By doing above will allow the height of the lifter to be optimized. The genny and reel/winch will be built together so they rotate around 360 degress as needed. Keep in mind that the reel/winch is directly behind the Genny.
                 Again, This based upon one continuos line and not two seperate systems as in you diagram below. There is no problem attaching more then one Spiralairfoil to the Flex drive shaft other then the lack of enough lift.
       
                                                                                                                    Dan'l 

      To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
      From: joefaust333@gmail.com
      Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 04:17:26 +0000
      Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

       


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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 256 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: Re: Ampyx Power kite/plane photo
      Hi Darin,
       
               Yes I saw this one a while back, problematic, not continuos power, hmmm?
       
                                                                                                   Dan'l
       

      To: airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com
      From: darin_selby@hotmail.com
      Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 04:57:11 +0000
      Subject: RE: [AirborneWindEnergy] Ampyx Power kite/plane photo

       

      here's a little more info with a photo of the kite/plane  http://www.mb. utwente.nl/ onderwijs/ bachelor/ bacheloropdracht /opdrachten/ tbk/090127cost_ price_modeling_ for.pdf

      From: darin_selby@ hotmail.com
      To: airbornewindenergy@ yahoogroups. com
      Subject: RE: [AirborneWindEnergy ] Ampyx Power
      Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 04:49:05 +0000


      Are you familiar with this design?  Your email is required to learn more about it all. http://www.ampyxpow er.com/ I gave them mine a few days ago, and they haven't responded yet.  ~Darin

      To: AirborneWindEnergy@ yahoogroups. com
      From: spiralairfoil@ hotmail.com
      Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 18:12:06 +0000
      Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy ] Re: Highestwind

       




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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 257 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
      Hi Joe,

      Yes i do believe you've got it by george, Alas, it boils down to funding for all these concepts to mature into reality but this concept gives continous power and is far simple i.e cost effective. Keep in mind that the Earth Spiral is very rugged and can be dropped and kicked around and abused so if it does come done to land it won't be hurt, please also note that the Earth Spiral design will be nade of carbon composite or epoxy, fiberglass wings, light weight yet rugged. --- In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, "joe_f_90032" <joefaust333@...
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 258 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
      Hi Joe,

      Yes i do believe you've got it by george, Alas, it boils down to funding for all these concepts to mature into reality but this concept gives continous power and is far simple i.e cost effective. Keep in mind that the Earth Spiral is very rugged and can be dropped and kicked around and abused so if it does come done to land it won't be hurt, please also note that the Earth Spiral design will be nade of carbon composite or epoxy, fiberglass wings, light weight yet rugged. --- In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, "joe_f_90032" <joefaust333@...
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 259 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution [1 Attachment]

       Hi Darin
       
               I'm not quite sure just what yah mean, but many varions are possible. If you care to try and explain it a little futher I'm all ears.
       
                                                                                              Dan'l

      To: airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com
      From: darin_selby@hotmail.com
      Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 03:38:50 +0000
      Subject: RE: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Spiralairfoil Solution [1 Attachment]

       
      [Attachment(s) from Darin Selby included below]


      How about using two of your spiral airfoils in this way.  One is upside-down on top of the other, and a generator inbetween.  Then you have an opposed-spinning action that cancels the torque on the conductive tether (speaker wire).  I show it being held aloft by a balloon, though a kite will also work.  ~Darin

      To: AirborneWindEnergy@ yahoogroups. com
      From: joefaust333@ gmail.com
      Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 01:38:38 +0000
      Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy ] Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

       

       
      If I am reading you correctly, then:
      Keep it going!
      Have very powerful lifter kite or kites to hold up the torsion lower segment; the upper kite tether does not rotate , as a swivel is at the top of the SpiralFoil where the upper tether attaches. Only the lower torsion section from SpiralFoil on down to torsion-receiving station.    Generator remains in base station.     Some will use LTA kytoon kites, some will use HTA SSK (heavier-than- air single-line kite).  Some will use the modified LTA spiral balloonish devices moved forward by torsion devices outlined by Geoffrey Goeggel  at http://www.hicon. us/gpage7. html and  http://www.hicon. us/gpage16. html   Geoff Goeggel  .   Others will add many sorts of torsion-producing items on the torsion tube or torsion rod segment.    Advanced materials will assist in allowing the torsion sector to be long.
      The high altitude winds can assist in keeping the AWE lofted; however only the winds at the torsion sector are operating to give torsion.
      Fun family of AWE devices will arrive from your suggestion!  Demo could be today. We await another vid from you soon.     



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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 260 From: spiralairfoil Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
      Hi Joe,

      What I like more, for it's simplicity sake is to attache the lift cable directly to the lifter using bearing/swivel at the top and segmented down the lenght of the lifter line, thus getting ride of the pully and keeping the line simple up ward instead of up to a pully and back down to the back of Spiralairfoil.Better use of weight factoring, one line better then two.Keep in mind the hollow genny/winch/real feed sys.

      Dan'

      Joe, Please note, I'm aware that I've given this one up to the world by annoucing it, in the think tank, I'm comfy with that, as I'm burnt out by the legal beagle stuff, but I do hope whomever uses this concepts remembers it started with Spiralairfoil and when they rake in the doe that they may by grace and not greed kick some back.

      Joe, So any use of this concept is now hereby free to any person/persons or groups whom want to utilize it. There are no conditions. Greed will have a feeding frenzy.


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 261 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
      Hi Joe,
       
              This part I'm not sure of but I was thinking out at sea, where the winds a strong, suppose the lifter and the Spiralairfoil were allowed to float when the breeze dies down suppose the lifter was configed to be floating and up enough to be ready for the next take off, I realize the material list would have to be configed around salt water enviroment.
       
                                                                                           Thank for all you do., Dan'l
       

      To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
      From: joefaust333@gmail.com
      Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 01:38:38 +0000
      Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

       

       
      If I am reading you correctly, then:
      Keep it going!
      Have very powerful lifter kite or kites to hold up the torsion lower segment; the upper kite tether does not rotate , as a swivel is at the top of the SpiralFoil where the upper tether attaches. Only the lower torsion section from SpiralFoil on down to torsion-receiving station.    Generator remains in base station.     Some will use LTA kytoon kites, some will use HTA SSK (heavier-than- air single-line kite).  Some will use the modified LTA spiral balloonish devices moved forward by torsion devices outlined by Geoffrey Goeggel  at http://www.hicon. us/gpage7. html and  http://www.hicon. us/gpage16. html   Geoff Goeggel  .   Others will add many sorts of torsion-producing items on the torsion tube or torsion rod segment.    Advanced materials will assist in allowing the torsion sector to be long.
      The high altitude winds can assist in keeping the AWE lofted; however only the winds at the torsion sector are operating to give torsion.
      Fun family of AWE devices will arrive from your suggestion!  Demo could be today. We await another vid from you soon.     



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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 262 From: harry valentine Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: diodes and airborne wind power
      The kite wing pulling on a spring loaded drum can deliver near steady power as the alternator (AC) or generator (DC) will produce power regardless of direction of rotation. Electrical diodes along with ultra-capacitors can maintain near steady flow of electrical power.
       
       
      Sprags or one-way mechanical clutches that includes a gear or cable-winch reverser mechanism could drive into a flywheel connected to an alternator. The inertia of the flywheel would maintain near steady power flow. The solid-state electrical solution would offer greater long-term reliability.
       
       
      Harry


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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 263 From: Conrad OHO Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: Re: diodes and airborne wind power
      Hi All... My first post to this group. I'm a custom human powered vehicle mechanic and fabricator in Fairfax CA 94930 USA fascinated with the potential simplicity and high steady power of AWE.

      Harry V. wrote:
      "The kite wing pulling on a spring loaded drum can deliver near steady
      power as the alternator (AC) or generator (DC) will produce power
      regardless of direction of rotation. Electrical diodes along with
      ultra-capacitors can maintain near steady flow of electrical power."

      I'll add... It seems in addition, if the Kite/wing is a durable and high speed performance type, and is made to be self launching and landing when wind is too high or too low, it could also be made to automatically fly optimized figure 8 paths to greatly increase swept area and transferred pulling power, while alternating with quick direct recovery paths when aloft and attached to a non conducting spring loaded drum wound durable strong light weight tether... Conrad OHO

      ====================================

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 264 From: Darin Selby Date: 9/6/2009
      Subject: Re: diodes and airborne wind power
      Attachments :
        Thanks for that explanation.  Now I get a clearer picture of it all.  And, because of this clear explanation,  the one thing that I am wondering about at this point, how can the Bernoulli principle be best put to use in this kite generator design for an extra energy-output advantage?  That way, the kite just isn't a big sail in the sky, without any lifting contour to it. 

        If a kite/wing has this special shape for lift, then the spring coil resistance, when belaying out the tether, is overcome by "free energy" that is inherent in the atmosphere, so to speak.  

        When it winds back up, there more torque for more electricity output!  Just look at what this type of wing can lift!  Amazing, eh?  (see attachment photo)  ~Darin


        To: airbornewindenergy@yahoogroups.com
        From: harrycv@hotmail.com
        Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:03:20 +0000
        Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] diodes and airborne wind power

         
        The kite wing pulling on a spring loaded drum can deliver near steady power as the alternator (AC) or generator (DC) will produce power regardless of direction of rotation. Electrical diodes along with ultra-capacitors can maintain near steady flow of electrical power.
         
         
        Sprags or one-way mechanical clutches that includes a gear or cable-winch reverser mechanism could drive into a flywheel connected to an alternator. The inertia of the flywheel would maintain near steady power flow. The solid-state electrical solution would offer greater long-term reliability.
         
         
        Harry



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        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 265 From: Dave Lang Date: 9/6/2009
        Subject: Re: diodes and airborne wind power [1 Attachment]
        Has anyone made an actual quantitative engineering assessment of what kind of power levels a "spiral scheme" might practically produce?

        DaveL




        At 7:51 PM +0000 9/6/09, Darin Selby wrote:
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 266 From: Dan Parker Date: 9/6/2009
        Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
         Hi Joe,
         
                The Diagram you've posted is all wrong. I wish you had contacted me first to make sure that its right, please take off this foolish diagram as it not close to what I'm writing about. Thank you.
         
                                                                                                          Dan'l
         

        To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
        From: joefaust333@gmail.com
        Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 04:17:26 +0000
        Subject: [AirborneWindEnergy] Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

         


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        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 267 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/6/2009
        Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution

        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 268 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 9/6/2009
        Subject: Re: Spiralairfoil Solution
        --- In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, "spiralairfoil" <spiralairfoil@...
        =====================
        Dan,
        It is my understanding that you have applied for a patent. That in itself is an announcement that broadcasts to the world and to the AWE community. By such act you PROTECT any involved originality, not lose protection. Any involved originality gets historically noted by the patent application; others cannot thereafter obtain valid patent claim approval if the patent officers do their jobs. If your patent is approved and if it holds original claims, then those claims are prtectable. Of course, someone may argue that some claim was priorly evident in prior art missed by the patent officer; and some of those kinds of actions win the day. By discussing your patent claims in the open think tank, you do not thereby give away any valid rights to originality and protection rights. The better others might understand your claims, the better the AWE community could stand in support of any originaly rights ... stand on your team, if you will. You need not "throw in the towel" at all. I, for one, will aim to let any originality shine and stand tall to the best of my ability.

        You may or others may ... instruct patent officers and AWE community how some claim is distinct and original; contrast with prior art helps make things clear. The AWE community think tank might be a strong teaming partner for any origianl claimant by clarifying prior art, so that some original claimed art shines strongly as original; then if the original art is worth investing in, then protection effort may also be worth the effort.

        You need not "give away" your protectable rights. Discussing after applying for patent does not do the giveaway. However, if in some way you publish that you do give some original art over to the public domain, then that might effect a giveaway; the manner and forum of such release is a matter best taken up with a intellectual property attorney.

        For myself, I have published that any and all of my ideas regarding kites and AWE are automatically the property of Public Domain; I will never take out a patent. If you ever find an original idea of mine in my ideas, drawings, models, prototypes. working systems, then you are free to use such in any private or commercial manner you please without giving me any recognition or respect for your use of such. That profile need not be the case for others. I am fully excited about people using their protected patent rights to forward ventures; you will find me on your protection team if you have an original claim. Much of what is thought to be first art is not first art; and therein is the tension and struggle. Many patented claims simply would not win if a full contest was comprehensively carried out, as the inventor and even patent officers missed appreciating or knowing of prior art.

        The hang glider's cable-stayed triangle control bar with pilot hung behind the triangle control bar was photographed fact in 1908 in the territory of Breslau showing a member of the gliding club, yet "inventors" galore think that they later were first with such simplicity. No one has made a dime off the triangle control frame either way; that particular functional sub-assembly is not specifically claimed in any mechanical aircraft patent, yet someone way back when, perhaps before the 1908 instatiation, invented the mechanical art that has such high use today in the commercial hang glider market as a control system mechanical arrangement.

        It may take some time before you are confident that I or some other person fully and correctly sees your claims as you do. In the approach of that moment, I take full responsibility for incompleteness. I reach for clarity.

        If some statue of time allows you to retract some possible "giveawy" to public domain, then go for the retraction, if you wish ...under 24 hours ?