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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19260 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Astro Teller podcast on AWE & tech entrepreneurship

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19261 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Compressed Wing. kPower, Inc.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19262 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19263 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19264 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19265 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19266 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19267 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: kPower's "TetraMorph" Groundgen Project

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19268 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19269 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: AWES Hacker's Corner (pneumatic tires in groundgen transmissions)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19270 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: kPower's "TetraMorph" Groundgen Project

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19271 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19272 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: kPower's "TetraMorph" Groundgen Project

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19273 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19276 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: kPower's "TetraMorph" Groundgen Project

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19277 From: dave santos Date: 10/13/2015
Subject: Re: Astro Teller podcast on AWE & tech entrepreneurship

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19278 From: Rod Read Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19279 From: dave santos Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19280 From: Rod Read Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19281 From: dave santos Date: 10/14/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19285 From: dave santos Date: 10/15/2015
Subject: Kitenergy featured on CNBC (video and article)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19286 From: Rod Read Date: 10/15/2015
Subject: servicing AWE the hard way

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19287 From: dave santos Date: 10/16/2015
Subject: IDTechEx analysts continue their AWE drumbeat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19288 From: dave santos Date: 10/16/2015
Subject: Rotary v. Pumping Power AWES review and update

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19289 From: dave santos Date: 10/16/2015
Subject: Duru's wonderful hoverboard

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19290 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/16/2015
Subject: Controlling a tethered sail for marine or other uses

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19291 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
Subject: Re: Controlling a tethered sail for marine or other uses [1 Attachme

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19292 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
Subject: Re: Duru's wonderful hoverboard

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19293 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
Subject: Best overview of Kiteboarding LEI Kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19294 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
Subject: Large COTS Inflated Dropstitch Structural Units for novel AE concept

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19295 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
Subject: US Navy Ship-Towing Manual (industrial traction similarity-case)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19296 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
Subject: Early-Modern Kite-Sailing History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19297 From: dave santos Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: Cross-linked Crosswind Cableways

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19298 From: dave santos Date: 10/18/2015
Subject: Industrial Wire Rope Puller and Carpenter Stop as AWES components

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19299 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/19/2015
Subject: Cable-laying

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19300 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/19/2015
Subject: WO2015094471 (A1) - PATH BASED POWER GENERATION CONTROL FOR AN AER

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19302 From: dave santos Date: 10/19/2015
Subject: Megascale Surge-Forces, Payout and Reclaim of Line, and related Hard

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19303 From: dave santos Date: 10/19/2015
Subject: Re: WO2015094471 (A1) - PATH BASED POWER GENERATION CONTROL FOR AN

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19304 From: dave santos Date: 10/20/2015
Subject: Makani's Motor/Gen Cooling Conundrums

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19305 From: Gabor Dobos Date: 10/20/2015
Subject: Lightest metal ever made is 99,99 % air

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19306 From: dave santos Date: 10/21/2015
Subject: DIY Kite-Electric Hybrid Car Concept

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19307 From: dave santos Date: 10/21/2015
Subject: Microscopic Kite Trains (molecular polymer similarity-case)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19308 From: dave santos Date: 10/21/2015
Subject: Solar-Hydrogen Fuel-cell sUAS (Boeing IFO similarity-case)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19309 From: dave santos Date: 10/22/2015
Subject: Strength-to-weight ratio of tethers of different lengths

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19310 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2015
Subject: Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19311 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: Makani M600 reported as a menace to birds

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19312 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: Daidalos Capital's "Trillion Dollar Drone"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19313 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Large-scale COTS Reuse Potential (mobile groundgen concept)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19314 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: 22m2 Pilot Kites Lashed Together

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19315 From: dave santos Date: 10/28/2015
Subject: Re: 22m2 Pilot Kites Lashed Together



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19260 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Astro Teller podcast on AWE & tech entrepreneurship
http://ecorner.stanford.edu/podcasts.html

Forecasting the Future of Technology Steve Jurvetson, Astro Teller, Christina Smolke, Persis Drell DFJ, [X], and Stanford University 52:30 10-07-15 MP3

Rod Read

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19261 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Compressed Wing. kPower, Inc.

Consider a Compressed wing; uncompress: Presto-Change-OH! .... ready to fly. 

Method: Given to kPower, Inc. by Joe Faust for easy licensing to commercial efforts,  October 12, 2015. Simply ask kPower, Inc., for private non-commercial experimentation of the method for hang glider or kite or powered aircraft.   


The wing is compressed by various means.  Releasing the constraining compression and the structure expands in ambient atmospheric or hydrospheric media to be useful wing in various applications including AWES, kite systems, energy kites, powered aircraft, recreational structures, etc. 


The method inverts the inflatable concept. That is, force deflation of a structure; release the compression system to obtain the structure wanted.  The method for wing is seeded by compressing open-cell foam by a compression machine; take off the compression effort and the foam expands to full form for, say, high jump landing pit material. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19262 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
The Wright ideal is of course higher than the ordinary "full blown standard", but needed mention anyway to refute the naive idea that large amounts of money are required to change the world by means of augmented kites. Kites really is a cheap engineering specialty compared to, say, space exploration.

What is the "greed angle" to withholding publication in Springer on JohnO's behalf? Open AWE is not a stealth venture, so disclosure publication is merely being shifted to venues like the AWES Forum and our web sites, where public access is sooner and cheaper. Springer corp profits itself is the greed-angle, if that's what you seek.

 The greater source of contradiction here is between the hobbyist and professional ethos in AWE. No hobbyist needs so much more money (a GoogleX level of funding), and the hobbyist apparently does not cope well when the pro engineering reality is not all fun. Nevertheless, let the hobbyist do their best within the constraints of that role.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19263 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
rude, greedy, deluded and wasting everyone's time.
Were the Wrights Hobbyist? They never made a commercial success! Even though their ideal aircraft was magically better than the ideals described by current FAA guidelines? deluded!
You have your own agendas, you're not prepared to join in any open work, this topic is lifting nets... You ignore that. Your open standard is a hoarding net of IP. That's not the OSHWA standard. You refuse to publish. Either you have nothing or you're greedy.
Continually re-igniting a slant offered by Roland that my tech was Hobbyist. Which although wrong I don't find insulting. You do, and you band the term about abusively. That's rude.
Stop ruining open AWE


Rod Read

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19264 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
The Wrights in fact did make a fortune, although fighting patent battles in court is not what they are lauded for. They may have started as hobbyists, but did not stay stuck in that role.

What is greedy about the AWES Forum sharing the same content sooner and without charge than would have gone to Springer for commercial publication? At least something is being done for JohnO's cause.

Let the bottle-net represent the counter case...





On Monday, October 12, 2015 9:26 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
rude, greedy, deluded and wasting everyone's time.
Were the Wrights Hobbyist? They never made a commercial success! Even though their ideal aircraft was magically better than the ideals described by current FAA guidelines? deluded!
You have your own agendas, you're not prepared to join in any open work, this topic is lifting nets... You ignore that. Your open standard is a hoarding net of IP. That's not the OSHWA standard. You refuse to publish. Either you have nothing or you're greedy.
Continually re-igniting a slant offered by Roland that my tech was Hobbyist. Which although wrong I don't find insulting. You do, and you band the term about abusively. That's rude.
Stop ruining open AWE


Rod Read

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19265 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
Oh well there you go ... they made a fortune and part of the Hobbyist Wright flier 1903 effort went to the 1st moon landing with a huge budget.
Does anyone get your point?
There isn't one. You're just here to obfuscate the truth.
You block my attempts to keep this thread addressing the topic. Which as described in my available draft chapter is about a tech which can dramatically improve AWES.
You carry on about the plight of John O and never state what exactly your grumble there is... Oh apart from in an email you sent me just over 2 years ago now where you linked and jumbled together some nonsense about slaves, Germany, WW2
This has gone on waaaay too long.

You're trolling AWE Dave Santos
Fuck off somewhere less important.

Rod Read

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19266 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
OSHWA

Open Source Hardware Association

 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19267 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: kPower's "TetraMorph" Groundgen Project
Attachments :
    This is a preliminary note about a multi-disciplinary kPower groundgen scale prototype supporting four-channel WECS input, dubbed the "TetraMorph"; being developed in Ilwaco from two salvaged Nordictrack cores (each leg input is a sprag on a common shaft with a cast-iron bull-wheel). Its an example of how comparative study can be done on-the-cheap, using mostly COTS scrap.

    The compounded structure is fine vintage wood, in a basic working-baroque style that virtually predates SteamPunk esthetics. The unit aims to excite the public at AWEfest, while also advancing the technical state-of-the-art. It should hold its own in an elite art gallery, as a major sculpture; but also, hopefully, in an aviation or wind-tech museum, as a significant pioneering device.

    The serious engineering concept is that four different WECS can be flown together to validate group statistics (like power-smoothing and higher up-time). The unit will be overlaid with modern instrumentation (National Instruments) to generate large data-sets (and give the antiquesque wood-work its sci-fi veneer). Individual WECS designs will be compared in real-time, in the same wind conditions, for faster comparative evaluation. Realistic Kite Farm operational research is expected, just as an elaborate toy train set can faithfully model full-scale operations. 

    The choice of wood honors a past mentor, Ralph Moser*, who told me that if he had his career to do over, he would work in woood. Major components are now coming together in the shop, and photos will be posted soon.

    ----- background to the name -----------

    Naming this machine involved a broad review of mythological objects for a best-match. The name applies not just to the groundgen itself, but the complete AWES with all four channels active.  "Merkabah" lore won out, with the "TetraMorph" derivative being the most apt. Astoundingly, the trove of associated visionary art is a decent stand-in for the pending photos, and the kPower video should be altogether beyond-





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    * He was my invited guest for a UTexas Seminar in robotics, back in the late 80s-
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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19268 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
    Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
    Rod,

    I don't know what quote you reference about WWII, slaves, and so on; much less how it is relevant. 

    The specific complaint is that JohnO is not allowed in the AWEC, BHWE, AWESCO conference planning process on the same basis as figures like PJ and Guido, by the same old clique of insiders that also do Springer books (while Wubbo and Renhart did welcome JohnO's participation, but have sadly moved on from the conference inclusion process. Roland does not explain John'O's exclusion, but does admit it, in AWE documentary interview, as a mistake. If this mistake is being fixed, then expect open-AWE to submit more content than just yours.

    How much more specific a complaint do you need?

    daveS





    On Monday, October 12, 2015 10:55 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
    OSHWA

    Open Source Hardware Association
     
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19269 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
    Subject: AWES Hacker's Corner (pneumatic tires in groundgen transmissions)
    Observant riders of modern aerial trams are familiar with the use of pneumatic tires to accelerate and decellerate gondolas from their moving cableway. The well-proven utility is that tires provide a resilient clutch function that an exclusive use of gears or bullwheels would lack. While this particular case of tires in power transmission seems like only a niche-app, modern civilization in fact moves on tires to a major extent, and Open-AWE R&D keenly involved with cableways and rope driving for low cost and high capability. We are simply not used to seeing tires mounted in fixed locations to process load-motion*, but its the same physics, under Galilean Invariance.

    The kPower "TetraMorph" four-channel groundgen uses a pneumatic tire drive to interface the gen to the WECS (a recycled electric-scooter drive). There was initial concern in our team that such a use was somehow sub-optimal, but the combination of advantages is very compelling. The tire allows switching and mixing of the channels with buffered shock-loads (burning a bit of rubber). An especially neat capability is to vary inflation in order to easily remove impinging components for service. In principle, a small airpump can switch large loads. These feats would be very costly or impractical by gearing alone.

    Conventional clutches are great, but the DIY hacker can draw on the simple pneumatic tire to duplicate or even out-perform specialized clutches in specific uses, especially with low capital-cost designs. Tires promise to scale just as well as any other clutch basis.

    -------------
    * The COTS pneumatic tire app concept was posed on the early Forum in the context of jacking up an electric car on rollers, as an AWES groundgen basis, but not developed as a general ME method. A related megascale concept was posed in the form of giant tire-like  "inflatable gears" for bol-like rim-drive concepts like Pierre's WheelWind.

    Open-AWE_IP-Cloud
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19270 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2015
    Subject: Re: kPower's "TetraMorph" Groundgen Project
    Attachments :

      Is that a lifter wing from Heaven being handed to the project? See attached Ezekiel's Vision art. 

      Four?  Reminds me of the foundation solid of tetrahedron.  Square-off the WECs! Game is on!
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19271 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
      Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
      I was exceptionally rude in my last email. Didn't put you off ... Dave needs the last word.
      Please don't let me resort to operating the ultimate doom word "liar".

      Right so can this get back on topic ? ...hmmm not so far... lets try

      AWESCO are likely to put my lifted nets open hardware chapter in the book. We'll know after peer review, publishing ~April 16 .
      Would that be your mistake fixed or is there a niggley wee flaw there still?

      John O isn't a member of AWEC, BHWE, AWESCO so naturally has nothing to do with their conference planning process.
      As per anyone else...It would be amazing if he could contribute another device/scheme/meeting/forum/ anything to improve AWE.
      Please John any comment on lifted nets.




      Rod Read

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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19272 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
      Subject: Re: kPower's "TetraMorph" Groundgen Project
      Yes JoeF, how uncanny that AWE R&D maps directly to the world's visionary prophetic traditions. Pocock, Lilienthal, the Wrights, Jalbert, (Faust,) and so on, are tangible rungs on an actual ladder-to-heaven of sorts.

      The historical paradox is that the most practical hands-on skills and acute technical judgement are required to truly ascend. The many wonderful traditional visions, from Thunderbirds to Thrones-Volant, vitally frame the engineering work as a sacred quest. The obvious competing paradigm is the venture-capital ethos. "Game is on!", indeed...



      On Monday, October 12, 2015 12:17 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  

      Is that a lifter wing from Heaven being handed to the project? See attached Ezekiel's Vision art. 

      Four?  Reminds me of the foundation solid of tetrahedron.  Square-off the WECs! Game is on!
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19273 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2015
      Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
      Rod,

      There is no objection to calling someone a liar if you can properly prove intent to deceive.

      Your bottle net relates to JohnO in the context of your book chapter and Open-AWE. JohnO has long been honored to represent Open-AWE values in the context of the conferences and books. Don't expect everyone to think you can represent Open-AWE by yourself, using AWEC 2015 as the platform, and now the book.

      Many past conference organizers have not been members of AWEC, BHWE, or AWESCO (Wubbo, Archer, Wade, Faust, JohnO, etc.*). You are at least quite justified to invoke the opposed belief of yours on your own bottle-net thread, given your audience can make the connections between JohnO and your book-chapter representations of Open-AWE, with bottle-nets especially featured,

      daveS


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      * I can't include myself, having briefly been a member in JoBen's AWEC.



      On Monday, October 12, 2015 1:11 PM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
      I was exceptionally rude in my last email. Didn't put you off ... Dave needs the last word.
      Please don't let me resort to operating the ultimate doom word "liar".

      Right so can this get back on topic ? ...hmmm not so far... lets try

      AWESCO are likely to put my lifted nets open hardware chapter in the book. We'll know after peer review, publishing ~April 16 .
      Would that be your mistake fixed or is there a niggley wee flaw there still?

      John O isn't a member of AWEC, BHWE, AWESCO so naturally has nothing to do with their conference planning process.
      As per anyone else...It would be amazing if he could contribute another device/scheme/meeting/forum/ anything to improve AWE.
      Please John any comment on lifted nets.




      Rod Read

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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19276 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2015
      Subject: Re: kPower's "TetraMorph" Groundgen Project
      Attachments :
        Exploring attachment function of forum's program; some methods of showing images seem not to work. 
        Apologies for possible email duplication. 
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19277 From: dave santos Date: 10/13/2015
        Subject: Re: Astro Teller podcast on AWE & tech entrepreneurship
        Virtually zero AWE content. Spare yourselves almost an hour of pure guff, as judged from our RAD perspective. Despite ritual assertions of transparent knowledge culture, GoogleX/Makani remains deeply opaque under its PR gloss.

        A single clue perhaps related to Makani's test stand being set up at Old Alameda Point is Astro's incidental mention of dealing with the US Fish and Wildlife Dept. Its known that Makani's HQ is close to a seabird breeding colony, with active protections. The M600 seems to be the least green of current AWE technologies, by its looming noisy aerobatics and high toxics content. 

        Noting that bird-strikes have the potential to crash the M600, unlike a conventional HAWT. It would not do to scatter such crash debris offshore like the comparable Helios crash, but multiplied to large numbers-
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19278 From: Rod Read Date: 10/14/2015
        Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
        It was obvious to anyone actually at AWEC2015 that I couldn't represent Open AWE by myself ... even if I tried... Which I didn't
        I did organise the only open stall there. After KPower asked I let them spalsh tag their promo all over my work.

        Open is the only way. Which means it's not only to be dominated by 1 persons opinion. Group decisions should rule.
        Which implies every member listening! ! !

        Please take time to consider this topic is lifted nets.
        To get us back on track for a third time I offer this video of lifted ring net dynamics.
        https://youtu.be/ugMFaTPZZ4E

        I don't want the explanation of whatever the previous post was on this topic thanks.
        Don't feel you have to reply unless you can add something new to the research topic.

        There is now a method by which 3d grasshopper development models can be manipulated collaboratively online with only a web-browser as link.
        If anyone has a model they want to tweak live, It might be fun to try.

        Rod Read

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        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19279 From: dave santos Date: 10/14/2015
        Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
        Rod,

        This is about the context in which the Bottle Net finds its place in HWN500/AWESCO dominated books and conferences. No worry if you are unable to properly represent Open-AWE, which was the whole idea behind having JohnO on conference organizing committees, to counter-balance entrenched representatives of the stealth-venture side. It was a vain but reasonable hope that you might have brought balance to the mix, as the sole player from Open-AWE mixing in HWN500/AWESCO's reboot of the AWEC/BHWE lineage. In theory, JohnO would have represented you too, but you don't seem to value that.

        At least we corrected factual misconceptions about whether the Wrights needed more funding than minimal to become AE gods, or whether they made good money on their merits. It was also important to pop the myth that JohnO is rightly excluded from Open-AWE conference representation because he failed to meet an imaginary membership test. Roland is closer to the mark in admitting it was an mistake (still uncorrected).

        Everybody is supportive of the bottle-net you specifically represent, especially to be in a serious test mix; Gordon's Curse predictive or not. It was a mistake to associate the Daisy with kPower at AWEC2015, which is unwelcome news to me, especially to the extent that it may have looked like kPower wrongly represents a premature single AWES architectural down-select, rather than the broadest possible engineering studies.

        Its just sad that years are now passing with Open-AWE wrongly lacking due representation in the contested conferences and books; due to a combination of unjustified social-exclusion and the reactive boycott (never-mind your inability to represent us). The good news is that Open-AWE is a rich public source of alternative technical concepts, even if these concepts are missing in HWN500/AWESCO content. Let Open-AWE ideas progress a bit slower solely on merits, while the early PR-driven players enjoy their moment.

        Part of the sadness is that you are seen as unwittingly serving in a HWN500/AWESCO puppet role by appearing as a weak and isolated outlier, while by contrast they appear sounder and more united than is really the case. Casual participants may ponder the bottle net in passing, but without any real sense of a larger Open-AWE movement on offer,

        daveS





        On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:04 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
        It was obvious to anyone actually at AWEC2015 that I couldn't represent Open AWE by myself ... even if I tried... Which I didn't
        I did organise the only open stall there. After KPower asked I let them spalsh tag their promo all over my work.

        Open is the only way. Which means it's not only to be dominated by 1 persons opinion. Group decisions should rule.
        Which implies every member listening! ! !

        Please take time to consider this topic is lifted nets.
        To get us back on track for a third time I offer this video of lifted ring net dynamics.
        https://youtu.be/ugMFaTPZZ4E

        I don't want the explanation of whatever the previous post was on this topic thanks.
        Don't feel you have to reply unless you can add something new to the research topic.

        There is now a method by which 3d grasshopper development models can be manipulated collaboratively online with only a web-browser as link.
        If anyone has a model they want to tweak live, It might be fun to try.

        Rod Read

        Windswept and Interesting Limited
        15a Aiginis
        Isle of Lewis
        UK
        HS2 0PB

        07899057227
        01851 870878
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19280 From: Rod Read Date: 10/14/2015
        Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

        A git will normally have a point to make Dave.
        You don't.
        But you keep on replying some jumbled rubbish.
        Confusing the issue, blurring the story hurting open hardware.
        Just leave it.

        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19281 From: dave santos Date: 10/14/2015
        Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
        Rod,

        All that is asked is for you to see both sides of the divide. Its fair game to keep trying to help you understand what you still only see as "jumbled rubbish" and "cowering".

        Good luck understanding,

        daveS



        On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:00 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
        A git will normally have a point to make Dave.
        You don't.
        But you keep on replying some jumbled rubbish.
        Confusing the issue, blurring the story hurting open hardware.
        Just leave it.


        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19285 From: dave santos Date: 10/15/2015
        Subject: Kitenergy featured on CNBC (video and article)
        My longtime favorite EU kite-reeling lineage, Kitenergy, as usual, looking sharp on a major news network. Be sure to watch the video for new details and faces. Altaeros gets a bit-mention. Cheers to Stephano and MarioM!
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19286 From: Rod Read Date: 10/15/2015
        Subject: servicing AWE the hard way
        The access we need ? maybe not yet.

        http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/hoverboard-duru-1.3270569

        Rod Read

        Windswept and Interesting Limited
        15a Aiginis
        Isle of Lewis
        UK
        HS2 0PB

        07899057227
        01851 870878
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19287 From: dave santos Date: 10/16/2015
        Subject: IDTechEx analysts continue their AWE drumbeat
        Watching IDTechEx fit together the same puzzle pieces we did; in their ongoing abstracts for high-priced executive reports in fast-cycle evolutionary editions. The AWE presenter line-up for the Nov. IDTechEx conference is also in creative flux. Look for Professor Zou of StonybrookU to crossover from vibration harvesting to pumping AWE apps, in back-to-back conference sessions-

        "That solar power is beginning to be boosted in many ways -replacing brakes in the vehicle with kinetic energy recovery systems (KERS) flywheels, conventional shock absorbers with energy harvesting ones and with regenerative active suspension (RAS) for example. In addition, the external capture of ambient energy just got cleverer with boats creating electricity by capturing wave, tide and wind power not just sunshine. Affordable energy independent vehicles (EIV) will run in bad weather and good, at night and in the day. That is of profound impact on all of us including the third world and remote regions. 

        The new IDTechEx report, Energy Independent Vehicles 2016-2026  gives the full picture. It forecasts what will be truly amazing.   This technology even feeds back into modernising the traditional vehicle with torque assist reversing alternators (TARA), thermoelectrics on the exhaust and RAS. In addition, whether it is houses, vehicles or other facilities, the possibilities are being widened greatly by old technologies reinvented such as wind turbines potentially replaced by kites, tethered drones and turbines in balloons that use one tenth of the materials while accessing the much stronger and more consistent winds just above the noisy expensive rotating blades we see today. Call it airborne wind energy (AWE)."
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19288 From: dave santos Date: 10/16/2015
        Subject: Rotary v. Pumping Power AWES review and update
        Its an old AWES topic, and rather emotional at times, to ultimately understand the relative advantages and optimal selections between rotary and pumping WECS-PTO methods. Both work and even exist side by side in major applications, like transportation and power production, but one or the other tends to be favored in specific domains.

        A recent conceptual advance is to see our carousel and track-loops as rotary (torque-based) AWES topologically similar or equivalent to Harburg's AWES patent. Despite the slow angular momentum, a high-speed load motion is created by groundgen car-units with reels (Pierre's scheme) or car-units with generator wheels (NTS). Similarly, emerging Vibration-Harvesting concepts are being mapped onto AWES megascale pumping schemes. Both principles are advancing.

        Its not possible yet to prove which approach, rotary or pumping, will dominate utility-scale energy, given so many complexities of scaling economics, operational constraints, and so on. Only one firm heuristic comes to mind, that large-scale rotary is favored in highly variable wind directions, and cross-wind pumping is favored with more constant wind direction, due to a cycle-cost to reorient. Either way, in open-AWE at least, the kite-units are cross-linked into integrated mono-structure aloft.

        Airport runway design provides a similarity-case for a pumping kite farm that hosts multiple crosswind cableways. Whatever the wind direction, the appropriate crosswind path is chosen. Just as its proven to be economic to provide extra crosswind runways, its likely economic to provide extra crosswind cableways for a kite farm (cableway runs are cheaper than paved runways). Intriguingly, legacy airports might become kite farm hybrids, with legacy air-traffic landing upwind while kites operate on the crosswind runway.

        A final topological observation is that crosswind cableway loop is but a flattened rotary structure, so there is not much theoretic gap between the two AWES motion paradigms. More analysis and testing is needed to converge on specific optimal designs, and many primitive assumptions will end up discarded. That small semi-rigid AWES driveshafts work, but within severe scaling constraints, seems established by empirical difficulties to scale working prototypes further.

        Open-AWE_IP-Cloud
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19289 From: dave santos Date: 10/16/2015
        Subject: Duru's wonderful hoverboard
        Re-titling the topic for clarity. The era of the hoverboard has indeed arrived, just after GoogleX fatuously declared it too tough. Hats-off to Duru for flights that are comparable to the Wrights in initial distance, and yes, these new boards can land on kite structure while providing "snowshoe" support for payloads. The large overhead rotors typical in the past are no longer the only way to 'copter. DIY "garage" efforts continue to rule pioneering AE. Savor historic video-
        Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19290 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/16/2015
        Subject: Controlling a tethered sail for marine or other uses
        Attachments :

          Attached is a PDF copy.  

          GB2098952A

          Controlling a tethered sail for marine or other uses   

          Priority: 21 May 1981

          Roger Duckworth
          David Chinery

          British Petroleum Company pic


          Also a source for the document: 

          GB2098952 (A)  -  Controlling a tethered sail for marine or other uses


          ===========================================



          		   @@attachment@@
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19291 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
          Subject: Re: Controlling a tethered sail for marine or other uses [1 Attachme
          Interesting early case of Big Oil (BP) trying to become Big Kite in '81, with various other oil-connected instances since (Shell, SABIC, etc). Its the pattern that traditional energy interests do cast about widely in search of the "next big thing", moving excess capital from coal to oil, nukes and wind, in relentless boom-and bust cycles. Its quite likely that AWE will finally emerge at the largest industrial scale directly from legacy energy capital and technical resources, a rather dirty beginning toward a clean end.



          On Friday, October 16, 2015 6:45 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
          [Attachment(s) from joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy] included below]
          Attached is a PDF copy.  
          GB2098952A
          Controlling a tethered sail for marine or other uses   
          Priority: 21 May 1981
          Roger Duckworth
          David Chinery

          British Petroleum Company pic

          Also a source for the document: 

          ===========================================
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19292 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
          Subject: Re: Duru's wonderful hoverboard
          Keep in mind that AWE may be the ideal power source to charge all kinds of electric aircraft, especially aloft, as huge future application beyond niche service roles. A closer look in a local Canadian news video of the hoverboard prototype, which is revealed to be rather crude, as often is the case for a first-ever proof-of-concept, but expect fine versions as imitators proliferate-





          On Friday, October 16, 2015 5:06 PM, dave santos <santos137@yahoo.com
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19293 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
          Subject: Best overview of Kiteboarding LEI Kites
          AWES R&D explores every corner of kite tech, from classic to novel tools and toys, to pro kite-sport tech. Avid kiteboarders spend a lot of time comparing between LEI kite types that outsiders can hardly distinguish. There has been an evolution in recent years from LEI C-kites to bow-kites, with hybrids emerging. Here is on of the best overviews of LEI types, with key bridling details. Note the SLE trend leading to emergence of the fifth-line nose bridle for near-total depower, and the relative importance of power, stability, turning speed and so on, that keeps distinct kite types in play. Valved parafoils are included as a separate class. Not featured are the newest LEI hybrids ("deltas"), as the kiteboarding field continues its rapid evolution.
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19294 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
          Subject: Large COTS Inflated Dropstitch Structural Units for novel AE concept
          Newly available lightweight dropstitch gym-mats can be adapted as wings and aerotectural specialties. An affordable flying house can be built at a surface-unit cost comparable to sport parafoils (~50USD m2). Vast structures can be aggregated, with local inflation failures tolerated. 2m wide is a standard fabric width, with long roll length. Dropstitch material offers tough moderate stiffness (suppressed fabric flapping loss and wear), impact-cushioning, shelter-insulation, and many other possibilities that we have scarcely begun to explore-
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19295 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
          Subject: US Navy Ship-Towing Manual (industrial traction similarity-case)
          An excellent reference to the highly-developed prior-art of ship-towing, which is a prime industrial traction similarity-case to instruct large-scale AWES engineering. Thus experienced kite-tech pros will recognize many of the specific rigging challenges and solutions as shared with traction-kites, but also discover a valuable technical road-map for scaled-up AWES design and operations. This practical guide to Ship-Towing is comparable in value to vintage classics like Pocock's book and Flather's Rope-Driving treatise-
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19296 From: dave santos Date: 10/17/2015
          Subject: Early-Modern Kite-Sailing History
          Fine detailed account of kitesailing of wild experimentation from the '70s that revived the ancient idea with modern kites and materials, and even inspired a lot of AWE thinking and kite-sports since, with many awkward problems encountered, but now mostly solved-
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19297 From: dave santos Date: 10/18/2015
          Subject: Cross-linked Crosswind Cableways
          We use the full kite field for arch or isodome anchoring, for passive stability of large aerial AWES structures, but for energy production the large kite forces must somehow move, as the principle of load-motion. A single cableway is a powerful transmission, but its not wide like a kite field. 

          Fortunately, two cableways running in parallel are easily spaced as wide as a kite field (
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19298 From: dave santos Date: 10/18/2015
          Subject: Industrial Wire Rope Puller and Carpenter Stop as AWES components
          The US Navy Ship Towing Manual is rich with details to instruct AWES design and operations. "Carpenter Stop" refers to varied COTS hardware to repeatedly grip and release wire rope under load. A search led to to this industrial-scale ship-salvage combo stop and linear puller, as a component option to capstans or reel-winches. In particular, its easy to introduce new sections in a run of rope; called "shots" in Navy use.

          Consider such tools both fixed-in-place and as carriage devices able to move along structural cables for control and/or to engage and disengage massive AWES loads. Scaling up novel configurations of COTS parts is easy, fast, and cheap compared to developing custom parts every step of the way.

          Open-AWE_IP-Pool
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19299 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/19/2015
          Subject: Cable-laying
          This topic thread involves linked content that could involve several hours of time. 
          One of the blessings on some researchers could be perspective
          that may affect how GW AWES games proceed.  Notice the play of visionaries, entrepreneurs, investors,engineers, material scientists, technicians, unforeseen parameters ...

          ========================================================

          19th century notes: 
          Over 130 years ago: wired world by Britain ... 
          Handling cable .... practice for AWES ...
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          ========================================

          Animation: Submarine cable system shore end


          Note that the plow is a towed soil wing. The plow simultaneously carves a path in the soil and places cable. 
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19300 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/19/2015
          Subject: WO2015094471 (A1) - PATH BASED POWER GENERATION CONTROL FOR AN AER
          Kenneth Jensen
          Damon Vander Lind

          Google, Inc.


          ================
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19302 From: dave santos Date: 10/19/2015
          Subject: Megascale Surge-Forces, Payout and Reclaim of Line, and related Hard
          Kitefliers develop a keen sense of how to play the line closely with Payout and Reclaim motions, especially in marginal conditions such as (low) "sucker-wind", when the kite must be pumped, towed or reclaimed; or (high) gusty turbulence, where payout is required to keep the line from breaking in Surge cycles. The Navy Ship Towing Manual documents fully developed line payout and reclaim technology at the megascale of towing ships as large as aircraft carriers in storm conditions. AWES R&D inherits this high standard of prior art in COTS hardware and knowledge reuse.

          Ship-to-ship tow surge forces are as chaotic and extreme as giant kite forces. Navy practice invokes safety factors as high as 12 (50% higher than common elevators at 8, and aircraft safety margins can be as little as 1.5). Here is a nice quote about ship-to-ship dynamics, "...so the towline between them is subjected to 12 independent motions. The towline also acts on both ships. These dynamic effects can cause the towline to fail at unexpected times, when average tensions are well within apparently acceptable limits..." Again; kites act just the same.

          Advanced ship-towing winches have automatic payout and reclaim, with programmable settings. Its still most common for experienced and skilled seamen to manually control winch, throttle, and helm. Standard towing systems also rely on elastic response of the line, with the catenary-sag of chain used (chain also offers chafe-resistance). Passive and active automation features combine with manual inputs for maximum safety and reliability. The cost and complexity of solutions is proportional to the high-consequence risks.

          The giant Hawser tow-lines are study in themselves. Navy practice for ship hawsers is keep a full lifecycle log for each one, and learn from every failure. Nylon is common for Spring Lines at dock, but was retired from large ship towing due to hard-to-predict failures from causes like UV, chemicals, and severe Springback hazard. Nylon is still ideal for kites up to fairly large scale, but keep close tabs on the history and condition of line. Spectra, Kevlar, and other super-polymers did not have enough stretch for the Navy to adopt, so polyester and steel became the default towline materials.

          The US Navy Ship-Towing Manual's almost 500 pages is bursting with vital knowledge for megascale AWES applications and should be considered required reading for serious developers. Here is the link again-
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19303 From: dave santos Date: 10/19/2015
          Subject: Re: WO2015094471 (A1) - PATH BASED POWER GENERATION CONTROL FOR AN
          Another bloated (50 pages) descriptive patent with no major inventive leaps apparent. Its mostly tedious repetitive summary of obvious ad-hoc design choices (if one presumes an aerobatic VTOL flygen). The timid crux of the vague claims is responding to Makani's architecture's inherent excess risk of motor/gen heating (long documented on the Forum), by simply shifting the flight pattern away from the kite-window's central power-zone, which is only common sense to those skilled in the art of AWE (with many work-arounds also possible). Joby Aviation partner's patents are cited, which were themselves windy collections of obvious facts. 

          Even GoogleX's virtually unlimited funds would have a hard time wrongfully enforcing such banal claims. Its not that these technologists are so stupid, they are as bright as money can buy. In the stealth-venture rush to patent, the kids were just not yet knowledgeable enough about the vast prior kite art to have key novel inventive leaps, rather than at best reinvent known leaps in a series of junk patents. In fairness, anyone who can cite a true novel inventive leap in any Joby/Makani patent is welcomed. 

          Given the growing defensive Open-AWE IP pool/cloud, we no longer need to fear blocking or troll IP as much as we did around 2007. Most AWE patents are junk only suited for statistical posturing (as "war-chests"), and Open-AWE has gathered as many or more of the ~better~ patents in its sphere than any other player. IP costs should prove very low in AWE; thank goodness...





          On Monday, October 19, 2015 10:24 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  


          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19304 From: dave santos Date: 10/20/2015
          Subject: Makani's Motor/Gen Cooling Conundrums
          Makani's engineers are in a deep thicket of interesting engineering problems not publicly documented, while we are kept guessing from our armchairs. Makani's patent about depowering gen-mode input by shifting its flight pattern shows cooling is a major concern, just as Forum speculation predicted. M600 is a huge scaling leap from Wing7. Scaling up only aggravates the problem to keep the increasingly massive motor/gens cool. If Makani's motor/gens overheat, crashing or a shorter working life are certain.

          Wing7-style ram-air cooling is complicated by the pressure field around the motor/gen turbine rotor varying greatly and even reversing during looping. As the unit dives, pressure is positive in front of the rotor and negative behind; but if the unit needs power to top the loop, the pressure field fully flips and pressure becomes negative in front, and positive behind. These pressure reversals are slower and deeper between full hover and full windmilling modes, with more time for overheating to spike.

          Reversing pressure dynamics most likely only degrade performance, and this issue may have been addressed in cooling-flow design changes since Wing7. M600 is a bit mysterious in lacking obvious ram-air intakes, so its possible the problem was addressed by drawing cooling air from elsewhere in the airframe, with fan-action assisting the flow. For example, the new motor-gens likely incorporate a centrifugal blower in the spinning armature to draw cooling flow from new locations, as is done in similar cases.*

          The power-conditioning and speed-control bricks are also key hot spots to cool. It remains to be seen in testing how well Makani solved M600 cooling challenges along with many other critical High-Complexity AWES requirements, like reliable redundant controls, secure comm links, etc..

          ------------
          * Sample case-
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19305 From: Gabor Dobos Date: 10/20/2015
          Subject: Lightest metal ever made is 99,99 % air
          Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19306 From: dave santos Date: 10/21/2015
          Subject: DIY Kite-Electric Hybrid Car Concept
          Attachments :

            Nissan Leaf shown, but any electric car with regen braking and moon-roof could be adapted (see attachment).

            		   @@attachment@@
            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19307 From: dave santos Date: 10/21/2015
            Subject: Microscopic Kite Trains (molecular polymer similarity-case)
            The topological-geometrical organization and bulk mechanics of Eddy-Patton kite trains in wind are closely similar to these DNA-based versions in micro-fluidic shear flow. "Branches", "combs", "H"-units, "pom-poms", and so on, glow as color-coded molecules. Well-developed polymer-chemistry statistical-mechanics and analytics promise reuse in macroscopic AWES engineering studies. Evident self-similarity between these extreme polymer scales is consistent with other known examples (crystals, trees, waterways, computer-chips and cities, etc.)-
            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19308 From: dave santos Date: 10/21/2015
            Subject: Solar-Hydrogen Fuel-cell sUAS (Boeing IFO similarity-case)
            Progress is relentless for electric transport aircraft to emerge in a decade or so. When they do, high-altitude IFOs and other AWES will be ideal to refuel or recharge them along their global routes, to solve range limitations*. Boeing has several R&D tracks intended to converge synergistically, like the "architected materials" Gabor linked, sleek new wings with folding wingtips like the 777x, and the hydrogen sUAS R&D project linked below that is particularly close to the IFO model. 

            The system elements are validated, so the next step is to go ahead and make the hydrogen aloft-


            * Open-AWE Hint- tow streamlined high-volume interchangeable hydrogen canisters exchanged along a long route.
            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19309 From: dave santos Date: 10/22/2015
            Subject: Strength-to-weight ratio of tethers of different lengths
            [Loyd 1980] was perhaps the first reference to identify strength-to-weight of AWES structure as a critical design variable, and KiteLab Group in particular has invoked strength-to-weight as critical; but it remains a complex issue not yet fully formalized. Many proposed architectures ignore the prediction that the best performing designs will have the highest proportions of the strongest materials. It has been a Forum heuristic for years, that carrying aloft non-structural flygens, conductors, and avionics is toxic to performance. Pure "rag and string" is favored.

            A curiously overlooked result of AWES strength-to-weight analysis is that as a kite tether of a given strength gets longer, its strength-to-weight ratio drops in direct proportion to the increase in length*. Therefore, a tether twice as long as another, of the same kind of line, has only half the strength-to-weight, since weight varies as strength remains constant. This simple result accords well with experience, but a complex set of non-linear effects drive the specific risk of failure of a given longer tether. For example, a shorter tether may mean the AWES is below the cut-in wind velocity altitude, or operating in greater surface turbulence, while the longer tether has compounded risk higher in the wind gradient, in stronger wind.

            ----------------------
            * in non-dimensional terms; S/W = S/L; W = L 
            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19310 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2015
            Subject: Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale
            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19311 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2015
            Subject: Makani M600 reported as a menace to birds
            The Alameda Point Environmental Report is quoting Barnard on a supposed enhanced threat to birds by the M600, even before the AWES is shown it can even operate at all. The coverage seems to support the theory that Makani was driven to test in the least bird-sensitive corner of Alameda Point than the expected location facing its HQ on the Bay frontage. 

            The bird issue could come to a head in Hawaii, with a far more sensitive and endangered native bird population than continental Alameda Island. Best practice to log bird kills by number, species, time, date, and so on, but who is going to collect this data, and will it be public? 

            A standing Forum prediction is that specific AWES architectures will prove more bird-friendly than others (eg. soft kites), while non-specialist observers, for lack of clear data, will tend to exaggerate or underestimate the threat. It may even be that Makani is more endangered by birds than vice-versa...
            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19312 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2015
            Subject: Daidalos Capital's "Trillion Dollar Drone"
            Udo continues to hone his "Wind Drones" pitch that premiered at AWEC2015 in an article linked below. Elsewhere on the Daidalos web site, a single-play AWE VC investment fund with broad R&D due-diligence is proposed, much as kPower has long advocated. Daidalos may be the right vehicle, but has a long way to grow and diversify within AWES R&D, to meet the mission. Moritz is Daidalos' scientific adviser, and the fund's initial tech assumptions and investment down-selects accord with his known preferences, not not yet beyond. There is still a large opening for any major investment player (like Gates) that does its own AWE homework to sweep together a large collection of ventures into a single dominant effort, since Daidalos still lacks capitalization to execute its long-term ambition (but maybe has recovered its initial angel investments from successful follow-on funding rounds of its early picks (Ampyx, Enerkite, etc.)-
            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19313 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2015
            Subject: Large-scale COTS Reuse Potential (mobile groundgen concept)
            A nearly 5MW mobile electric vehicle with obvious potential to be adapted to AWES use in regen braking mode; just another example of suitable megascale AWES COTS emerging. A large KiteShip or SkySails kite is in principle capable of towing such a vehicle at high power, by a relatively simple conversion-
            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19314 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2015
            Subject: 22m2 Pilot Kites Lashed Together
            With many other R&D tracks active, its an intermittent process for kPower to explore the vast possibilities of Peter Lynn's large pilot kites. Today's experiment was to fly two 22m2 pilots side by side, attached by just one lanyard between side-dart reinforcement-patches. In fact, last January, two of these same kites clipped together and hand-towed set the indoor largest kite record (44m2, flight certified by AKA judge). The clever part today was not make multiple cross-connections a priori, but first study deliberate "worst-case stability" set-up, and then find the minimalist set of connections.by small baby-steps. Kitemaster Rae Bohn assisted and provided feedback. kPower supports the work.

            As expected, the two kites did find their new nominal co-centered fully-inflated state. As expected, the increased AR made the composite kite hotter and less stable. The lashed pair swept and looped, crashed and collapsed, but also always self-relaunched, cycling thru its state-space. The most stable mode was both kites fully inverted at a lower flying angle, which is a common state with soft kites. The most interesting state was a weak turbine mode that consistently matched the vortical handedness of the land breeze off the dunes. The most unexpected result was the crudely lashed kites never found a stuck state in the gentle chaos, but always danced in the basic state-space repertoire.

            Next comes fully stabilizing side-by-side canopies in a rope-loadpath arch configuration, with tail elements, six across (one more than the Megafly modular parafoil). This might succeed tomorrow, if conditions allow. How cool that such a simple almost dull unit-kite looks suited to combine in a vast diversity of powerful rigs and exciting apps.
            Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19315 From: dave santos Date: 10/28/2015
            Subject: Re: 22m2 Pilot Kites Lashed Together
            Light fluky wind conditions yesterday were ideal to test 22m2 pilot kites in a more stabilized side-by-side kite rig (flown from an arch line with side guy-lines). As expected the two kite lashup then flew very well for several hours. There were some self-relaunches and manual relaunches with a moderate stuck-state that a drogue arch-line will avoid. The primary operational defect of the Peter Lynn pilot is partial inflation that causes the intakes to collapse shut, which is why sled kites have embedded whisker spars. It seems as if an ethafoam "swim noodle" might be enough stiffness to mitigate the problem. 

            The success of this rig is a green-light to put all six kPower pilots side-by-side, with no serious shortcomings. It was simply too risky to stack these kites and rely on a kite-killer, as a looping event tends to lock the kite-killer. Another finding was that multiple Gomberg Sand Anchors (two pairs were used) easily aggregate to handle increased forces, compared to the "roofer's tear-out tarps" kPower custom ordered. The roofer's tarps are better than ordinary sand anchors for rough fill materials, like sharp rocks, but were otherwise more awkward and bulky, so the anchor-cluster alternative is very welcome.

            There is video of Rae flying a Rev kite all around the side-by-side pilots, even daring between the bridle lines and landings on top (we hope to put a hook and kill-line on a Rev, to resolve the kill problem). Ed will likely post the media links soon.

            Open-AWE_IP-Cloud



            On Monday, October 26, 2015 8:00 PM, dave santos <santos137@yahoo.com