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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19210 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Arches of Integrated Trains

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19211 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Airmat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19212 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19213 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Altitude Limit of Towed Kites?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19214 From: Rod Read Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Lifting Isotropic Network Kite (LINK)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19215 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Diversification and Greening of the Modern Freefall Revolution (vide

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19216 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Lifting Isotropic Network Kite (LINK)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19217 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Undocumented Tacking Adjustment in 22m2 Peter Lynn Pilot-Lifters

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19218 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19219 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19220 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Altitude Limit of Towed Kites?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19221 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Electrical potential difference between upper airs and ground

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19222 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Altitude Limit of Towed Kites?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19223 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19224 From: Rod Read Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Lifting Isotropic Network Kite (LINK)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19225 From: Rod Read Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Diversification and Greening of the Modern Freefall Revolution (

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19226 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Lifting Isotropic Network Kite (LINK)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19227 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Altitude Limit of Towed Kites?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19228 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Glossary of Weaving Tech for AWES R&D

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19229 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: M600 cousin by NASA/Joby collaboration

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19230 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: What wing is best at low-Re?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19231 From: Rod Read Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Back on Earth however

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19232 From: Rod Read Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Breaking news on soft torsion

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19233 From: Rod Read Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Who's going?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19234 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Who's going?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19235 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Who's going?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19236 From: Rod Read Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19237 From: Rod Read Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19238 From: Rod Read Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Servicing kites underwater

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19239 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19240 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Who's going?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19241 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19242 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Vibration Energy Harvesting R&D Boom (Pumping AWES as "vibration ene

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19243 From: Rod Read Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19244 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19245 From: Rod Read Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19246 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: AirLoom Energy ideally located to develop AWE production

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19247 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19248 From: Rod Read Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19249 From: Rod Read Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19250 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Makani delayed in Hawaii

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19251 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19252 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Christof's Updated AWE Map

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19253 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Makani delayed in Hawaii

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19254 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Steffen Born

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19255 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Steffen Born

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19256 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19257 From: Rod Read Date: 10/11/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19258 From: dave santos Date: 10/11/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19259 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19210 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Arches of Integrated Trains

Legend: By "kite" herein is a special collection of sets in one machine; the involved sets: anchor set, tether set, wing set; the anchor set may be seen as another wing set.


This topic thread is intended for notes, discussion, and development of arches of integrated trains. Consider one arch. And then consider multiple arches. Consider the choices: 1.Traverse-to-wind arch. 2. Windward arch. 3. Oblique-to-wind arch.   For the trains attached to each considered arch, consider means of integrating the trains. Consider control of such kite.  Consider purposes.  Consider PTO options for each configuration. Launching? Landing? Relaunching? What failure modes?  Effectiveness? LCOE?   Experience? Safety?


    The arts for kites that are arches of integrated trains are in an infant stage. There is here no assumptions about the merits of exploring such kites. 


Integration of element wings and element trains on the arches may vary in device; passive tie, aerodynamic control via R-C, combination of methods, ...(?). 


The anchor set of such kites of topic may be ground fixed or not; the anchor set members may be water-based, land-based, combination of water or land based; or the anchor set might be air-based in fixed position or in free-flight. 


Mastery of a single arch of integrated trains with ground-fixed anchors set for the arch load line(s) to be traverse to wind might be a realm for starting the discussion. But feel free to jump to futurisms or far-reaching complexes within the topic space. Some of the complexes within topic place in focus domes and and layered domes.  Metering, sensing, controlling, operating, maintaining, funding, constructing, decommissioning, ... are facets of the topic.  When focus is robust on a slice of this topic, then a new topic may be formed to best treat the slice. 


We have had some mention and teasing toward this topic. Referencing prior notes could be helpful. 


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A teasing twist: Consider forming an arch load line basing Benhaïem's Ortho Kite Bunch. Instead of farm of trains of his PTO choice being ground based for each train, have the train bases be set on a master load line of an arch where the new anchors are the roots of the arch load line.        

Alternative here: kPower, Inc. IP pool per CC BY NC SA 

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19211 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Airmat

This topic thread invites study of and continued development of airmats for AWES solutions. 

Start: 

Inflatable Plane - Goodyear Inflatoplane


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19212 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

Flying on Air: The Science of Inflatable Wings


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SBi9Bffbb4

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19213 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Altitude Limit of Towed Kites?
Kite trains serve much like rocket stages to reach higher altitudes. The upper limits to Earth kite operation are somewhere beyond the Martian surface pressure altitude of
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19214 From: Rod Read Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Lifting Isotropic Network Kite (LINK)
Here's an improved remodelling of previous LINK work
Still more to go if I get the top form more as a whole meta-wing instead of as a straight sheet.
https://youtu.be/IlslZIg6iUQ

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19215 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Diversification and Greening of the Modern Freefall Revolution (vide
The Forum follows human freefall methods in the context of AWE operations and as a recreational adjunct of AWES structures. From fall-cushions, ziplines, and bungees to base-jumping in wingsuits and many other emerging skydiving specialties; the varieties of human-free-fall methods continue to proliferate. Even very old people and dogs jump for fun, along with cars, pianos, and ironing boards.

The use of passive structure for freefall apps has grown, while powered aircraft in the role are in relative statistical decline. Its a DIY "sweat-lift" climbing renaissance (by mountain or stairs). We climb the sky "because its there". Powerful wind-enabled or wind-enhanced versions of Freefall Sports are incubating in our kite circles.

Kids dream of everyone on Earth jumping up at the same time. A New World of aerial adventure is born. Lets now dream everyone jumping far higher :)



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19216 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Lifting Isotropic Network Kite (LINK)
Very nice sim... It will be interesting to extend the network unit count higher to see what sort of harmonically ordered patterns emerge across various wind velocities and turbulences, but the computation will slow, and the program statistical mechanics model may be somehow unsuited. Semi-loose pilot-kite units will probably damp response, and not likely support max resonance.

Finding realistic bulk wave patterns would be very significant, since they offer hope of tapping coherently phased power by the ground network. Pattern modes/phases would evolve with velocity and be degraded by high turbulence. It should be possible to tune the aerial network to enhance harmonic response.

Clearly seeing spontaneous normal modes like this in an extended LINKs sim will be major milestone for celebration-







On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 2:45 PM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
Here's an improved remodelling of previous LINK work
Still more to go if I get the top form more as a whole meta-wing instead of as a straight sheet.
https://youtu.be/IlslZIg6iUQ

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19217 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Undocumented Tacking Adjustment in 22m2 Peter Lynn Pilot-Lifters
While modifying kPower's 22m2 PLPLs, a surprise was to find internal draw-lines with an instruction label, for the purpose of adjusting the tack (yaw) angle of the kite relative to downwind. Kites often lean both by asymmetries in structure (bad sewing or loss of form) and wind field (like common Ekman Spirals and terrain disturbances).

It will be interesting to test this feature, which acts by modulating cell camber from side-to-side. It might be a place to add small servos so that these kites could be "tacked" for traction apps.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19218 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

AD 274 309 - Defense Technical Information Center

www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD0274309
by JO MILLER - ‎1962 - ‎Cited by 2 - ‎Related articles
that the intra-weave method of producing deep AIRMAT was not feasible, ... This contract with Goodyear Aircraft Corporation was initiated under ASD.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19219 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

Airmat Materials Investigation of One-Place Inflatoplane GA-468 Paperback – 1961

 

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PDF:


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19220 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Altitude Limit of Towed Kites?

Embry-Riddle Researchers Receive $100,000 to Study Kite-Surfing in the Stratosphere for Communications

Wed Jun 10, 2015 at 11:00 AM
- See more at: Embry-Riddle Researchers Receive $100,000 Award to Study Kite-Surfing in the Stratosphere for Communications

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19221 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Electrical potential difference between upper airs and ground

AWES variously will face the need to manage/use the electrical potential difference between upper airs and the ground.(or lower anchor set).  Study and discussion is invited in this topic thread. 

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 Year 1908 Article

Electrical Observations in the Upper Atmosphere, THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, July 31, 1908, page 163. 



 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19222 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Altitude Limit of Towed Kites?
tag for the above:  FFAWE
The study involves free-flight of a kite where the anchor set has a member which is a wing in free flight while anchoring another wing in free-flight.
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Kiting in the high atmosphere may be done by a kite where its anchor is an earth (or planet) satellite, and then a wing in the upper atmosphere is tethered to such anchor. The result of such kiting would result in a slowing of the satellite and de-orbiting the satellite; but consider powering the satellite to keep the d-orbiting from occurring.  Explore having the earth's Moon as the anchor in a kite system; tether a wing set in the earth's upper atmosphere from that Moon base; strategic handling of the location of the Moon ground station may be needed.


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19223 From: dave santos Date: 10/6/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat
Good detail-





On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 6:25 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  

AD 274 309 - Defense Technical Information Center

www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD0274309
by JO MILLER - ‎1962 - ‎Cited by 2 - ‎Related articles
that the intra-weave method of producing deep AIRMAT was not feasible, ... This contract with Goodyear Aircraft Corporation was initiated under ASD.



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19224 From: Rod Read Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Lifting Isotropic Network Kite (LINK)

Nah,
It'll probably only be good for making cloud patterns once you start taking power out.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19225 From: Rod Read Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Diversification and Greening of the Modern Freefall Revolution (

That's a very irresponsible post!
I was always told that if everyone in the UK jumped at the same time, there would be an earthquake in China.
Very dangerous!

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19226 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Lifting Isotropic Network Kite (LINK)
The plain fact is that power harvesting of a lattice is a carefully controlled damping factor on the harmonic mode (calibrated to not stop coherent waves). Just as much extra power* as is taken from the wind is removed by the PTO network, as the fundamental oscillations just continue.

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* On top of the zero-point loading to lift the lattice and set the harmonic mode.



On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:04 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
Nah,
It'll probably only be good for making cloud patterns once you start taking power out.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19227 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Re: Altitude Limit of Towed Kites?
Embry Riddle's wonderful study will cover most of the concept here; the main differences being that a power-tow basis from the ground (presumably from a sustainable grid source) would provide 100% capacity factor at the highest max altitude. A purely self-powered version by current technology would tend to have gaps in supply and fly lower. Reverse-pumping is the key difference to add, but ER shares pretty much the same goals-

“Aircraft platforms that could stay stationary in the stratosphere for years, referred to as atmospheric satellites, represent a long-standing, grand challenge to the aeronautics community, and have enormous potential for societal and economic impact,” said Dr. Engblom. “Such platforms would diversify and expand observational capabilities—for example, NASA’s earth science missions—and communications bandwidth and availability in underserved remote areas of the United States, at a fraction of the cost of orbital satellite networks. Constellations of such platforms could be integrated into the national airspace system to facilitate inter-aircraft communications or to support aircraft navigation and surveillance.” 



On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 9:34 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
tag for the above:  FFAWE
The study involves free-flight of a kite where the anchor set has a member which is a wing in free flight while anchoring another wing in free-flight.
========================================

Kiting in the high atmosphere may be done by a kite where its anchor is an earth (or planet) satellite, and then a wing in the upper atmosphere is tethered to such anchor. The result of such kiting would result in a slowing of the satellite and de-orbiting the satellite; but consider powering the satellite to keep the d-orbiting from occurring.  Explore having the earth's Moon as the anchor in a kite system; tether a wing set in the earth's upper atmosphere from that Moon base; strategic handling of the location of the Moon ground station may be needed.


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19228 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Glossary of Weaving Tech for AWES R&D
The vintage Goodyear dropstitch ("dropyarn" [sic]) tech report JoeF found contained a nice weaving glossary suited to our AWES interdisciplinary reality. Learning specialized "sub-languages" is essential to recombining domain expertises into inventive leaps. 

As a teen, I apprenticed as a traditional Mixtec weaver in the remote mountains of Oaxaca, from washing and carding raw wool to spinning yarn, and finally weaving elaborate native designs. Later, in computer studies, I marveled that machine programming (the IBM punch-card) directly emerged from the Jacquard Loom punch card (which built on the "dobby"). Over forty years later, below is my remedial lesson in English weaving terms, some ideally suited to envision novel cybernetic "enchanted looms" in the sky that weave energy and control information-

file:///C:/Users/KiteLab/Downloads/AD0274309.pdf

GLOSSARY (formatting lost in pasting)- 

AIRMAT A Goodyear Aircraft Corporation (GAC) trademark denoting a type of double-woven fabric containing interconnecting drop threads. AIRMAT samples produced with the two fabrics parallel are referred to as Flat AIRMAT. Where the samples have a curved or tapered shape in either the warp or filling direction, or both, it is referred to as contoured AIRMAT. ALGINATE A water soluble textile yarn. Made in England. BEATING UP One of the basic motions in weaving. It consists of forcing the filling - which the shuttle has inserted in the shed-up to the fell of the cloth. This is accomplished by the lay. BEAMING The process by which the warp yarns are wound onto beams. Sometimes referred to as warping. BOBBIN A package on which yarn is wound. Bobbins are used for both the filling yarn and drop yarn supply. CLOTH The structure resulting from the crosswise interlacing of two groups of yarns. It includes any pliant fabric formed of any textile fiber, wire, or other material. COMBER A long narrow board extending across the full width of BOARD the warp and located beneath the Jacquard machine. It contains many small holes and serves to keep the Jacquard harness cords in order, one cord passing through each hole. CREEL A framework arranged especially to hold the various packages from which the yarn is drawn to supply a given machine. The drop yarn is drawn from a creel. 33 GeeutAKAR AI RAFT ASD Interim Report 7-904 (II) GLOSSARY (Continued) DENT An opening in the reed through which the ends of the warp and pile are threaded. The dents per inch determine the ends per inch in fabric. DOBBY A mechanism attached to a loom for controlling the operation of the harnesses. Dobbies are made so that they can operate up to 25 harnesses. The action of the dobby is controlled by an endless chain set with small iron pegs which program the lifting of the harnesses and determines the fabric weave. DOUBLE END A defect in plain woven fabrics caused by two adjacent ends un-intentionally weaving alike. Also called a flat. DOUBLE PICK A fabric defect caused by having two picks un-intentionally in the same shed in the filling direction. DOUBLE -WOVEN PILE FABRIC A kind of pile cloth woven as two fabrics one above the other with interlacing ends joining the two fabrics that are rater cut to form the pile. DRAWING-IN The operation of entering the warp ends from the warp beam through the eyes of the correct heddles on the respective harnesses. DROP YARN The interconnecting yarn between the two cloths of an AIRMAT fabric. Sometimes referred to as pile yarn. DROP YARN DENSITY The number of drop yarns per square inch of fabric. DROP YARN The distance between the top and bottom AIRMAT HEIGHT fabrics. If fabric is contoured, this dimension will be variable to form the contour. 34 Q098EAR AIRCRAFT ASD Interim Report 7-904 (IIp GLOSSARY (Continued) DROP WIRE A thin flat metal strip used in certain warp stop motions. It has an eye through which a warp thread passes. If the warp thread breaks, the drop wire is released making an electrical contact and stops the loom. END One thread of the warp, either before weaving, or in the cloth. FABRIC A collective term applied to cloth no matter how constructed or manufactured and regardless of the kind of fiber from which made. In the commonest sense, it refers to a cloth made by weaving. FABRIC The essential details about a fabric. This usually includes CONSTRUCTION width, ends per inch, picks per inch, weight, and yarn size. FABRIC The actual number of ends and picks per inch in any woven COUNT cloth, Sometimes referred to as thread count. FALSE PICK In an AIRMAT fabric, a pick woven on the face of the fabric over which the drop yarns are woven. Upon removal of the false pick, the drop yarns held by this pick are released allowing the AIRMAT fabric to increase in depth. This is a limited technique for producing higher pile AIRMAT than the loom is otherwise capable of doing. FELL (of The edge of the cloth which is nearest to the reed while cloth) being woven. FILLING The yarn which interlaces with the warp yarn to weave a woven fabric. The filling runs from selvage to selvage at right angles to the warp. Also known as a fill, pick or weft. 35 AIRCRAFT ASD Interim Report 7-904 (III) GLOSSARY (Continued) FILLING STOP A mechanism applied to a loom designed to stop the loom MOTION in case the filling breaks or the shuttle becomes empty. HARNESS The frame containing the heddles through which the warp threads are drawn prior to weaving. HARNESS A long cord, usually of linen, fastened to the lower end CORD of a Jacquard machine. The harness cords are threaded through the comber board and at their lower ends are attached the Jacquard heddles and lingoes. HEDDLE The part of a loom harness having a small opening near its center through which one or more threads of warp or dhp yarn are threaded. Heddles are attached to the harness frames. INTRA-WEAVE A method similar to the false pick method for producing high pile AIRMAT. This system employs the use of additional warps and filling referred to as intra-warp and intra-pick, respectively. These yarns are not woven into the AIRMAT sample but provide a means for weaving with the pile yarns and upon removal of the intra-weave yarns allows the AIRMAT fabric to increase in pile height. JACQUARD A shedding mechanism, located above the loom, by which a large number nf warp ends may be individually controlled. P roira.Aming of me weave is accomplished from prepunched cards which c, ntrol the raising and lowering of the Jacquard heddles th.,ough which the warp ordiop yarns are threaded. Elaborate fabric weaves can be accomplished with this mechanism which are beyond the scope of a Dobby mechanism. JACQUARD The manner in which the harness cords are connected to TIE the Jacquard machine and threaded through the comber board. 36 QW01fEAR AIACRAFT ASD Interim Report 7-904 (111) GLOSSARY (Continued) LAY The term given to the collective parts of a loom which oscillate to perform the operation of beating up. The most important parts of the lay are the lay swords, reed, and reed cap. LAY SWORD The legs or support for the lay of a loom. There are two swords, one on each side of the loom. LEASE The method of arranging the threads of a warp in an orderly fashion so they will maintain the same relative position with respect to one another. It is done by passing the threads over and under lease rods, alternating odd and even numbered ends or in some similar manner. LEASE RODS Rods inserted between the warp yarns to prevent them from clinging together and crossing each other. LET-OFF The mechanism on a loom for regulating the delivery of MOTION the warp yarn from the warp beam and for maintaining the desired tension on the warp. LINGOE A slender metal weight attached to the bottom of each harness cord in a Jacquard. Its function is to pull down the harness cords and connecting parts during the operation of the Jacquard. LOOM A machine for weaving fabrics by interlacing two series of yarns at right angles to each other. MECHANICAL A method for producing flat or contoured AIRMAT to any DROP YARN desired pile height or shape. This technique employs a EXTENSION straight or contoured bar that is inserted across the warp, near the fell of the cloth, at the position where the drop yarns are placed into the fabrics. This bar is horizontally moved against the drop yarns which are displaced to the desired length. 37 GC@00irEAR AIRCRAFT ASD Interim Report 7-904 (In) GLOSSARY (Continued) MISPICK A defect in the woven fabric caused by a pick of filling failing to interlace in the desired sequence. PATTERN Any of the pre-punched cards used in the Jacquard to CARD program the lifting of the Jacquard heddles. PICK One thread of filling placed between the warp threads in one passage of the shuttle through the shed, at right angle to the warp. PICK GEAR One of the gears in the train that operates the take-up motion on a loom. When changing fabric construction (picks/inch), this gear is changed. PILE The interconnecting yarns between the two cloths in AIRMAT fabric. Also known as drop yarns. PLAIN WEAVE The simplest of the fundamental weaves. Each filling yarn passes alternately over and under the warp yarns. REED A closed metal comb fixed in a frame, keeping the warp (and pile) ends evenly spaced. It forms a guide for the back of the filling inserter mechanism and beats up the filling. Also determines the ends per inch in the fabric. REED MARKS Uneven warp yarn spacing in the cloth usually caused by a faulty reed condition. RENE' 41 A nickel-cobalt super alloy developed by General Electric. Has a maximum useful temperature of 1800OF and is not easily oxidized. Can be welded, sewed or woven. 38 G0EAR AIRCRAFT ASD Interim Report 7-904 (MII) GLOSSARY (Continued) SATIN WEAVE A weave consisting almost entirely of warp or filling floats, as in the repeat of the weave each thread of one system passes over all but one thread of the other system. The intersection points do not fall in regular lines but are separated from one another in a regular or irregular manner. SELVAGE The lengthwise woven edge of a fabric. SHED The opening formed when some of the warp yarns are raised by their harnesses while others are left down. Forming the shed is the first action in weaving. SHEDDING The operation of forming a shed. The lifting of the harnesses may be controlled by cams, a dobby, or a Jacquard. SHUTTLE The implement that carries the filling through the shed during weaving. SHUTTLE Streaks or marks on the warp threads caused by a MARK dirty or greasy shuttle, as it passes through the shed. SMASH A major fabric defect where the warp yarns have been ruptured by breaking a group of yarns caused most commonly by the shuttle being trapped in the shed during beat-up. SMASH A mechanism designed to prevent the shuttle from being PROTECTOR trapped in the shed as the reed beats up. It consists of a series of micro-switches or solenoids which will stop the loom if the shuttle is not in the shuttle box at beat-up. SLEY The number of ends per inch in a cloth. 39 CG0mAEAR AIRCRAFT ASD Interim Report 7-904 (III) GLOSSARY (Continued) START-UP A fabric defect consisting of a fillingwise streak extending MARK clear across the cloth, usually occuring when a loom has been stopped. Also calleda set mark. TABBY Another name for plain weave. TAKE-UP A mechanism on a loom for taking up the cloth as it is MOTION woven. The number of picks per inch determines the rate of take-up. TEMPLE A device on a loom located near the fell of the cloth, one on each side, the function of which is to hold the cloth out as wide as possible during beat-up. TWILL WEAVE In a twill weave, each end floats over or under at least two consecutive picks and the points of intersection move one outward and one upward (or downward) on succeeding picks. This causes the formation of diagonal lines in the cloth. TYING-IN The process of joining the threads of a new warp to those of a former warp by knotting together the end of a new thread with an old thread. This saves drawing- in and reeding the new warp, but it can be done only when the two warps are alike. WARP The yarns that run lengthwise in a woven fabric. WARP BEAM The large spool-like device upon which the warp yarn is wound, and is fitted in the loom at the back. WEAVE The programmed interlacing of warp and filling yarns with each other to form a cloth. Plain, twill and satin weaves are the three main types. WEFT Same as Filling.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19229 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: M600 cousin by NASA/Joby collaboration
Joben has not given up on aviation, and is partnering with NASA to further explore the many-propeller concept, which offers thermal cooling and mass advantages by many small motors over fewer large units. A plausible variant is to adapt many small motors to somehow drive fewer larger propellers, much as multi-cylinder IC engines do (but with a reduction gear needed). The winning trade-offs are too complex to fully predict, but will inform AWES design-


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19230 From: dave santos Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: What wing is best at low-Re?
We are seeing a lot of long skinny wing concepts in the race for high-altitude gliders, but the very low pressures involved are in the low-Re range, and simpler wings of lower wing-loading become favored by theory. A good analogy for flight at extreme high altitude is to visualize the sparse air molecules as ping-pong balls impacting the underside of a suitable wing seen as the lightest possible paddle to area (lowest wing-loading).

Thus its no surprise that student team designs eventually tend toward the theoretic ideal. One can see this very clearly in the following link, where yet another NASA-mentored student team has redesigned its Mars Aircraft concept more towards a low-AR delta planform from an initial long skinny wing assumption. The same principles will hold for kites and manned gliders to the highest Earth altitudes.



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19231 From: Rod Read Date: 10/7/2015
Subject: Back on Earth however

Can a Daisy rings network bottle..
Or your AWES of choice..
Be configured from thes NASA MUTT craft?
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-105.html

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19232 From: Rod Read Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Breaking news on soft torsion
I took Daisy out for a strong wind test today. windyty.com says it was gusting over 40km/h ... And I was on top of a hill, with the wind coming off the sea... coulda been more.
Bit too strong, I was really struggling to hold the lifter kite down, So I had to reconfigure the lift line with a pulley setup.
The single skin lifter kite sat rock solid in the sky with the 2 stabiliser tag lines going to the mid of the 2nd ribs on each side.
However the solo launch was still a bit sketchy... Not recommended to be done the way I did it.
1 Driver kite got snagged at launch (Heather) so it didn't add to the spin.
Otherwise the launch and spin went smoothly despite the huge tension.
Shortly after launch the main line through the crank went. (I didn't spot that at the time)
What I did spot was the effect it had on the first rung... It snapped... However, The whole rig was still turning powerfully... including the crank... The outside lines of the ladder from the rung above were taught enough to be turning the crank from double the distance... That's interesting
With enough pull, soft tube torque works ... albeit with the provision that enough radius of the rotary lines exists.

Had to stop the rig when a poorly tied back line on the top hat came loose and  started wrapping round the lift and compressing the rig to ground.

Video to follow later

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19233 From: Rod Read Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Who's going?
http://www.energyharvestingjournal.com/articles/8508/energy-harvesting-usa-agenda-launched
The World's largest event on energy harvesting technologies and their application, Energy Harvesting & Storage USA External Link, to be held in Santa Clara on November 18-19 features presentations from companies covering both high power and low power energy harvesting solutions in addition to the applications of these technologies. Speakers discuss applications of energy harvesting, ranging from presentations on IoT, automotive and sensors from companies such as Hewlett Packard, InvenSense, Volvo, Bosch, and × United Technologies Research Center United Technologies Research Center is presenting at Printed Electronics USA 2015 Santa Clara, CA, USA 18 - 19 Nov 2015 United Technologies Research Center. Energy Harvesting Technologies are then covered in sessions focused on different technologies, such as high power thermoelectrics, airborne wind energy, electrodynamics and photovoltaics. The photovoltaics session alone covers technologies from the highest PV efficiencies ever achieved to lower efficiency but flexible devices offering new integration opportunities. Wireless power also features heavily - from powering consumer electronics to presentations on wireless charging of electric vehicles
Read more at: http://www.energyharvestingjournal.com/articles/8508/energy-harvesting-usa-agenda-launched



Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19234 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Who's going?
Robert Lumley

Dr. Lei Zuo

Florian Bauer

Thomas Harklau
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19235 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Who's going?

1, AirLoom Energy,     Robert Lumley   (see below in this post).  KiteFarms  

2. Virginia Tech, Dr. Lei Zuo
Department of Mechanical Engineering – Lei Zuo

 



3. Kitemill,  Thomas Harklau, Norway

4. TUM, UC Irvine, Florian Baurer      
Related: Control of renewable energy systems: Airborne wind energy systems

 

===================================================


AirLoom Energy UNITED STATES Mr Robert Lumley Founder and Patentee Register to see this speaker PRESENTATION TITLE The AirLoom - Wind Capture which Combines the Concepts of Traditional Wind Turbines and Airborne Wind to Achieve 15x Cost Savings Presentation Summary The AirLoom merges the best concepts of Airborne Wind with ground based turbines, yielding a hybrid design superior to either. Compared to the three blades of a traditional horizontal-axis wind turbine (HAWT), the AirLoom runs multiple small airframes on a slender oval track, with downwind forces supported by a patented bridling system. The utility-scale AirLoom eliminates 93% of the HAWT's mass, yielding a 15x capital cost advantage. It also reduces transportation, maintenance, and land costs, and provides greater location and altitude flexibility. With our cost advantages, we can compete in the $13 billion U.S. wind turbine manufacturing market, license the technology, or build our own windfarms (at a 6.7x total cost advantage) to sell inexpensive, renewable electricity to utilities. Speaker Biography (Robert Lumley) Robert Lumley, patentee of the AirLoom, is not your typical technologist, but is a protypical entrepreneur. He double-majored in chemistry and economics at Williams College, and then earned a Masters of Business Administration from UCLA. Lumley began his career at Morgan Stanley. Later, he founded Haystack Systems (1992-2003), a first-mover in business process outsourcing. Then, as a real estate investor and retail store owner (2003-2007), Lumley was a principal in over $20 million in real-estate transactions. Since 2007, his enthusiasm for kiteboarding has drawn him into the study of wind power (as featured in this Wall Street Journal article) —leading to the steady accumulation of ideas, patents, and a network of experts. Combining passion with entrepreneurial and technical experience, Robert Lumley will successfully drive the AirLoom to completion. Company Profile (AirLoom Energy) AirLoom Energy, a dba of KiteFarms LLC, is privately held, and located in Laramie, Wyoming, USA. We are working with the Wind Energy Research Center at the University of Wyoming. Having been issued three Patents in 2015, we are now de-stealthing and actively seeking partners. Speakers for IDTechEx Wearable USA 2015 
Read more at: Speakers :: IDTechEx Wearable USA 2015


KiteFarms trademark formal page: 

https://trademarks.justia.com/851/56/kitefarms-85156295.html

==================================================


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19236 From: Rod Read Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

When a Daisy kite is within a threshold of airspeed from still air and with tension between rings it takes it's form.
Have LINK structures set accelerated ascent speeds @ tension to launch a bottle of kites up a lift line, so that they arrive set and ready.
Rocket Launching may not be daft, especially if the pod is still line held and payload capable but a weight drop or a sweeping downwind haul seem easier.
Whichever one is safest at cheapest cost, seems fair. As long as all ideal kite considerations are applied.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19237 From: Rod Read Date: 10/8/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

Last thing I need to be in charge of is a rocket considering this debacle..
https://youtu.be/yq0nhmvE3hk

On 9 Oct 2015 01:36, "Rod Read" <rod.read@gmail.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19238 From: Rod Read Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Servicing kites underwater

Could get cool with
https://youtu.be/5_nIhFzVNO0
Be warned, many divers have died servicing aquaculture nets. Flow energised nets will be even more risky to work with.
Best lock them stopped if you can't remove them first.
Train up with anchor handling opps prior.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19239 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat

SUP  (Stand up paddleboarding)

Bic 11' Inflatable Stand Up Paddleboard

 

Dropstitch inflatable structure is used in shown product.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19240 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Who's going?
Airloom revealed as quasi airborne-






On Thursday, October 8, 2015 2:13 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  

1, AirLoom Energy,     Robert Lumley   (see below in this post).  KiteFarms  

2. Virginia Tech, Dr. Lei Zuo
Department of Mechanical Engineering – Lei Zuo
 


3. Kitemill,  Thomas Harklau, Norway

4. TUM, UC Irvine, Florian Baurer      
Related: Control of renewable energy systems: Airborne wind energy systems
 
===================================================

AirLoom Energy UNITED STATES Mr Robert Lumley Founder and Patentee Register to see this speaker PRESENTATION TITLE The AirLoom - Wind Capture which Combines the Concepts of Traditional Wind Turbines and Airborne Wind to Achieve 15x Cost Savings Presentation Summary The AirLoom merges the best concepts of Airborne Wind with ground based turbines, yielding a hybrid design superior to either. Compared to the three blades of a traditional horizontal-axis wind turbine (HAWT), the AirLoom runs multiple small airframes on a slender oval track, with downwind forces supported by a patented bridling system. The utility-scale AirLoom eliminates 93% of the HAWT's mass, yielding a 15x capital cost advantage. It also reduces transportation, maintenance, and land costs, and provides greater location and altitude flexibility. With our cost advantages, we can compete in the $13 billion U.S. wind turbine manufacturing market, license the technology, or build our own windfarms (at a 6.7x total cost advantage) to sell inexpensive, renewable electricity to utilities. Speaker Biography (Robert Lumley) Robert Lumley, patentee of the AirLoom, is not your typical technologist, but is a protypical entrepreneur. He double-majored in chemistry and economics at Williams College, and then earned a Masters of Business Administration from UCLA. Lumley began his career at Morgan Stanley. Later, he founded Haystack Systems (1992-2003), a first-mover in business process outsourcing. Then, as a real estate investor and retail store owner (2003-2007), Lumley was a principal in over $20 million in real-estate transactions. Since 2007, his enthusiasm for kiteboarding has drawn him into the study of wind power (as featured in this Wall Street Journal article) —leading to the steady accumulation of ideas, patents, and a network of experts. Combining passion with entrepreneurial and technical experience, Robert Lumley will successfully drive the AirLoom to completion. Company Profile (AirLoom Energy) AirLoom Energy, a dba of KiteFarms LLC, is privately held, and located in Laramie, Wyoming, USA. We are working with the Wind Energy Research Center at the University of Wyoming. Having been issued three Patents in 2015, we are now de-stealthing and actively seeking partners. Speakers for IDTechEx Wearable USA 2015 
Read more at: Speakers :: IDTechEx Wearable USA 2015

KiteFarms trademark formal page: 
==================================================



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19241 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
A nice taste of the fear and/or exhilaration of DIY AWES R&D in high wind. The worst part is the vague dread setting up a tricky experiment in wind that is already trying its best to thwart you. Even if you don't get hurt, the joke reward is usually some new problem revealed, indefinitely delaying naively imagined quick success. Being unable to safely bring down a rig stuck aloft is a strange and dangerous aggravation. The one cure is to keep coming back until one's designs and skills are essentially perfected. Few ever get that far, but its worth it after all. A few seconds of triumph instantly negates years of struggle.

We are not seeing validation of long skinny AWES driveshafts with rigid structure aloft. Pierre's carousel-of-reels (or kPower's carousel-of-pulleys) is needed to scale the Daisy with safety and practicality. Staged deployment and shut-down, with packable and furlable soft wings, can resolve the operational challenges. 




On Thursday, October 8, 2015 7:03 PM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
Last thing I need to be in charge of is a rocket considering this debacle..
https://youtu.be/yq0nhmvE3hk
On 9 Oct 2015 01:36, "Rod Read" <rod.read@gmail.com


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19242 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Vibration Energy Harvesting R&D Boom (Pumping AWES as "vibration ene
Lei Zuo of Virginia Tech is entering AWES field from a research interest in vibration energy, which until now has only been studied in small scale applications. Nevertheless Lei sees great potential to scale up vibration harvesting just as Open-AWE has lately set the empirical and conceptual foundations of large-scale AWES "vibration harvesting" (MW class bulk oscillation cycles), subject to formal validation by academia. Lei is seeing explosive growth in vibration harvesting research, which bodes well for pumping AWE schemes.

Lei's initial AWES thinking will be presented at the Energy Harvesting Conference, but this paper from 2013 is a good background to how he will frame the engineering challenge-

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19243 From: Rod Read Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
Should probably clarify a few of the more doom laden interpretations
The Lift kite wasn't stuck aloft, in that letting go the main line the kite would still be held and drop with the 2x steering tag lines.
The worst part is actually the thought that I might be doing this DIY. Join in chickens!
You're right though... We are not seeing validation of long skinny AWES driveshafts with rigid structure aloft....
We're seeing validation of long fat drive shafts without rigid structure aloft.


Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19244 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
The fat soft drive-shaft concept is related to prior circular-track concepts, but with integrated wings (cross-linked) aloft. Circular-tracks are suited to compete in testing with the crosswind-cableway/track concepts. The circular plan should prove strongly advantaged whenever winds often change direction (lee terrain-effects), and crosswind cableways advantaged where winds have a predominant (prevailing wind) direction (seabreezes, gap-winds, etc.). The circular plan has a large upwind and downwind phases to compare against reciprocating (tacking) phase cycling, where tacking loss is lower in proportion that crosswind distance is longer, with fast tacking capability. 

The current question reduces to which approach competes best in most-probable real-world conditions. Longterm, both approaches still face competition from ever-improving iso-lattices, IFOs, etc..



On Friday, October 9, 2015 10:54 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
Should probably clarify a few of the more doom laden interpretations
The Lift kite wasn't stuck aloft, in that letting go the main line the kite would still be held and drop with the 2x steering tag lines.
The worst part is actually the thought that I might be doing this DIY. Join in chickens!
You're right though... We are not seeing validation of long skinny AWES driveshafts with rigid structure aloft....
We're seeing validation of long fat drive shafts without rigid structure aloft.


Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19245 From: Rod Read Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
circular path fits directly over Lifting Isotropic Network Kite lines.
and doesn't have to be flat into wind ... you've seen Daisy videos by now I'm sure.
I'll send you a copy of my draft chapter for the concept outline...and a bit of feedback?
true about the lattice power pulse phasing work
Programmed rotary patterned tug actions, played as waves around a network of kites over a circular rail, could cause some cool fast ground driven rail apps & interactions. especially if we can set a wave form lift rail guide on a train so that kite after kite can ...squirt the train along to the next ready kite.
I wouldn't risk deploying a fixed aspect 1 way wind system.


Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19246 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: AirLoom Energy ideally located to develop AWE production
Recalling Robert Lumley ("Kitefarms") from the early Forum, with claims toward AWES automation solutions, but a violent allergy to open-AWE thinking ("pure evil") competing against conventional business assumptions, like IP stealth. Now Robert has "de-stealthed" [sic], as AirLoom, with grand claims for cost advantages ("15x") of the AirLoom over conventional wind power.

A huge certain advantage for Robert is that he is located next to the finest gap-wind resource in the contiguous US, just outside of Laramie, Wyoming, with major trunk lines planned to the golden California clean-energy market; so he could conceivably bootstrap AWE production, provided he hits on a workable method (or attracts partners with working methods) to develop capacity in the "superb" blue zone near him (NREL wind map in linked thumbnail image)-





Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19247 From: dave santos Date: 10/9/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
The big risk to me is in seeing any single AWES approach as somehow not needing to compete and win in broad study against all other contenders. If the Daisy fails to dominate over all other AWES WECS (slow market-driven vetting), you won't find out until its too late to switch architectures to be in the winner's circle regardless, having bet all on one lame horse. Better to help major investors bet on the racetrack, and earn a fair cut.

Only kPower and the KiteLab Group have stood for broad comparative testing ("knowledge-quest" as the true AE pro biz strategy). WindSwept & Interesting is following the high-risk model of a pet early downselect (Daisy), like too many other narrowly down-selected AWES ventures. Lets fly all the WECS together as a competative plan to outlearn developers who only promote one pet scheme. If large lattices are in fact a broader breakthrough than just as a Daisy host structure, its not reflected in W&I's concept narratives. Dense-array techniques are general to all WECS, rather than a special advantage for any one WECS. 

All this bears repeating just as often as anyone proposes any a-priori AWES down-select.



On Friday, October 9, 2015 2:52 PM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
circular path fits directly over Lifting Isotropic Network Kite lines.
and doesn't have to be flat into wind ... you've seen Daisy videos by now I'm sure.
I'll send you a copy of my draft chapter for the concept outline...and a bit of feedback?
true about the lattice power pulse phasing work
Programmed rotary patterned tug actions, played as waves around a network of kites over a circular rail, could cause some cool fast ground driven rail apps & interactions. especially if we can set a wave form lift rail guide on a train so that kite after kite can ...squirt the train along to the next ready kite.
I wouldn't risk deploying a fixed aspect 1 way wind system.


Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19248 From: Rod Read Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

How rude.
W&I  = Windswept and Interesting
(Dave S, read my draft chapter where I discuss details of what makes Daisy chains on LINK kites my current favourite concept )
I only had time to fully present 1 case, which involved 2 grand concepts, I reference KPower, I reference my hundreds of alternative candidate designs, but lets face it, nobody else is putting anything open forward for chapter submission... Yet still the almighty Santos grumbles.
Where DS mentioned racetrack for presentation, he's actually alluding to an alternative LINK kite AWES concept I suggested to him 2 evenings back in a private email, Where a train is pulled around a track by phased tension increases, timed mechanically with the train approaching control points.... DS doesn't seem to see the control overheads or massive single failure unreliability states in that concept however. Sad.
I'm very keen to see what actual plans  you have to test my current favorite concept against all comers.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19249 From: Rod Read Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
Dave Santos
You just want arguments like a heroin addict... That's me being rude in return...
You blatantly ignored what I had written in the post prior to yours.

If large lattices are in fact a broader breakthrough than just as a Daisy host structure, its not reflected in W&I's concept narratives.
My concept narratives in the previous post were stated as...
true about the lattice power pulse phasing work
Programmed rotary patterned tug actions, played as waves around a network of kites over a circular rail, could cause some cool fast ground driven rail apps & interactions. especially if we can set a wave form lift rail guide on a train so that kite after kite can ...squirt the train along to the next ready kite.
Note that's a lattice phase concept ... nothing like a daisy... and not a lattice PTO concept which Dave S has suggested.
Easy as it is to conceive considering it's analogous proposal family of AWES concepts.

Dave S then almost rightly states
Dense-array techniques are general to all WECS, rather than a special advantage for any one WECS.
But he fails to highlight the possibilities embedded within that stance...

e.g.
1) Can a Daisy host selsam spinning rotors on the tensioned lines between blades?.. thus driving the lines of spinners into apparent wind just like a Makani Selsam Daisy LINK all in one net mashup... This is fine by me if you only want to use the power for work aloft... It needs more than 1 Roddy to launch it...Which is where we finally get back on topic...Launching a set of linked AWES Rings slightly faster than apparent wind so that they arrive in place, in tension, fully unfurled and ready to work.
but why stop there...?
2) Can Pierre's spinning and Daisy be mashed together ... yes. Have an inner driven, anti rotation, chained set of rings, ride, on the ring, of matching outer driven rotating ring chains... Don't let them snag together though. Also this configuration is available to faster than apparent wind speed launch up a guide line.
or maybe...
3) Stacked lattice LINK with various PTO configuration groundgen available. Whole group swirl over tripod spread feet sounds super powerful .. and maybe not to hard to control given existing kite control tech.

However lets face it nobody admits they read about AWES in this toxic unprofessional atmosphere where Self interested trolls like Dave Santos are allowed to discredit any work that niggles their unscientific sensibility with impunity.

Saying ... Only kPower and the KiteLab Group have stood for broad comparative testing ("knowledge-quest" as the true AE pro biz strategy). WindSwept & Interesting is following the high-risk model of a pet early downselect (Daisy), like too many other narrowly down-selected AWES ventures.

What a crock of utter self indulgent fantastic SHIT!

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19250 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Makani delayed in Hawaii

Home base news note:

Google Energy Kite Nears Launch Date | Alameda Sun


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All that recent couple of decades not about not having to have towers?


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19251 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
Rod,

It seemed, based on your book chapter draft, that the Daisy was not being groomed for specific comparative testing, say against the common reeling systems of AWESCO, at the 600m target altitude for utility-scale AWE, or any other baseline design. Your scoring matrix, that the Daisy naturally won, defined your personal standard of judging how the AWE field stacks up, rather than the full-blown AE standard, which has never yet been applied to AWE.

Sorry that you find my opinion less acceptable than your own, but I mostly commend your efforts on behalf of the torsion concept-space to end up tested against all other options. "(My) plan" would simply require you be ready for a broad fly-off phase at a professional level, which implies all-soft Daisy scale versions, given obvious problems scaling torque ladders up. You don't have to "test everything" (from flygens to flip-wings), which is very hard work. 

KiteLab and kPower really have tested more broadly than anyone else, for maximized experience, but still depend on many others to field various pet architectures to test against,

daveS



On Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:04 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
Dave Santos
You just want arguments like a heroin addict... That's me being rude in return...
You blatantly ignored what I had written in the post prior to yours.

If large lattices are in fact a broader breakthrough than just as a Daisy host structure, its not reflected in W&I's concept narratives.
My concept narratives in the previous post were stated as...
true about the lattice power pulse phasing work
Programmed rotary patterned tug actions, played as waves around a network of kites over a circular rail, could cause some cool fast ground driven rail apps & interactions. especially if we can set a wave form lift rail guide on a train so that kite after kite can ...squirt the train along to the next ready kite.
Note that's a lattice phase concept ... nothing like a daisy... and not a lattice PTO concept which Dave S has suggested.
Easy as it is to conceive considering it's analogous proposal family of AWES concepts.

Dave S then almost rightly states
Dense-array techniques are general to all WECS, rather than a special advantage for any one WECS.
But he fails to highlight the possibilities embedded within that stance...

e.g.
1) Can a Daisy host selsam spinning rotors on the tensioned lines between blades?.. thus driving the lines of spinners into apparent wind just like a Makani Selsam Daisy LINK all in one net mashup... This is fine by me if you only want to use the power for work aloft... It needs more than 1 Roddy to launch it...Which is where we finally get back on topic...Launching a set of linked AWES Rings slightly faster than apparent wind so that they arrive in place, in tension, fully unfurled and ready to work.
but why stop there...?
2) Can Pierre's spinning and Daisy be mashed together ... yes. Have an inner driven, anti rotation, chained set of rings, ride, on the ring, of matching outer driven rotating ring chains... Don't let them snag together though. Also this configuration is available to faster than apparent wind speed launch up a guide line.
or maybe...
3) Stacked lattice LINK with various PTO configuration groundgen available. Whole group swirl over tripod spread feet sounds super powerful .. and maybe not to hard to control given existing kite control tech.

However lets face it nobody admits they read about AWES in this toxic unprofessional atmosphere where Self interested trolls like Dave Santos are allowed to discredit any work that niggles their unscientific sensibility with impunity.

Saying ... Only kPower and the KiteLab Group have stood for broad comparative testing ("knowledge-quest" as the true AE pro biz strategy). WindSwept & Interesting is following the high-risk model of a pet early downselect (Daisy), like too many other narrowly down-selected AWES ventures.

What a crock of utter self indulgent fantastic SHIT!

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878


On 10 October 2015 at 08:40, Rod Read <rod.read@gmail.com


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19252 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Christof's Updated AWE Map
Linked below is further admirable effort by Christof Beaupoil to make early sense of the current AWES engineering thicket. It would be great to merge previous knowledge efforts within his growing framework, which include NASA's compilation by MarkM, JoeF's vast collections, the Springer AWE book, and EdS's kPower spread-sheets. Such an expanded team-project will likely need support by a well-funded academic player like AWESCO (which may be generating its own possibly duplicative knowledge-base). 

The high-stakes outcome would be the first AWES knowledge study to soundly and convincingly predict what particular system architectures, from the large pack of contenders, will ultimately prevail in major validation testing and energy markets-

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19253 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Makani delayed in Hawaii
So Makani's long-standing "perch" design claim, to have essentially eliminated the wind tower, is baldly contradicted by Richart Bangert's local "docking tower...dwarfs...workers" reportage in the Alameda Sun, so its no longer just our remote impression. The proper direct structural mass comparison is with a 600kW HAWT (now considered small); or three or four M600s compared to one large HAWT in the 2MW range. Another anomalous claim is how many houses can be powered by a 600kw AWES confined under 1000ft, given nameplate-rated capacity-factor will be less than 50% in most all wind locations.

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"The docking tower for Makani’s propeller-driven wind turbine dwarfs a pair of workers at Alameda Point last week."



On Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:58 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
Home base news note:

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All that recent couple of decades not about not having to have towers?



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19254 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Steffen Born
Another from Steffen Born: 

Patent DE202015001218U1 - Singleskin Kite mit Air-Halfpipes Singleskin Kite with Air-halfpipes

 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19255 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Steffen Born
Another yet: 
Patent DE202015001217U1 - Singleskin Kite mit Vorflügel Singleskin Kite with slats

 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19256 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2015
Subject: Re: Airmat
Patent DE202014006268U1 - Aufblasbares Wasserboard in Sandwich-Bauweise Inflatable Water Board in sandwich construction

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19257 From: Rod Read Date: 10/11/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
I've amended my chapter to further clarify the presentation of lattice coordination pto works as possible contenders.
It should be very clear, even to the lay or new AWES follower on reading the article you read, just how prepared I am to compete designs againts each other. I suggest you try reading the article before you respond this time.
600m target altitude for utility-scale AWE
60M outside of air traffic control zones (30M @ my house) (noflydrones.co.uk) is my current practical scale limit. Now what was the advantage of parametric soft kite scaling again.. doh - scaling. If you want to collect a team big enough to prove a Daisy can't operate at 600m go ahead, please!. you'll loose.
full-blown AE standard (Fool Blown is all I'm hearing) Go on then again Dave Bloody S. Don't wait for me apply the full-blown AE standards to AWE.
I can't remember anyone else attempting to design for a more rigorously stringent set of AWES design ideals. I'm sure you can't resist telling me somewhere you imagine I'm wrong though... How long will it take him before he boils over and has to reply? Any takers £10 bet between 10 and 15 minutes.?
For one more point ... How many times do you have to baselessly repeat................
given obvious problems scaling torque ladders up.
You've had that idea shoved right back up where the sun don't shine.
Wash your mouth out.
Bring your fantastic fly off plan on bitch. See to getting me a 1/250 the budget of Makani and I will wipe the floor with all comers!

FECT if I'll take your idea of professionalism by aggravated niggling there with me though.

Yes I have a rough approach. I'm a rough fighter.
There's no rules top the real game.
No limits (never true) to the possible design insanity of the evolved kite networks I work in.
I'm not going to test every kite design possible by my methods.
I've got a good one. I love it! It works too.!
Better will come.
So, Get your thumb out of your unfocussed 4r5he! and start building them.



Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19258 From: dave santos Date: 10/11/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net
Rod,

The most iconic AE case is the Wright Bros with only modest funding producing the top experimental engineering-science of their time. Same goes for Pocock; and every other Kite God. A cheerful attitude to support critical thinking skills and hard work is the right stuff. Nobody yet has actually needed as much money in AWE as Makani has spent, and the GoogleX spigot is hardly tapped out. If you have a good plan and budget, the money is there; waiting.

I don't see a revised version of your chapter yet, but my top concern is JohnO still being socially excluded by the Northern EU circles. No worry if you just want to feature the Daisy, to reserve iso-lattice publication elsewhere and support the protest. All that is asked is for JohnO to be welcomed to represent professional concerns on a par with agents like PJ and Guido (as Wubbo respected JohnO). 

Its not too late for the iso-lattice and other open-AWE concepts to be fully supported in the 2nd Springer AWE book, if the good news is JohnO will be allowed participation in conference planning,

daveS

PS If this reply came late enough, I'll take the betting pot.





On Sunday, October 11, 2015 3:59 PM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
I've amended my chapter to further clarify the presentation of lattice coordination pto works as possible contenders.
It should be very clear, even to the lay or new AWES follower on reading the article you read, just how prepared I am to compete designs againts each other. I suggest you try reading the article before you respond this time.
600m target altitude for utility-scale AWE
60M outside of air traffic control zones (30M @ my house) (noflydrones.co.uk) is my current practical scale limit. Now what was the advantage of parametric soft kite scaling again.. doh - scaling. If you want to collect a team big enough to prove a Daisy can't operate at 600m go ahead, please!. you'll loose.
full-blown AE standard (Fool Blown is all I'm hearing) Go on then again Dave Bloody S. Don't wait for me apply the full-blown AE standards to AWE.
I can't remember anyone else attempting to design for a more rigorously stringent set of AWES design ideals. I'm sure you can't resist telling me somewhere you imagine I'm wrong though... How long will it take him before he boils over and has to reply? Any takers £10 bet between 10 and 15 minutes.?
For one more point ... How many times do you have to baselessly repeat................
given obvious problems scaling torque ladders up.
You've had that idea shoved right back up where the sun don't shine.
Wash your mouth out.
Bring your fantastic fly off plan on bitch. See to getting me a 1/250 the budget of Makani and I will wipe the floor with all comers!

FECT if I'll take your idea of professionalism by aggravated niggling there with me though.

Yes I have a rough approach. I'm a rough fighter.
There's no rules top the real game.
No limits (never true) to the possible design insanity of the evolved kite networks I work in.
I'm not going to test every kite design possible by my methods.
I've got a good one. I love it! It works too.!
Better will come.
So, Get your thumb out of your unfocussed 4r5he! and start building them.



Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 19259 From: Rod Read Date: 10/12/2015
Subject: Re: Accelerated top launching a bottle net

So th full blown AE standard is.... Wright Brothers? What ? Be the first not to kill yourself trying? I've already done small and slow successfully like they did. Haven't been to the moon with it yet though.
The Other option is be a kite god? Whereas omnipotence has its benefits, please note that it can be a hindrance to others, when you start thinking you can't leave someone alone.
Oh so you've got the budget sorted that's great news. Get testing.
Absolutely John O, or anyone else intersted in the exciting world of AWE conference planning should be allowed to help out with it.
I haven't yet seen any logic in withholding publications other than greed motive.
Dave S, if you're going to answer anything else in this once more steered off topic thread, let it be this... Do you recognise where you contradict your self?
Answering that question honestly will be your greatest contribution to the "accelerated top launching a bottle net" design space.