Doug,
1.
I am not fixating on disproving any fact you might offer. Please,
instead of shotgunning, be specific on statement; let us deal with
specific statements Thanks.
2.
It seems clear that you and I are not seeing nets in identical ways. We
need not. Let's see if we can hold each other's perspective as is.
I sense that you do not see nets where I see nets. That is fine
with me; I get to see the nets where you might not; that is no problem
with me. Net has been in conversion in forum an undefined term
yet, so the matter is somewhat open. Similarly, I see kited nets
where it seem you do not see them; again: no problem here; I will keep
seeing the kited nets and advance my research over such.
3.
Your push to have me stop seeing kited nets where I see them is a
push that has little impact. The target of this forum is RAD; and
kited nets seem to be part of the RAD universe.
4.
You urge to forget sailboats, yet many AWE schemes involve sailboats
and other water wing involved structures. So, I will not be forgetting
sailboats. Sailboats come in a huge variety; and that variety seems to
be expanding yet through the years. Kiting has changed the variety of
sailboats. Energy-producing systems that may involve sailboats are
perfectly welcome in this forum. I am not sure where you
springboarded for the sailboat-forget push, but I am guessing that
maybe you bounced upon seeing another mention of tether-moored cargo
ships being kite systems; we have many mentions over the years about
huge ships being wings of kite systems; and some strong patents involve
large water hulls as part of AWES. So, those branches of AWE will
probably continue to be developed by some researchers. Their
notes are fully welcome in this forum.
5.
You seem to like the word "redefining" in critique over my pattern and
style of searching for and finding AWE matters. Only occasionally
are words well defined in the forum. If you wish, please start a
dedicated topic in the form that focuses just on some word and the
defining of such word. In some cases such exercise may turn up some
great ideas. One word per topic; and then focus. But
the repeated hits of "redefining" does not hold much meat until you
propose a definition; at that time, someone could note that they are
staying within your definition or going beyond the borders of your
definition. In either case, discourse will be about things, hopefully
AWE matter. I will await for you to start some topic that
aims to get definitions for some word or phrase. Thanks.
6.
For example, I see kited nets in many advertising banners towed by
airplanes. You declare that what I see as kited nets in that
field are not so for you. That is fine. I do not have a pressure
to have you see kited nets there, but I offer that view for anyone
reading. And I am willing to support my claim: The towing
airplane is the anchor of the kite system; the tether tow line is the
kite system tether set; part of the towed net is part of the kite
system tether set and part of the wing set of the kite system; the
advertising material supported by the kited net forms more of the wing
set of the kite system. A kite has anchor set, tether set, and wing
set. The air media has the wing set here fly in the air. I see
kite system in the scene. You do not. Life is still fine.
7.
Doug, you apparently are also not seeing kite hang gliders as kite
systems. Fine. For nearly 50 years I have easily seen kite hang
gliders as true kite systems. The anchor set is the pilot's mass held
by the kited net. The tether set involves the kited net and the tethers
between the anchor and the wing set; the tether set consists variously
of one line up to 8 or more lines (hang lines to the harness net
form an extension of the net/tether set). Then the wing of the kite
hang glider is set into the air and the resistive couple is set up
between the anchor set and the wing set; kiting occurs; the system has
the parts and sets of a kite system and does true kiting. By those
accounts I see the kite hang glider as a true kite system; the anchor
sometimes is fixed to the ground at the start of launch and sometimes
moving fallingly through the air; in one instance the system is a
fixed-to-ground-anchor kite system; and the free-flight system is a
gliding-kite system where the anchor is moving. Parasailing with
boat-tow is a true kite system. FFAWE of kite types mostly...
they are true kite systems where the anchor is another wing set
(indeed, all kite systems's anchor set may be seen as a second wing
set). It is OK, if you do not subscribe to the definition of
kite. We collect definitions of kite on a special file in open
net.
8. I am not yet seeing cars as kites, Doug. You proposed that topic. I am not seeing cars as kites.
9.
Please, again, simply present a statement that you think is illogical;
set up a topic to deal with the question. Then argue what you think is
illogical in the statement. Just shotgunning blanket characterization
of posters' works might not be as effective as politely putting up
focus on a statement so all may have a clean try at the logic or
fallacy set that might be involved. Just hitting and running
makes for a kind of hard-to-deal-with situation.
10.
Your rephrase of the topic shunts the broadness of the intended
topic. The topic will be covering climbing on nets and other
parts of kite systems, but will be covering a great deal more. Guesses
at futures are fine. My guess is that more and more climbing on
kite-held nets will be occurring.
11.
Doug, it now seems evident that differ on another system. Yes, I
see kytoons as true kites. If I read your remarks correctly, you do not
see the kytoons (kite balloons) as kites. That is fine; we can do
AWE with kytoons, even if you do not hold kytoons as kites.
12.
I described climbers of kited nets. Your not "seeing" as I
do is accepted; I will keep on file that you do not see my examples as
I do. Be at peace, I suggest.
13.
A very consistent difference that seems to keep getting you excited is
the matter of whether or not a working kite system not directly
producing electricity is AWE matter. Since day one, this forum
includes both sectors of working kite systems: those that closely
produce electricity and those that produce other forms of energy for
doing practical works. You are welcome to only look at and
develop only those AWES you wish. But you are encouraged to stop trying
to hit away the other large sector of AWE, that which produces energies
that are not the electricity format. You may remain good citizen
of this forum by just focusing on what areas interest you. But it is
not good citizen of this forum to use large bandwidth to repeating a
drive that seems to deny part of the essence of this forum. This forum
is for lifting, traction, releasing, reflecting, shadowing, air
redirecting, antenna holding, transporting, aerotecture by kite, etc.
AND producing electricity for electrical loads. Each poster is free to
form topic in either or both large sectors of AWE. The essence of this
forum includes some non-electricity kite-energy systems. A
classic simple kite system already is converting wind's kinetic energy
to other forms of energy beyond electricity. Note that use of
other forms of energy may be a path to saving the need for
electricity.
14.
Doug, it seems you have a need to wrestle with the word "will".
I am not meeting posters who have foreknowledge as God might.
Humans seem to coast with an acceptance that the use of the futuring
word "will" has provisos that are not totally rehearsed every time a
guess of the future is made. That is, humans seem to use "will" with
the proviso that the future might not unfold as described.
Please see if you can quiet some on this matter. People are
predicting with the unsaid proviso that the future might be shunted
into an asteroid stopping of all earth activity. Consider quietly
adding "probably" when you see the world "will" stated by people. "Such
or so will be occurring." to "Such or so will (probably) be occurring."
And just how probable could be argued. Probability might be very
low or medium or high, etc.
15.
Doug, you need not be comfortable with brainstorming tactics; but
please consider letting such tactic be left in peace, as brainstorming
is a robust tool used in problem solving, design, experiment
preparation, critical thinking, and inventing. The tactic has
been continually used in some AWE circles. You have shown keen ability
to use the tactic. So, please just let other posters do
brainstorming shares when they do. Sharp genius will occasionally find
springboards from brainstorming shares.
16.
The forum hopefully will not permit soul-God judgements over posters.
Some moderation is occurring in this new era of the forum in an
effort to shunt such personal attacks. Hopefully the moderators
will catch such and send the offers back to the poster for
reconsidering the text.
Best,
~ Joe F.
