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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15601 From: dave santos Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Longlined FlySurfer in Light Air on Greenland Crossing

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15602 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15603 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15604 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15605 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15606 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15607 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15608 From: dave santos Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15609 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15610 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15611 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15613 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15614 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15615 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15616 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15617 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15618 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15619 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15620 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15621 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15622 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15623 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Train claim in 1948 is emptied by at least circa 1912 fact

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15624 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Train claim in 1948 is emptied by at least circa 1912 fact

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15625 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15626 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Stabilising a lift kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15627 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15628 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15629 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15630 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15631 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15632 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15633 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15634 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15635 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15636 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15637 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15638 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15639 From: dave santos Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15640 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Moderator reports

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15641 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15642 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15643 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Blade rotors in plane of wing from paravane realm

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15644 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15645 From: dave santos Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15646 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Power Generating Windbags and Waterbags US 20130307274 A1

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15647 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15648 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Lawrence Hargrave - a pioneer in aviation

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15649 From: dave santos Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15650 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: How to make payload lifting safer

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15651 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15601 From: dave santos Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Longlined FlySurfer in Light Air on Greenland Crossing
This is what one kind of AWE, as a daily transport power basis, looks like. Note reverse-pumping to launch up into usable wind-
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15602 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Berck sur mer 2012 Manlifting

Many details to study.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15603 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Anchor-based winch shortens main tether to launch the kite system wing with pilot harnessed with anticipation for later free-flight kiting where the pilot becomes the anchor resistive set: 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15604 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15605 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Gyro Hang Glider Tow

 

  He is first man-lifted in kite system. 

Then upon release from towing anchor, he become an independent free-flight kite system with pilot as resistive set moving-falling anchor. In both modes: man-lift kite system.  Second mode is hang gliding; the tether from the pilot's body to the wing is the main kite line in that mode. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15606 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Significant man-lifting with kite system anchor being a moving boat is being done for sport, thrill, tourist attracting, sight-seeing, and launch to free-flight hang gliding. Some such is for release of sky divers. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15607 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
The wiki could be grown more by any editor. 
Man-lifting kite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15608 From: dave santos Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Nice old connection- Jeff Hunt was my HG teacher, and Lake LBJ is near Austin. Boat tow is a great method, allowing consistent windward launching, while many land-tow runways are somewhat crosswind. Boat Tow has a pretty good safety record, despite the added drowning risk (even my Mom has done it).

Heads-up to Ed that Jeff could perhaps approve and arrange our pending tow-launched experiments to 2000ft (kPower is shopping for testing-at-altitude opportunities, since kFarm is low altitude only (3 mi. from airport). The big drone ranges are still working thru the bureaucratic hoops, with a long line of UAV aspirants to juggle.


On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:59 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15609 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Here is a kite system with a short tether to a substantial anchor mass; the anchor mass is moving via the thrust of a powered harness that pushes the anchor mass. The anchor mass consists of human, harness, and powered pushing assembly. The kite system's wing is of fairly high aspect ratio. The man-lifting occurs after some foot running off level ground. Once in the air, the powered anchor assembly could close off the pushing power unit, if desired; then the quiet free-flight man-lifting kite system would have a free-falling anchor tugging the kite system's wing:


X-1 and axxess rigid wing launch
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15610 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Some man-lifting kites specialize in free-falling-anchor resulting in gliding flight; here is a modern test of a shape of wing that echoes centuries backwards; here the kite line is short coupled to the kite-system's wing whilst hold the anchor resistive mass that is a live human.

Leonardo da Vinci Glider - reality test, Rate My Science
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15611 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Some early history noted:

High As A Kite - Man-Lifting Kites Cody - Early Aviation History  


One of the paintings ... showing trains ... might be able to be date traced; I do not have the date for the paintings shown.   [ ] ?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15613 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Colin "Johnny" Walker's Scouting Milestones Pages - The Early History of Air Scouting

 

One wing lift experience. 
 
Then 12 wing train lift.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15614 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Cocky Eek in the Air



Dutch kite maker Patrick de Koning 


Patrick de Koning of Ymuiden, Holland

See major article:  http://drupal.drachen.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Journal%20Issue%2016.pdf

The Adrenalin Rush of Kite Manlifting
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15615 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15616 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15617 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15618 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Kite systems that feature wings destined to become free-flight high performance sailplanes lift men and women regularly.  Sample:

http://media.upcscavenger.com/thumb/8a/8a32d2ea8113c63f928298e82321bff2_400.jpg

 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15619 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15620 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15621 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15622 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15623 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Train claim in 1948 is emptied by at least circa 1912 fact

An early wings in train without sub tethers, but on one line:

Drachen Foundation Newsletter: August 2010 | Drachen Foundation
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15624 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Train claim in 1948 is emptied by at least circa 1912 fact
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15625 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15626 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Stabilising a lift kite
Must update that.. once I've done my triangulating experiments, simulated more meshes, and designed an attached WECS and exercise set.

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15627 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain
I would find it wrong (but not surprising) for some multi"national" juggernaut company to create 100 sub companies each to make no more than $1M using CC IP just to stay under the radar and reap the benefits.
It's the privilege of the wealthy to be greedy apparently.

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15628 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
what's the connection clamp used at about 1:14 in the video Man-lifting Kite (Trains volants de D. Guignet)?

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15629 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Apologies it works more as a fairlead ... It's split into 2 semi donughts ... hinges at one side ...
Still can't find an exact match anywhere ... it's an interesting component

Small details of exact sourcing routes for components make the difference in terms of AWE accessibility.
Dave S: (Updated method is a simple plastic clamp softer than the UHMPE it clamps to.  CC BY NC SA). examples please.

Displaying barrel lock (tube).jpg
These are examples of the one way barrel locks I intend to test for over-line 1 way motion retardation whilst they also give a cross planar rotatable support to the retarded (step in my case) component....

This looks like the piece... but no clue as to how to source one...

fixable to guide or mount external to the line clamp gripping the line with soft rubber

clamps onto rope giving cros planar flat face
similar but more line damaging potential
normally clamps over 2 flange / rim joins


Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15630 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Attachments :
    These are examples of the one way barrel locks I intend to test for over-line 1 way motion retardation whilst they also give a cross planar rotatable support to the retarded (step in my case) component....

    ​

    Rod Read

    Windswept and Interesting Limited
    15a Aiginis
    Isle of Lewis
    UK
    HS2 0PB

    07899057227
    01851 870878
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15631 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
    http://www.energykitesystems.net/ManLifting/GuignetDEVICECollarStopHold.jpg

     

    Guess: Clam two-part aluminum collar that is screw closed-open that clamps an in-line soft stop. Then below somewhat on the line is a working line sleeve to save the line from rub during work. The collar clamps the soft stop to station-keep the wing.

    ~ JoeF
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15632 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

    I would amend to go with donut halves of plastic that has a wrap strap of maybe stainless steel. The plastic fairleads as Rod noticed.  But the soft-stop can be seen on anchor side before unclamping occurs; maybe the soft-stop is a loop that captures the clamp preventing wing station from going up or down the line.

    ~ JoeF
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15633 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
    Man-lifting Kite SACONNEY

      
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15634 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

    On the equipment page there is an un-halved fairlead shown.

    But the video shows the opening of a different collar clamp

    that opens to two halves.

        The amended clip study two posts earlier has a clip of a clamp that

    might not be the subject clamp of the video (lower right of collage), as there

    is a very different in-line loop that might be a hand-hold

    loop for working during flight session.

    ~ JoeF
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15635 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

    Bell world with slight view of hesitant man-lift, but with some images new to me:


    Les expériences de Graham Bell sur le cerf-volant
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15636 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15637 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
    http://www.drachen.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Governor.Island.Posters.pdf


    AND SEE ebook copy of May 1897 issue of The Century: 
    The Century

     
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15638 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

    I find it hard to believe that there is a Wise guy in kite man lifting

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15639 From: dave santos Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain
    Rod,

    We have no finer alternative to an Honor System for our AWE CC IP. Faced with urgent global crisis, we never had excess capital or time to patent every good idea. The CC "capital advantage" is "hearts and minds". The CC movement is a noble cause, and we are in good company. It helps to believe.

    The Sky is so big and the top consumer markets are PR sensitive. A large corporation with public relations sensitivity faces a name-and-shame risk in ripping-off Open AWE. Most employees of a wealthy corporation would prefer to buy rights at low cost than steal them, and face ridicule. Especially a neoliberal outfit like Google would feel pressure to "do the right thing". The scam you describe would be self-limited to the margins. 

    Even in your worst-case of 100 million dollar pirates, they would be a small bandits in a many-trillion dollar energy market. I do not think its a rational fear that Pirates can starve Open AWE developers of livelihood. They would have a hard time being the competitive innovation leaders and unethical skunks, at the same time, just to save a 3% license fee.

    The interesting challenge will be for Open AWE to name-and-shame militarized AWE (if we can finally reach working consensus on the AWE Military Moratorium). Armies now march on their press coverage in a quest to win "hearts and minds". AWE pacifism would be a tipping-factor to the eventual demilitarization of human society, with the warrior class refocused on humanitarian emergencies driven by "natural" disasters (like sea-level rise).

    The patent system never was intended for these challenges. Honor is the better System model,


    daveS




    On Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:37 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15640 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Moderator reports
    This thread will hold notes from the moderators. 

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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15641 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

    The title is not merited, but the scene is interesting; higher lifts have been made.

    Highest Man Lift Ever
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15642 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain

    Surely AWE could do good by introducing real air force to armed air forces, so that thay may develop... Enabling them to green up, and introduce AWE where it is needed on each humanitarian basis.
    Seems natural that forces have interest in AWE. Especially air forces.

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15643 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Blade rotors in plane of wing from paravane realm
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15644 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

    Poled man-lift kiting in a wing intended finally for primary glider free-flight gliding is depicted.

    Also in the video: man-lift kiting for training and for launching to another flight mode.

    Gliding 1930

     

     
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15645 From: dave santos Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain
    Rod,

    Your use of "surely" wrongly presumes that enhancing "armed air forces" is only good. That's contradicted by a lot of history. Never forget Guernica, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc., driven by technological progress in the hands of brutal ideologies.

    You seem to buy into an Orwellian green-military myth, where politically-driven slaughter is rebranded as an ecological industry. The bombs must go before the Open AWE kite-hippies can give the greenie peace "OK". If its "natural that forces have interest in AWE. Especially air forces", then "surely" pacifist forces are just as natural (and hopefully greener),

    daveS

    PS Still pondering if JoeF has gifted MacDonald's open-access to the Sky, by freeing his AWE-Enabled Restaurant inventive-leap :)

    -------------------
    US Defense Department spokesman Mark Wright told TheBlaze that the military’s focus on green building standards, electric vehicles, solar panels and a slew of other environmentally sound projects is to reduce dependence on foreign resources and to protect military personnel. “The primary thing to remember about all this is that we’re not doing it to be ‘green’ people,” 
    --------------------
    de Acosta and Aragon-  "(Aviation Pioneer) Santos Dumont was reputed to have seen a flight of bombers flying over his home in the seaside resort of Guarujá. Driven into despair about the destructive use to which aviation was being put, and feeling guilty about his role as a pioneer of flight, he committed suicide by hanging himself." "Santos Dumont donated all the money from all the prizes he won to his faithful mechanics. He also, in a grand and magnanimous gesture, offered all of his engineering plans to the public free of charge."


     


    On Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:07 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15646 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Power Generating Windbags and Waterbags US 20130307274 A1
    He is promoting drag methods big time for air and water.

    ---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <joefaust333@gmail.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15647 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain
    daveS post scripted a pondering:

    PS Still pondering if JoeF has gifted MacDonald's open-access to the Sky, by freeing his AWE-Enabled Restaurant inventive-leap :)

    Answering:
           Yes.  Such would give some widespread exposure to AWES.
    ~ JoeF
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15648 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Lawrence Hargrave - a pioneer in aviation
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15649 From: dave santos Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain
    The probable main effect of 100% Public Domain AWE food tech (3% license waiver) for MacDonald's is for its stockholders to merely pocket the savings as profits. This may be far less "exposure" for AWE than if we collected the 3% toward better education for all children, or if leading AWE intellectuals publicly confront MacDonald's over societal issues (dietary health, living wages, etc.). MacDonald's is already scale-advantaged to dominate over small mom-and-pop food services. 100% public domain AWE IP removes the gifter from otherwise due influence.

    The Robin Hood ethos proposed for Open AWE does not passively treat rich and poor (powerful and weak) as equals, but strives toward a fairer societal balance, by active mastery and passion. Santos-Dumont simply did not realize his unconditional aviation IP gift was a tacit gift to military-industrial aviation. By the time the nightmare fully developed, it was too late for an elderly heart-broken Dumont to effectively protest. Lets not be historical re-enactors of Dumont's suicidal disappointment. Let history help us best ensure idealistic optimism in AWE ultimately prevails.



    On Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:40 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15650 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: How to make payload lifting safer
    Build in redundancy on lift tethering and payload support.

    Personally I'd like to turn this into a bungee trampoline and generating WECS host cross toy..
    But it will be more commercially viable as other things I'm sure.

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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15651 From: Rod Read Date: 10/23/2014
    Subject: Re: Offerings 100% to Public Domain

    It may end up being a similar situation to when the US military changed it's drones from Windows to Linux OS.
    Maybe they'll be persuaded by proprietary marketing budgets before product security wins critical needs cases.
    The kinda good thing is that they will have to reward you for rewriting the cc to include a clause allowing non disclosure of their development... Which is kind of good.
    Less poluting nasties.