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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15300 From: stephane rousson Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Succés Mediatique International pour le Voiler des Airs Aerosail

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15301 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Plan for this motion?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15302 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Jan Claes

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15303 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Plan for this motion?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15304 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15305 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15306 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15307 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15308 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15309 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15310 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15311 From: dougselsam Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15312 From: dougselsam Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15313 From: dougselsam Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15314 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15315 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Occhiello. And SBIC

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15316 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Occhiello. And SBIC

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15317 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Occhiello. And SBIC

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15318 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Train claim in 1948 is emptied by at least circa 1912 fact

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15319 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Minesto wins WWL Orcelle Award 2014

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15320 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Kite System Plans

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15321 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Minesto wins WWL Orcelle Award 2014

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15322 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Minesto wins WWL Orcelle Award 2014

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15323 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15324 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15325 From: Rod Read Date: 10/11/2014
Subject: Re: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15326 From: dave santos Date: 10/11/2014
Subject: Early Carousel Launch Concept

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15327 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/11/2014
Subject: Electricity from AWES by father and son project: Claes family

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15328 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/11/2014
Subject: Re: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15329 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/11/2014
Subject: Homan Walsh

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15330 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15331 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: Homan Walsh

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15332 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Open-AWES Technology-Transfer with Ocean Current Energy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15333 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: One Sky, One World (OSOW) Kite Fly Today

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15334 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15335 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15336 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15337 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15338 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: Windbow

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15339 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Arthur D. Struble, circa 1965

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15340 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: George Lawrence

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15341 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: Latest Altaeros News?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15342 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: Mario Garcia-Sanz honored

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15343 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: Re: EnerKite - Technik und Team - KurzTrailer

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15344 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Art of AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15345 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Art of AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15346 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Art of AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15347 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Art of AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15348 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Art of AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15349 From: dougselsam Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Latest Altaeros News?




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15300 From: stephane rousson Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Succés Mediatique International pour le Voiler des Airs Aerosail
Attachments :
    Bonjour à tous, 

    après 7 ans, enfin j’ai pu préparer mon nouveau vol d’essai avec le Voilier des Airs et sa nouvelle enveloppe argentée, malgré les difficultées rencontrées.

    Il nous aura manqué le vent pour valider à 100 % tout les essais, mais je suis entièrement satisfait de l’opération qui m aura permis de valider le concept de navigation de l’Aerosail et au passage le gonflage sur une barge en mer..

    Une nouvelle voie du transport maritime vient de s’ouvrir.

    Il nous reste à continuer l’aventure et nous préparer pour la prochaine session d’essai et la traversée.

    Nous cherchons activement des partenaires et mécènes.( voir nos dossiers sur mon site www.rousson.org en page aerosail ) , les médias seront de nouveaux au rendez-vous pour vous faire rêver avec des images exceptionnelles ..

    Un grand merci à tout ceux qui m’ont soutenu pour m’aider à fiancer ce premier vol.

    Voici les vidéos

    Sur Euromaxx Deutsche Velle  : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbdfyhueFk


    et la presse  avec notamment l’ Aerosail en  photo du jour sur l AFP.. .

    France, Espagne, Uk, Italie, Canada,USA,  allemagne, Norvege, Danemak, Japon et tout les pays dont j ai pas pu recueprer les coupures de presse ..


    http://1clicknews.com/innovative-or-a-load-of-hot-air-french-adventurer-tests-out-aerosail-ahead-of-planned-mediterranean-crossing/














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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15301 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
    Subject: Plan for this motion?

    Anyone with the plan for the system?  This video is in the Jan Claes video channel:

    x wing delta kite train with savo benesh profile


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15302 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
    Subject: Jan Claes

    http://www.energykitesystems.net/JanClaes/index.html


    Motions?

    Jan Claes brings AWES gems to life.

    Has anyone electric-flygened his Archimedes Screw?  Etc.?

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15303 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
    Subject: Re: Plan for this motion?
    Here is an image that lets one see what is going on: 


    Care to e-flygen mod the device for aloft lighting?

     



    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15304 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
    Subject: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
    Mike Barnard has landed a position as "Senior Fellow" at the Energy & Policy Institute (a small new "think-tank"). He is also the world's leading public AWE detractor, whose flawed technical approach has been countered en masse by PhD AWE experts. He continues to seek publicity for his false belief that AWE R&D is a tactic for global-warming deniers to suppress conventional wind adoption.

    Here is a link to the Energy & Policy Institute, and the message I posted on its contact page-


    ========= Message posted to the Energy & Policy Institute website ==============

    Mike Barnard has repeatedly taken a stand against Airborne Wind Energy (AWE) R&D, claiming that conventional wind is good enough. He makes an unsubstantiated claim that anti-wind forces are behind the R&D, as a ruse to delay conventional wind adoption. With no aerospace expertise, he has gone against the global academic consensus about the promise of developing upper-wind, and has even been caught sock-puppeting his odd opinions into Wikipedia.

    The Energy & Policy Institute staff is asked to take a fresh look at AWE, and substantiate or disavow Mike Barnard's outlier attacks on the emerging tech.

    Thank You.

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15305 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/10/2014
    Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
    Attachments :


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15306 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
      DaveS, your text does not seem to break their rules: 
      1. 1 account per person.
      2. Be civil. No personal attacks.
      3. Respect everyone's time. No spam.
      4. 1 account per person.
      5. Be civil. No personal attacks.
      6. Respect everyone's time. No spam.
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15307 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy

      The site Admin noted that Dave's input may have been sent via a contact form instead of the comment form. That would leave the question as to what message was apparently deleted.   So, maybe the comment page did not delete a DaveS  comment.    
      ~ JoeF
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15308 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15309 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
      Joe,

      It did not seem this was a public comment window, but a direct message to staff. The allegation of sock-puppeting Makani's Wikipedia page could be construed as an attack in need of substantiation, but the staff is presumed open to the factual evidence.

      What is most mysterious about this renewable advocacy institute is its funding sources. It seems plausible that "Industrial" Solar and Wind has become like Big Oil, creating shadowy connections to try and drive public policy. It seems a good cause, but with a problematic process, subject to abuse.

      MikeB will be hard pressed to show climate-science denial somehow driving AWE R&D,

      daveS


      On Friday, October 10, 2014 11:27 AM, "Joe Faust joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15310 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
      Seems like Gabe will respond thoughtfully- Comments read last-to-first-
       Joe Faust commented  1 day ago  · Flag
      Thanks, Gabe,
      Both of us are among the over 1,000 know workers in airborne wind energy. 
      He is a profound fellow technologist with deep text and work in the realm. 
      http://energykitesystems.net/AWEstakeholders/index.html
      Best to your new project, 

      Joe Faust
       Gabe Elsner commented  1 day ago  · Flag
      Hi Joe – we received Dave Santos’ comment via our contact us form and will get back to him. Are you associates with Mr. Santos? 

      Best, 
      Gabe Elsner
       Joe Faust commented  1 day ago  · Flag
      Why did the Santos post get deleted?


      On Friday, October 10, 2014 12:11 PM, dave santos <santos137@yahoo.com
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15311 From: dougselsam Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
      Ha ha, one wonders how long he could maintain those rules!  :)))  It's amazing how people can earn a living doing nothing.  "Yes I'm a senior policy fellow in the Blah Blah Blah M'kay institute, M'Kayyyyy?" 
      "And what do you do for a living?"
      "Oh I fly around the world, burning lots of jet fuel, to stand up in front of large groups of people, who also used lots of jet fuel, saying M'Kayyyyyy?"

      MikeB cannot see the forest, being buried in trees!  Believing global warming is real, he wrings his hands within a fabricated-by-others mindset.  He's living in an artificially constructed version of reality.  These people see only the puppets, but don't glance upward to see who is pulling the puppet-strings. 

      The big oil companies are behind environmental laws, big oil aligned with big gov to restrict drilling, thereby shutting out competition of smaller drillers, coal miners, etc. creating a de facto monopoly.  Keystone Pipeline?  Unwanted competition, and besides, Warren Buffet bought that BNSF railroad (partly from me) and he moves all that oil by rail.  He also doesn;t need the competition.  DOE 's Chu, along with Ebola, stated years ago "we need $5 gasoline".  Keywords: We and Need.  Get it?  The big oil companies agree - they make more money that way!.

      Fracking is screwing up their game.  MikeB, not able to see the puppeteers, doesn't realize that the people who see the puppet-show for what it is, easily find holes in the global warming theory on the simple basis of the actual science, along with the well-known fact of every scientific theory eventually being proven wrong.  "Science" has been hijacked.  Temporarily, we can only hope...

      Also, in the social sciences, the psychological 30-year panic cycle has reliably alternated between warming/cooling for hundreds of years. 
      My take:  Too much emphasis on irrelevant wannabe wind people like a MikeB. Who is he really?  A guy who needed a job?  Someone who couldn't get an actual job in wind energy?  A busybody?  A guy with too much time on his hands and a keyboard?  Sorry to sound mean there.  For all his best intentions, he's pretty much irrelevant.  If we can get AWE up and running, he'll probably say he knew it the whole time.

      All this crap about how windfarms are not ugly and do not affect property values is over the top.  Even windfarm people are tired of looking at all those overlapping rotors, and DEFINITELY do NOT want them near their own houses.  The reason property values hold near windfarms is they move SOME civilization, paved roads, etc., into run-down rural areas.  It's NOT because people like the look.  Drive through Palm Springs on the 10 freeway and witness the visual cacophony, imagine how your town would look with 10,000 giant overlapping rotors.

      My opinion is that one row of wind turbines is beautiful, and a hundred rows is a visual cacophony.

      These windfarms belong high in the sky where they are easier to ignore.  The idea that fossil fuel companies are behind AWE - Is Mike B really saying that?  OMG that is FUNNY!   I WISH!  Geez maybe I should be contacting Exxon-Mobil for funding!  Holy Cow!

      Come to think of it, BP DID contact me years ago, but, like Google, were not serious - not worth the time to even talk to them about it.  Losers!  :)))
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15312 From: dougselsam Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
      Joe Faust commented  1 day ago  Why did the Santos post get deleted?
      *** Insert Laugh-track here ***
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15313 From: dougselsam Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
      "Are you associates with Mr. Santos?"
      *** Insert ominous music here***
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15314 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Energy & Policy Institute asked to define its AWE Policy
      There have been several Big Oil connections in AWE, in the form of small grants (SABIC excepted), but there has been no attempt to bash conventional renewables, and the logic is to keep energy bets open by excess cash. Big Oil has put far more cash into conventional wind and solar farms, by the same diversification logic. Far more money in AWE has come from non-Oil sources like university budgets, and venture players from GoogleX on down to small investors.

      AWE will raise in public visibility if this turns into a "conspiracy theory" debate. The ironic result may well be that anti-renewable forces embrace AWE over wind towers, supposing MikeB to be right about AWE's poor prospects, but then AWE emerges as the best anti-Oil tech. Doug is the one known climate-science denier in AWE (charitably presuming the "rotating tower" ST is airborne), and he is marginally associated with a few serious AWE practitioners, but mostly rejects the R&D. The truth of MikeB's thesis absurdly only hangs on Doug.







      On Friday, October 10, 2014 1:22 PM, "dougselsam@yahoo.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15315 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Occhiello. And SBIC

      "Ernesto Occhiello" 

      Applicant:    Saudi Basic Industries Corporation

      http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000026346587.pdf


      We may have had a small note about this in the forum. 

      The notes in the patent allow for several kinds of kite systems.


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15316 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Occhiello. And SBIC

      Prior post upper link correction to: 

      Patent WO2014140826A2 - Renewable energy system for generating hydrogen and hydrogen products


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15317 From: dave santos Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Occhiello. And SBIC
      If any proof was wanted that patent examiners have surrendered the job of vetting obvious prior art, this patent is it.

      Its also a disturbing indication that SABIC's Code of Ethics is a hollow fiction with regard to troll patents in AWE. They have the money to use patents like this to kill off small ventures who seek to match AWE to a coming Hydrogen Economy, even though the prior art is well established. One would need hundreds of thousands of dollars just to show up at trial with invalidating art, at current patent litigation rates.

      SABIC Ventures is clearly dominating AWE patent troll activity by focusing investment on KiteGen's patent portfolio (which is greater than all the rest of EU combined), which has no known inventive leap, but threatens free use of extensive prior-art. SABIC Ventures is neglecting the hard work of a diversified AWE portfolio that creates core engineering science value by best-practice R&D.

      Dutch SABIC Ventures' analysts are not responsive to AWES Forum questions about AWE junk-patents and the SABIC ethics code.


       


      On Friday, October 10, 2014 5:42 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15318 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Train claim in 1948 is emptied by at least circa 1912 fact

      US2562789 F: October 18, 1948. Raymond P. Holland Jr.   Kite.  [ "multiple kite flight system"  "upper kites of a flight series"  "adjustable ballast bag"  "achieve multiple flying"    He did not comment about the wear of the line going through the slip to achieve the multiple kite series; the line will rub on the keel and sail during flight; sleaving special might be needed. ]  
           How
      accurate is Holland's claim: "Heretofore no kite has been successfully designed whereby several kites may be flown, one above another in stacked relationship on a single ground cord, contrasting with conventional use of a plurality of ground cords branching out from a single cord held by the operator." ?? [ Claim is invalidated by early Perkins train or others before him.]   Search for single-line centipede kites before Holland; search to see if the Weather Bureau had any single-line trains. Did Eddy try single-line train? Did the Scotland pair try single-line train? Did Woglom mention single-line train? An historical counterexample would be even a two wing system with the second wing mounted to the one main ground tether; it is difficult to believe that the thousands years of kiting had not seen such an arrangement; so we search for such counterexample. Did the pilot section of the French Army man-lifting kite train feature single-cord stacking? armymanliftkitetrain.jpg Write a history of train kites and see where Holland fits. Does any patent achieve the single-line train before Holland? Has someone published a robust history of kite trains?  KiteTrainsAtEKS  http://www.howtokites.com/2012/10/04/kite-train-flying-is-for-all-kinds-of-kites/  

      Photo: Circa: 1912? Photo showing single cord holding train of wings. This would invalidate Holland's patent claim of 1948.  Designer:  "Samuel F. Perkins, a Boston based kite maker and promoter"

      Well, we find easily prior art: Gonzo Death Traps From the Early Days of Aviation: Man-Liftin Kites  which article brings forward a military experiment that had a train of wings on one ground cord. 

      ~ JoeF


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15319 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Minesto wins WWL Orcelle Award 2014
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15320 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Kite System Plans

      Detail plans for kite systems are invited to be linked in this topic thread. 

      The systems may be for any scale or purpose. Advanced AWES plans are welcome. Some plans refine specifications to achieve particular purposes. Plans for utility-scale AWES for electrical generation may one day be linked from this topic thread. Plans are of various sorts and quality. 


      Start: 

      There are many plans at KitePlans.org    The largest kite plan archive - Kite Plan Base (KPB) 

      Plans may be modifications of other plans; link the files of those also. 

      Some plans will be highly illustrated; some will include videos and still photographs of builds. Some plans will append flight reports and detail application procedures.  Flygen or groundgen (or both in one) mod some plan to produce a new AWES plan. 


      ===  A general link over phrase "kite plan"  http://tinyurl.com/KitePlanGENERAL
       

       ~ JoeF

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15321 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Minesto wins WWL Orcelle Award 2014


      Minesto - tidal and ocean current energy

      Short video  of the flygen paravane system

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15322 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Minesto wins WWL Orcelle Award 2014


      Minesto - Ocean Energy Solutions | Technology Development


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15323 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Windbow
      We have some mention of Windbow. But now this topic thread invites long-term invitation to a study and discussion of Windbow arch kite and mods of similar wings. 

      Start: 



      where there is this text: 
      "12emes Rencontres Internationales de cerfs-volants, Alain Chevalier avait déroulé son Fil d'Ariane sur un champ éolien où sont venus Etienne Veyre (et ses arches fantastiques),"

      Will Windbow mods be WEC lifters?
      Will Windbow mods be pumping AWES electricity producers?
      Scaling?
      Builds and experiences?

      ~ JoeF
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15324 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/10/2014
      Subject: Re: Windbow
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15325 From: Rod Read Date: 10/11/2014
      Subject: Re: Windbow
      In the KPB instructions The leading edge is shown as being made shorter than the trailing edge ...
      ???? Is that right...???
      SO?.. because it's leaning back with drag... the tail isn't above the leading edge... suppose so

      Here's the secret ingredient: trim the edges of the units into a truncated wedge, 1/4 inch in on each side of the leading edge (see drawing in above post). This will bring the ribbon in about 1/2 inch at every batten pocket on the leading edge and create the shallow curve that's needed.


      Rod Read

      Windswept and Interesting Limited
      15a Aiginis
      Isle of Lewis
      UK
      HS2 0PB

      07899057227
      01851 870878


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15326 From: dave santos Date: 10/11/2014
      Subject: Early Carousel Launch Concept

      Note the cover art in the link below; precursor concept to KULeuven and Ampyx AWES-



      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15327 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/11/2014
      Subject: Electricity from AWES by father and son project: Claes family
      Letter to the editor of Upper WindPower on October 10, 2014

      Jan Claes
      My son used the experiment for a school project.
      The Archimedes Screw is driving a lite DC permanent magnet dynamo. The bowed cable is the line to the ground.
      Via the link you see a video with the results on both A and V meters; the voice in the background is reading the wind speed in m/s.
      The resulting power was very small (low wind conditions to max of 18 m/sec. But is was fun to do.)


      [[Moderator notes:  I am not sure if members will be able to see the following short video, still, or wing pattern and notes:  


      And this still photo: 
      ]]

      Moderator adds: 

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15328 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/11/2014
      Subject: Re: Windbow

      Good question, Rod.

      Maybe the pucker just kisses the AoA for effective airfoil forming.

      Let's look for robust discovery on the matter.

      =====================================

      New dedicated folder:

      Windbow Kites

       

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15329 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/11/2014
      Subject: Homan Walsh

      Homan Walsh

      Purposeful kiting. Homan got the job done with his kite system.

      He helped to bridge two nations by putting his kite system to work. 

      His AWES used the wind's energy to lift string to accomplish an objective. 

      Homan won a contest. 


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15330 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: Windbow
      The WindBow is a wonderful kite arch case. Its not as stable as a Mothra, nor as unstable as a flipwing*, since slow sinuous dancing is the desired effect. Mothra traces its roots to arches by Ansar Anders, WKM events, and George Peters. 

      Ansar is a longtime wind-hacking contact, and I followed his ribbon-arch experiments long before locating at WKM. His non-tailored arches did not have the "freed leech", so they flew semi-stalled at a disappointing low angle (but he did manage to sail two bikes tacking directly upwind with and arch between them).

      WKM arch events featured Ohashi himself, and EU arches made with many self-trimming kixels. KLG discovered that a curved leech (TE) worked well with a straight luff (LE) for both arches and flipwings. Years before, GeorgeP had discovered his tailored planform (working with other talents), which is contained in the KLG planform. kPower connected with GeorgeG in Denver, during an NREL/NWTC visit. Drachen Foundation is a nexus of arch domain experts like WKM and GeorgeG. Rod took up arch CAD studies, and has done great work. In parallel to all this, the SkyBow has emerged by Roy Mueller, James Mallos and Tony Mallow. The kite arch design space is rich and powerful.

      The strangest kite arch case is reanalysis of TUDelft kite testing in wind tunnels and simulations, where the kites did not have long tethers, but were "staked out" into arches. The data was wonderful validation, even showing self-pumping modes, but TUDelft seems to have overlooked the arch opportunity, especially cross-wind laddermills (with Wubbo down, they futzed with Bell kites, Makani stealth-contract work, reeling AWES details, etc.). Arch experiments at UGrenoble had good results, but were very preliminary.

      Our growing circle of arch freaks has become a large informal Net think-tank. KPower has next-generation arch designs in the pipeline.


      * Disregarding dynamic stability of oscillation.


      On Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:13 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15331 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: Homan Walsh
      Charles Ellet Jr. was the bridge engineer who specified the kite idea, which pre-existed: but the genius aspect was letting a child do the deed, rather than an adult, over the natural sublimity of Niagara Falls.


      On Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:12 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15332 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Open-AWES Technology-Transfer with Ocean Current Energy
      Almost every idea commutes between wind kiting and water paravaning, such that an idea emerging in one domain is likely a contribution to the other. Over time, both domains develop more advanced rigs in mirrored progress. Broadly seen, new lattice methods can host large dense arrays in both cases, by the same principles.
       
      Passive-control AWES methods worked out by KLG and kPower will also work underwater. A looping neutral-buoyancy hyrdofoil can be effectively constrained and tapped for power using the kite energy pattern language of anchor, PTO, power-wing, and pilot-kite. In the marine case, the "anchor" can be a buoy or bottom anchor, and the "pilot-kite" paravane various combinations of ballast, buoyancy, and drag.

      CC 4.x BY NC SA
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15333 From: dave santos Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: One Sky, One World (OSOW) Kite Fly Today
      Be a part of the peace-kite movement; get out today and fly your kite with many thousands of others, the world over-

       

       

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      October: One Sky, One World Kite Fly For Peace | World K...
      Saturday & Sunday October 11 & 12, 2014 ...and always the second Sunday in October... One Sky, One World – Long Beach, WA One Sky, One World –

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      Note: OSOW is uniquely celebrated two days here on the WA coast. Yesterday I put a Gomberg Falcon up on 900ft of line (taking advantage of FAA kite-fest waiver). The session was toward serious altitude attempts with trains. A bronze statue of Capt. Clark held the kite, which flew at a super-high angle, with the long line degrading flight angle only moderately (~80 =
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15334 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: Windbow
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15335 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: Windbow

      Spelling correction, thanks:    Correct:  Anders Ansar



      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15336 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: Windbow
      Is this a a type of winbow ???   ... with side two anchors meeting at a single point which is furthered ground anchored?

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15337 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: Windbow
      Will the following tactic tech be used by some in windbow-using AWES?
      Patent US6845948 - Adaptable kite/airfoil

       



      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15338 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: Windbow
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15339 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Arthur D. Struble, circa 1965

      Arthur D. Struble of Torrance, California, circa 1965, 

      instructs on matters of putting kite systems to purpose works. 

      And instructs on some details about the wings used.


      Patent US3412963 - Method and apparatus for supporting an object


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15340 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: George Lawrence
      George Lawrence


       "kite aerial photography" - Google Search

       

      KAP is a branch of purposeful kiting, an AWE sector. KAP may be combined with other AWE objectives in one system. Utility-scale electricity AWES may integrate KAP for possible various reasons: control, surveillance, maintenance, education, training, management, security, ...

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15341 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: Latest Altaeros News?
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15342 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: Mario Garcia-Sanz honored
      Control & Energy Systems Center (CESC)
       E.A.G.L.E. system project 
       The E.A.G.L.E. system: Electrical Airborne Generator with a Lighter-than-air Eolian system

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15343 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/12/2014
      Subject: Re: EnerKite - Technik und Team - KurzTrailer

      EnerKite – Airborne Wind Energy | URBAN GALLERY Smart City Incubator: Berlin


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15344 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
      Subject: Art of AWES
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15345 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
      Subject: Re: Art of AWES
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15346 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
      Subject: Re: Art of AWES
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15347 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
      Subject: Re: Art of AWES
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15348 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/13/2014
      Subject: Re: Art of AWES
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15349 From: dougselsam Date: 10/13/2014
      Subject: Re: Latest Altaeros News?
      PopSci October 6, 2014 Article: Altaeros "news"
      http://www.popsci.com/article/science/quest-harness-wind-energy-2000-feet?dom=PSC&loc=slider&lnk=3&con=the-quest-to-harness-wind-energy-at-2000-feet
      Note: The story leaves off at yesteryear's promises, offers NO news of current status, even though this is a major "news" publication, October article.

      Try the Fairbanks newspaper:
      Aerial wind turbines could help power rural Alaska villages

       

      I called them to inquire a couple weeks ago, when we first started wondering about the Alsaka project's status.
      Contact Us - Fairbanks Daily News-Miner: Site
      Took a few calls to find anyone who had any idea what I was asking about.
      Finally, one editor/reporter told me about another reporter who had done the above story about it ahead of the fact.

      I explained the persistent problem of "green energy press-release" enthusiasm evaporating after the initial story full of promises, and how we seldom hear a followup story to examine whether the promises actually materialize.

      (As we now know, they "quietly go away" - think "whale bumps": 1000 stories full of promises, zero followup stories explaining how nobody ended up using whalebumps)

      I asked "Why feature a story telling what "will" happen, and not follow it up with a story that reports the actual news of what DID happen, or what IS happening? I explained how people are curious to hear "the rest of the story" (as in "news" hello?).

      It's amazing to me to read an article that says:
      "This system defines the future of "emerging technology X" due to "superior features Y and Z", then they just leave you hanging.  It is not logical to assume, on the one hand, people should be eager to read such promises, then assume, on the other hand, the same readers have no curiosity to read a followup story that tells what DID happen, current actual NEWS, or what the progress actually IS.

      (It's almost as though today's "journalists" are so used to just printing any old lies, rather than doing actual reporting, that the concept of doing actual reporting doesn't even occur to them. "Follow up on a story?  Hmmmm, interesting idea - I guess we COULD do that...")

      The guy I had on the phone assured me that the reporter who had done the original story would be calling me as soon as he was contacted, which, of course, I knew was unlikely.  More likely his phone rang again and the thought evaporated from his mind as someone mentioned "where to have lunch"...

      "Press-release science" - hear the promise, then please forget you ever heard it, because apparently nobody is interested in the actual story, just the fantasy.(?)