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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14947 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Re: Gyroplane Rotor Blades

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14948 From: dave santos Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Re: Rotating Parachute Systems (RPS)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14949 From: dave santos Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14950 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Small Kite Generator (title is machine translation)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14951 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Re: Small Kite Generator (title is machine translation)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14952 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14953 From: Rod Read Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Rotating Parachute Systems (RPS)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14954 From: Rod Read Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Rotating Parachute Systems (RPS)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14955 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Jib-sail rotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14956 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14957 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14958 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14959 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14960 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14961 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-rotor kite-lifted "Coaxial multi-turbine generator" by Ha

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14962 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: AWE Patent Examination Standards?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14963 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: FAA issuing "N" numbers to AWES UAS

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14964 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Paravane art

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14965 From: Baptiste Labat Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Small Kite Generator (title is machine translation)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14966 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Small Kite Generator (title is machine translation)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14967 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Paravane art

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14968 From: Rod Read Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14969 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Paravane art

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14970 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14971 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14972 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14973 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: AWES Photo of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14974 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Photo of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14975 From: dougselsam Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14976 From: Rod Read Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: FAA issuing "N" numbers to AWES UAS

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14978 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14979 From: Rod Read Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: cheap line travel diodes

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14980 From: dave santos Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14981 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14982 From: dougselsam Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Photo of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14983 From: dave santos Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Photo of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14984 From: dave santos Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: FAA issuing "N" numbers to AWES UAS

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14985 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: WECs under arch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14986 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: AWES Art of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14987 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Art of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14988 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Art of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14989 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Art of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14990 From: dougselsam Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Photo of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14991 From: dougselsam Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Art of the Week

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14992 From: dougselsam Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: wholesale wind energy price now 2.5 cents

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14993 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Women in AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14994 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Wind Energy Harvester Vanes In Face

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14995 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: From beer can in the 1980s

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14996 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: AWT concept

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14997 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Lta windpower



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14947 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Re: Gyroplane Rotor Blades


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14948 From: dave santos Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Re: Rotating Parachute Systems (RPS)
Doug,

Joe and I love AWE rotors perhaps more than anyone. Between the two of us, nobody has publicly documented and tested more rotor ideas than us (like the KiteMotor series). We have also covered spinning parachutes more than anyone in past years. Its driveshafts that seem marginal, not rotors.

You seem to think AWE rotors just occurred to us, and that other WECS should be neglected. "Not correct". Someday find something useful to add, rather than mistake what others are about,

daveS


On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:17 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14949 From: dave santos Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
Pierre,

I agree, work closely with Doug. Perhaps the two of you can do great things by cooperating,

daveS


On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:55 PM, "dougselsam@yahoo.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14950 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Small Kite Generator (title is machine translation)
https://www.google.com/patents/CN203670096U

Filed: Jan. 22, 2014.
Small Kite Generator (title is machine translation from Chinese)
Careful English translation is invited from anyone. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14951 From: Joe Faust Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Re: Small Kite Generator (title is machine translation)


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14952 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

DougS,

Thanks for your right advice. Indeed R&D in embedded aligned rotors are tiny or not existing. By building prototypes,some new ideas will come. Perhaps one among them can be patented. When some work will be realized better places than present DaveS's forum will be used. By the same your ST is well known but by press, not by present forum.

 

PierreB,

http://flygenkite.com

 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14953 From: Rod Read Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Rotating Parachute Systems (RPS)
I agree...
I could easily tie a stack of those together and with lift at the top harness rotational energy output at the bottom

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14954 From: Rod Read Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Rotating Parachute Systems (RPS)

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14955 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Jib-sail rotor
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14956 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
​Pierre B,  
          That you have yet to find research results on embedded rotors is no proof that research has not been done.  Local no-find is no proof of non-existence. Early easy quitting a search assures not finding further matter.  Rather, growing the search effort may uncover some gems. Maybe the search has just begun ...  
Keywords? Looking in the right places? Similarity cases?    

Consider researching:
== Wind walls with and without embedded turbines: walls of fans and vanes and propellers and blades and turbines. The walls have holes and the holes are occupied with vanes or impellers or propellers or blades.  Such multi-rotor walls have the vanes in plane with the face of the wall. Such walls or planes have been subject of sail patents, ventilation patents, wind-tunnel patents, ... perhaps.   Explore multi-rotor literature with a full spectrum of keywords. ​
== Explore Salient Elephant also; he has some things that might lead.  HAWT Wall shows non-embedded HAWTs in ring. 
== Embedded turbines in instruments that measure airspeed?
== The deep realm of shrouded turbine blades may be fruitful; see the shroud as the face of the plane of concern; see the hole and the occupation by rotor. 
== Wind makers?  Fans. Wind machines. Line of rotors to make wind for movies, for testing aircraft, for testing architectural constructions, for artificial sporting, for wind tunnels, for wind rectification by use of small aggregate rotors, ...  Aggregates of fans. Wall of fans. Fan walls.  Fly the fan wall.  Fan array. Turbine array.  Fan wall technology. 
== Explore the full realm of embedded turbines that surround the quadcopter craze. Some studies show open and free rotors, but others show guarded and shrouded and embedded rotors for ducting, safety, bumpering. Upon power off??? 
==  tube axial duct fans
== Altaeros uses a kite face and a hole occupied by a turbine that is generally set to the plane of the face of the kite (kytoon). Such follows the public domain arts that we have traced. 
== As Rod Read has been exploring hex-celling or honeycombing  .... Holes of HoneyComb?   Busy bee occupy the holes of the hex net with wind turbines; the face of the hex sail is planer with the turbines.     Honeycomb Drone Swarm Can Fly In Any Shape
======= http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/4-researchersb.jpg
== http://www.dac-hvac.com/ask-rick/ask-rick-fan-array-does-it-make-sense/
== http://carljbushcompany.com/commercialwallfans.htm
== TWT  Tethered Wind Turbine   http://amickglobal.com/wind_turbines/twt/
== RAT. RATs. ram-air turbines. Banked turbines. RAT arrays. 
==  SAIL AUGMENTED WIND TURBINE AND ARRAYS THEREOF         WINDensity, Inc.         John Roskey
==  Sail embedded drawtube arrays     John Roskey      He may have tabs on special relevant studies. 

===   ... and more that has yet to be noticed.   The search just might be in early stages!  

 Salient White Elephant
  Salient White Elephant
   Amazon. Embedded turbine in plane of face ...
====================
TWT:   Amick Global
TWT Figures 8A, 8B from PPA




 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14957 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14958 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14959 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ


Membrane Embedded Ruggedized Turbine
 


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:47 AM, "Joe Faust joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14960 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
The corrected link for the forum message related:
Yahoo! Groups

 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14961 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-rotor kite-lifted "Coaxial multi-turbine generator" by Ha
Harburg is a nicely conceived "turbine-on-a-turbine" "under-a-pilot-lifter" AWES concept, but the inherent weakness identified by Gordon ("nature abhors torque") was eliminated by GrantC's (SkyMill) patented idea to comprise a stack of pumping turbines. This is the final design step required for the  turbine-on-a-turbine idea to be able to get to the FAA 2000ft limit, and as far as we know on the AWES Forum, Grant's patent is valid.

Note that GrantC is considered a gifted self-taught AWES engineer by those who have worked with him (DaveL, ScottW, me, etc,), but supports his family by specialty architectural work as AWE grows to fully employ its wonderful talent pool. It was an honor to help him fly a prototype SkyMill here on the US NW coast a few years ago, and its great to hear from DaveL that SkyMill is on the move (albeit in stealth-mode). We presume the strategic Boeing MOU that SkyMill secured is being built upon, given the location and affiliations of Grant's team.


On Monday, September 22, 2014 11:31 AM, dave santos <santos137@yahoo.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14962 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: AWE Patent Examination Standards?
AWE patent-holders (like Massimo Ippolito on KiteGen's Forum) publicly assert modern patent examination as a sound standard of validity. This is not true, nor should it be, according to this third-party (non-AWE) expert view of modern patent validation-

Rational Ignorance at the Patent Office by Mark A. Lemley :: SSRN
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14963 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: FAA issuing "N" numbers to AWES UAS
AWES are just one of many UAS types the FAA is regulating for airspace safety compliance. We are a small group alongside the large "drone pack" with regard to a flood of new and pending UAS rules.

The FAA is requiring all UAS to register aircraft "N numbers", which KiteLab Group and kPower will seek first for our PL Pilot-Lifter Stack (in FAA colors), giving us flexibility to fly WECS payloads of many kinds, for testing at up 2000ft. N numbers will be painted full-scale on both (flared) sides of a white lifter unit.

Here's how to play-

Unmanned Systems News 29/9/2014 - Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14964 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Paravane art

Paravane art

topic for posting and discussing paravane art. 

Water kites with the wing flying in the media water ... called paravanes and other special names. 


An art that I had missed:

Underwater Ocean Turbines Will Generate Renewable Energy
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14965 From: Baptiste Labat Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Small Kite Generator (title is machine translation)
I found this drawing very clever.
1 -The gears enable to get a different speed at reel in and reel out, which is what is suggested by different optimisations
2- Given the shape of the kites, pulling them by the queue they will be acting like a flag with a good stability.

Does anybody know how the traction is changing from one kite to the other one?

++
Baptiste
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14966 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Small Kite Generator (title is machine translation)
I thought it was one kite shown in two positions, to suggest a motion range, but the drawing was not very clear.


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 1:16 PM, "Baptiste Labat baptiste.labat@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14967 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Paravane art


Powered moving anchor (powered boat) "flies" paravanes that aid in "flying" array of sensors. 

Patent US7404370 - Steerable diverter for towed seismic streamer arrays
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14968 From: Rod Read Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

I'd call that a virtual treasure trove Pierre.
Loving the one that looks like a fish
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14969 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: Paravane art
Jan Erik Stokkeland is obviously a very practical marine engineer who discloses by several patents a grand synthesis of trawling and trolling methods for a paravane-based (trawling otter-boards for multi-line set) sonic phased array. He did not anticipate quite similar KiteLab AWES kite methods (documented on-Forum and in the Defensive Disclosures) derived from the same maritime influences (I live in a commercial port, and study fishing rigging for AWE application). 

Jan would be a wonderful talent to to work on dense WECS arrays (like trolling) hosted by megascale arches (like trawling), with similar rigs and loadings. Fishing is a TRL-9 form of kiting underwater upside-down in the dark.
 


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 1:39 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14970 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
Wind wheels in apertures, each with its own generator.  Use suitable support for holding the collection into the wind. 
Circa 1928; Netherlands
Patent US1876595 - Alexander beldimano
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14971 From: dave santos Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
Very nice when a classic (1929) Dutch wind patent* matches our AWES thinking. Note that this patent represents HAWT orientation in a dense tensile "turbixel" field. Winch such an array up on TE halyards under a lifter-arch, as the wind freshens. CC 4.x BY NC SA


* The 1920s represent the grand culmination of Dutch Poldermolen design perfection.


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 5:04 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14972 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
"no tip"
Wind Power Cube, Inc. - Our Evolutionary Design
Fill the hole completely. Hide the generator into the rim. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14973 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: AWES Photo of the Week
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14974 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Photo of the Week
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14975 From: dougselsam Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
They advertise 300 - 3000 Watts at 6 feet diam but 300 Watts would actually be peak for this farm style rotor.  "Ceramic bearings..."  These guys are just dreaming.  Armchair engineers.  I doubt you will ever see this turbine produced at all, ever. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14976 From: Rod Read Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: FAA issuing "N" numbers to AWES UAS
N00BS would be cool

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14978 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ

Precision of concerned post,

Not relevant (14956)

 

PierreB


 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14979 From: Rod Read Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: cheap line travel diodes
You've probably seen the fabric wristband barrel lock still on the wrist of festival goers.

The outer barrel is free to rotate around an inner gripping part... so could be good for mounting a spinner which you want to keep high on a lift rope...
Sound familiar?

http://www.idcband.co.uk/security-wristbands/fabric-wristbands/fabric-barrel-lock

The same idea could be easily adapted for higher performance and clamp on and off functionality.

cc4.0nc by sa

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14980 From: dave santos Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
Pierre,

What about the KiteLab Membrane Embedded Turbine concept? Its relevant, No?

The physical model was a tangible expression of a broader conceptual study, which prominently included dense-arrays in soft wings. More drawings and discussion can be found, but you are not yet reacting to the photo and test provided you (which you seemed mockingly to think did not exist).

Please reply,

daveS


On Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:08 AM, "pierre.benhaiem@orange.fr [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14981 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES for electricity production in utility-scale? Turbines integ
Consider: 
1. Ease of old art reflecting into new projects. 
2. Units for mass production for insetting into face of sails. 
3. Growth of nuances on old theme. And looking closely, perhaps be inspired to tweak things in new efforts. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14982 From: dougselsam Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Photo of the Week
Nice job, Dan Tracy - 10 easy ways to do AWE is an understatement. :)
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14983 From: dave santos Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Photo of the Week
Doug,

Its not like you can list your "ten easy ways to do AWE" fairly. Its more like you just wait to see what pops up to declare it was your idea all along, but without any auditable trail of inventive priority, but with a patronizing claim of co-credit. No on is fooled; this is not "world's greatest" inventiveness, but misappropriation of credit deserved by others.

You are still in deep denial that FAA AWES Certification of Airworthiness, kite mastery, and other essential AWES aspects really are not "easy" to develop. Dan Tracy is a recognized kite master who makes it LOOK easy only to those who have no idea of the actual design difficulties.

Don't you have any "easy" AWES concept of your own in serious development?

daveS


On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:37 AM, "dougselsam@yahoo.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14984 From: dave santos Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: FAA issuing "N" numbers to AWES UAS
It would not be cool; that N number would be obvious AWE hype. Suppress humor when aviation safety is the issue, since more fatal accidents happen to jokers, and nobody laughs. N numbers are for tracking life-cycle safety issues like maintenance and repairs, aircraft by aircraft. AWE presents interesting questions about what a designated aircraft is when it has a ground-station and tether, and perhaps changes wings to match conditions. Semantic skills are essential to defining the novel aspects for FAA use.

Get your N numbers going, and begin testing operations under EXPERIMENTAL designation, as allowed by your FSDO. This is the regulatory R&D bunny slope before eventually earning Type Airworthiness Certification (which is not "easy", nor should be). Rod, you could cross-check for ICAO and EU differences in details (like EU FSDO norms), as we go further down this path in US terms.


Type certificate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




On Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:21 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14985 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: WECs under arch
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14986 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: AWES Art of the Week

EUROSTARS Q-SAIL PROJECT

THE FUTURE OF ENERGY LIES IN NORWEGIAN TIDES

Tidal Sails, a start-up from Norway


Link One


LINK TWO ..(laddermill?}


Link Three:  Tidal Sails website
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14987 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Art of the Week
Covering one of the broken links on intended art for Tidal Sails, Norway where the lifting paravane allows a vertical laddermill kite energy system: 
http://www.energykitesystems.net/TidalSailsNORWAY/TidalSailsVERTICAL.jpg
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14988 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Art of the Week
Covering one of the other broken links:
http://tinyurl.com/TidalSailsARTICLE
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14989 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Art of the Week
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14990 From: dougselsam Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Photo of the Week
"Doug, Its not like you can list your "ten easy ways to do AWE" fairly."
*** U R not payin' attention.  U and Joe have both mentioned several viable ways, I guess without knowing it?  How many ways have we seen on this list?  1000?  Are you saying it is an overstatement that 1% would actually work?  I really can't believe anyone who claims to have tested so many methods can't grasp that 10 easy ways is a huge understatement. 

You claim to have tested more ways than anyone...  HAVEN'T YOU TESTED 10 WAYS YET?  Why, if you don't believe there ARE "10 easy ways"?  Pick a lane. Apparently nothing you test works, and you don't expect them to work..  So you test 10 ideas, thinking there are not 10 good ideas?  Bad ideas or poor execution?  Makes no sense.

Yeah, place a wind turbine on a kite - sure Dave S., nobody could have EVER thought of that, right?  I just "claimed" to have "already thought of it" after " getting the idea" from Makani and Dan Tracy (and the thousand patents I've been reading for 20 years) right?  What the hell are you on anyway?  I want some!  Where else would any hypothetical "reasonable person" start, but to mount a wind turbine on a kite?  Whether or not it is "the answer", it is certainly the most obvious thing that any normal person could immediately think of, or at least understand, and agree that it would be a no-brainer to at least try, if you had nothing better.  My God, you are talking to the guy who invented Laddermill before Ockels was even an astronaut!  Almost befoew there even WERE astronauts.  And you think I never thought of lifting a windmill with a kite?  Be serious.

Let's see:
mount a turbine on a kite (Makani, Dan)
hang a turbine from a kite
mount a turbine in a kite's lifting surface (Pierre)
hang a turbine from a blimp (me and you)
suspend a SuperTurbine(R) from a kite or blimp (me) as tether
weave an elongate darrieus SuperTurbine(R) and suspend it from a kite or blimp (me) as tether
Laddermill (Me, Ockels)
Skywindpower-style flying rotor array
stacked kites lifting turbines (Joe and me)
buoyant rotor (me and others)
multiple turbines in array, suspended by a kite a la Damiano (me, you, others)

There, 13 ways+,  in 10 seconds - any questions?
You wanna hear 50 more? gimme 5 minutes to list 50 more ways.

We havent' even bothered to list all the BAD ways, like kite-reeling, or proven AWE-related arts like kite-surfing, pulling ships with kites, kite-fishing, or airplane wind-driven APU's  (5 more ways in 5 more seconds) that you and Joe claim fall under the definition of AWE (once again, pick a lane).
 
U R  a complete IDIOT.  Oh, sorry.  That is really bad netiquette.  I would request you stop harassing me.  Then again, without harassing people all day, what would you do with your time?
Even an idiot (woops!) like YOU (doh!) has probably listed at least 10 viable methods on this list.  What do you have amnesia too?
Moron! (Sorry - my bad netiquette again)

And as far as what I do to move wind energy forward, I helped to install a small SuperTurbine(R) just yesterday, at an industrial location, with a well-known installer (why did he pick a SuperTurbine(R)?) , with a great view of thousands of gigantic turbines, near one of the world's largest windfarms. That one small SuperTurbineR), installed yesterday, by today, has probably produced more energy than all the AWE turbines in world history combined.

Hope I didn't exaggerate.  That would be bad netiquette.  :O......................


 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14991 From: dougselsam Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: AWES Art of the Week
Very cool artwork - as illustrated it has some issues that would occur in operation - it would not end up looking exactly like that, from my experience anyway.  The laws of physics emerge in unforeseen ways when you actually start building and running stuff. Lots of problems come out to bite you, despite your best intentions.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14992 From: dougselsam Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: wholesale wind energy price now 2.5 cents
I know all of you have been reading the same thing in all those free wind energy magazines that we wind people get barraged with... right?  right?
Hello? 
Well, anyway, it seems like I've now read about 10 times that the average going rate for Wind PPA's in 2013 was for 2.5 cents/kWh, down from 4 cents.
Gosh, losing 40% of your income stream - reminds me of kite-reeling, with its retraction cycle!  :O................

A riddle:  How many kite-reeling teams does it take to prove kite-reeling is not a viable method of generating electricity?  Answer:  All of them
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14993 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Women in AWE

Authors are invited to post a feature post for women working in AWE.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14994 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Wind Energy Harvester Vanes In Face

Energy Update: A Wind Harvester Idea Worth Repeating

Energy Update: A Wind Harvester Idea Worth Repeating

 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14995 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: From beer can in the 1980s

An old tethered turbine from the eighties, crushed in storage, Shawn is mistaken about the difficulty of small cheap reliable turbines. Blades are from a beer can. Brooks saw many of these fly in public. They made music and lit LEDs. No failures.   
http://www.energykitesystems.net/DaveSantos/tetheredturbine.jpg


 ~ ds
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14996 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: AWT concept

airborne wind turbine

System uses a "rotating tethered line"   or "rotating cable"

but not in the sense of torque cable.  Study comments are invited. 

Head of project is   Dipl. Ing. (FH) Bernd Lau
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 14997 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Lta windpower

Paul F. Pugh teaching is joined to the LTA collection.

He taught lifting of HAWT flygen.


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