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Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12648	From: Pierre BENHAIEM	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12649	From: Rod Read	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: mechanised pumping automation sketch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12650	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: A new candidate for minimum viable AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12651	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: A new candidate for minimum viable AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12652	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Endless Belt AWES by Leonid Goldstein

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12653	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: (WO2014028201) AIRBORNE CONCENTRATED SOLAR PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEM

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12654	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Endless Belt AWES by Leonid Goldstein

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12655	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Endless Belt AWES by Leonid Goldstein

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12656	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Lights, mirror, conductor from ground to wing, night search lights

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12657	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Sawing

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12658	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Sawing

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12659	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Sawing

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12660	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Sawing

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12661	From: Joe Faust	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Fwd: Drachen Foundation Newsletter: April 2014

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12662	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Preface & Introduction: Modular Foil Vane and Kite Energy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12664	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Preface & Introduction: Modular Foil Vane and Kite Energy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12665	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Preface & Introduction: Modular Foil Vane and Kite Energy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12666	From: dougselsam	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Sawing

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12667	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Kitricity to power electrical machines

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12668	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12669	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12670	From: Pierre BENHAIEM	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12671	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: TAKASAKI, Toshiyuki

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12673	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: TAKASAKI, Toshiyuki

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12674	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: TAKAOKA on POWER GENERATION APPARATUS, circa 2003, Jan. 28.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12675	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: TAKASAKI, Toshiyuki

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12676	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: MIYASHITA on an AWES arrangement

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12677	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Google: besides Makani Power: ...UAV:: Raburn-led Titan Aerospace

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12678	From: Rod Read	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: localised power uses at altitude, kite targets and hydrogen gen

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12679	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12680	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Actual, (not too complicated) looping machine

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12681	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12682	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12683	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: localised power uses at altitude, kite targets and hydrogen gen

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12684	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12685	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12686	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Flying orca

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12687	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flying orca

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12688	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12689	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Plasma actuators in AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12690	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Plasma actuators in AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12691	From: Rod Read	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flying orca

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12692	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flying orca

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12693	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Kite Looping Revolution (heh pun)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12694	From: Christian Harrell	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flying orca

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12695	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: CN102852715 Generating kite control method

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12696	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Revolving Reel

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12697	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: MILLER BERNHARD and his AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12698	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Water-Wave Kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12699	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: Water-Wave Kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12648	From: Pierre BENHAIEM	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

So AWES forum is useful.

PierreB

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12649	From: Rod Read	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: mechanised pumping automation sketch

Apologies for not explaining it more clearly and thank you for pointing that out.
it's relying on 2 free wheeling hubs when the whole shaft goes up or down the cam can only rotate one way.

There was an obvious problem with it. if there is only enough wind to lift the shaft halfway up and then it went half way down again.. the cam is at minimum kite pull, and at the bottom.

The need to be some feed back to the tension setting from the strength of the wind for this system to work.

Roderick Read
15a Aiginish
Isle of Lewis
HS2 0PB
kitepowercoop.org

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12650	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: A new candidate for minimum viable AWES

A new candidate for minimum viable AWES: a rotary lift airborne wind energy system. A technical paper is published.

Leo GoldsteinSenior Engineer

http://www.awelabs.com/rotary-lift-awes2/

Then

http://www.awelabs.com/wp-content/uploads/Rotary-Lift-AWES.pdf

=========================

Discussion of the paper is open:

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12651	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: A new candidate for minimum viable AWES

"no tether drag"

???

That would be neat.

I see tether drag, though.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12652	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Endless Belt AWES by Leonid Goldstein

Another of same title, so be careful to distinguish the publications.

This one: http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/WO2013151678

It will be interesting study to find detail novelty in the claims, as basic endless loop drive of groundgen as basic method had already been in public domain for many decades.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12653	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: (WO2014028201) AIRBORNE CONCENTRATED SOLAR PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEM

(WO2014028201) AIRBORNE CONCENTRATED SOLAR PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEM

by Leo Goldstein

Discussion open.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12654	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Endless Belt AWES by Leonid Goldstein

Mouton was not seen discussed in the introductory space of the patent.

US4166596 for Mouton's early endless loop to groundgen from upper bladed turbines on kite system.

~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12655	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Endless Belt AWES by Leonid Goldstein

One of the applications mentioned by examiner was a Korean application for patent that uses endless loop transmission to ground generator.

Korean application reference:

KR100956269 (B1) - POWER GENERATING DEVICE USING KIT [sic, KITE]

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12656	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Lights, mirror, conductor from ground to wing, night search lights

Lights, mirror, conductor from ground to wing, night search lights, veering by attachable rudder in desired placement, item receptacle to move things to desired new places, hold aerial or antenna, guiding vanes, hood giving airfoil apparent thickness (precursor to single-surface Barish?, though wing is sticked), communications.

Elias Bergher

Filed: Jan. 20, 1919

US1326434

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12657	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Sawing

This topic thread is dedicated to using kite systems for sawing.

==============================================

Start:

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12658	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Sawing

Diamond wire saw.

Source:

http://www.wiresawchina.com/index.html

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12659	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Sawing

Drive by kite power directly? The indirect way is easy: form kitricity or compressed air by kite power, etc. But the direct mechanical linkage forms a wide adventure:

Pic source: http://www.wiresawchina.com/Diamond-WireSaw-Products-Detail-100.html

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12660	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Sawing

Clarification:

1. Already there are centuries of using sawing by glassed lines in kite fighting for ceremony, recreation, and sport. Such practice has some huge downsides: deaths by the sawing of necks, etc. Awful death toll each year in India is announced on the Internet. Such incidents are very sad for the injured people. And such has moved some municipalities to ban kite flying altogether, even the non-sawing type.

2. Tethers can cut through hands. Sawing of flesh and bone has occurred too often when planning and gloves, etc. failed to be in the scene.

~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12661	From: Joe Faust	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Fwd: Drachen Foundation Newsletter: April 2014


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12662	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Preface & Introduction: Modular Foil Vane and Kite Energy

Preface & Introduction: Modular Foil Vane and Kite Energy

http://cleventine.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/

on April 22, 2014 at 4:43 am

Christian Cleventine ???

? Orbital Kite Engine ???

? OKE P.O.C. V3 ??? "pat. pending" ??? [ ]

Video on page bottom of linked article may be studied.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12664	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Preface & Introduction: Modular Foil Vane and Kite Energy

Related video, but 20 min with sailing application focus.

http://vimeo.com/88957148

MFVs Orbital Kite Engine (Sail-Craft Application

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12665	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Preface & Introduction: Modular Foil Vane and Kite Energy

Prefers: C. Cleventine

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12666	From: dougselsam	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Sawing

I remember thinking many years ago, that kites might explain the pinnacle of the stone age: the world's largest rock-piles, in a square footprint. "Why, we couldn't build them today!" (?) (modern people are far too lazy?) I figured maybe they used kites to lift the rocks. (Don't get under it!)

Being "inexplicably" aligned with North South East West? Well obviously, as I'm sure everyone has heard, THAT can only be explained by space aliens...

I guess you could cut down trees using yesterday's clothesline-from-a-propeller-on-a-kite, then use a big kite like that budweiser parafoil that caught the guy's ankle and then dropped him 100 feet (ouch!), to lift the trees from the forest.

In fact you could just replace all construction cranes with kites, but then again, as we've heard, future cities will have kite-supported networks above, where people will live, work, and shop among the polka-dotted mushrooms, so maybe they will stop building regular buildings and the cities will just be all kites! Hope there isn't a calm day - I'd hate have a giant spotted mushroom land on my head!

Meanwhile, has anyone thought of using kites to tie your shoes? Maybe that giant Budweiser parafoil... :)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12667	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Kitricity to power electrical machines

Kitricity will be powering electrical machines, tiny to huge.

Even DougS' knot-tying machines.

If the machine needs electricity, then kitricity will serve.

~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12668	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

Are you asking if the forum helps to find financial support? Because that's my question.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12669	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

Welcome C. Cleventine !

The forum has proven to be a place where some researchers have networked whereupon some funds have funneled to advance prototypes and experiments. Also, the forum has been a place of exposing projects and needs; some angel funds have followed such exposure.

Differently, sharing ideas, tips, experimental results, etc. may tend to save duplication and unsafe practices. All have been encouraged to describe safety-critical matters. Some supply information has been helpful. Collaboration tends to bring some efficiency in some research programs.

Many in the forum community are investing time and funds in ways that are kept hidden from open view. But the thrust to put on the table the options and opportunities might tend to have investments be more effective.

Needs described will have a chance at being met. Hidden needs won't have the same chances.

The Vimeo videos regularly stall yet on my computer paths more than YouTube videos. I do not know the industry status on this matter. As yet, I did not get through the two videos on the MFV and OKE. But your energy seems to place you in the right forum, C.Cleventine Welcome.

~JoeF

---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <christianharrell@gmail.com

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12670	From: Pierre BENHAIEM	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

Some prototypes are realized beside the forum. The question was:does ideas on the forum go towards realization of prototypes (yes for JoeF)?
www.windoperationsworldwide.eu/ provides support for companies or organizations.

PierreB

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12671	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: TAKASAKI, Toshiyuki

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12673	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: TAKASAKI, Toshiyuki

What is this??

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12674	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: TAKAOKA on POWER GENERATION APPARATUS, circa 2003, Jan. 28.

POWER GENERATION APPARATUS

Page bookmark

JP2004232461 (A) - POWER GENERATION APPARATUS

Inventor(s):

TAKAOKA MASATO +

Applicant(s):

TAKAOKA MASATO +

Classification:

- international:	F03D11/00; F03D5/06; F03D7/04; F03D9/00; (IPC1-7): F03D11/00; F03D5/06; F03D7/04; F03D9/00
- cooperative:	Y02E10/70; Y02E10/722; Y02E10/723; Y02E10/725

Application number:

JP20030018149 20030128

Priority number(s):

JP20030018149 20030128

========================================

[[Seems to predate the Twind play.]]

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12675	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: TAKASAKI, Toshiyuki

C Cleventine,

In the online view of messages, if a message is part of a topic thread, there will be a few way to reach and read the prior involved posted messages of the topic thread. In the "Coversation" view, upon reading a message, look near the bottom of the post for a link to ...like "Show all 3 messages in this topic" ...

Or in the Topic View, if chosen, there will be a clickable way to see the messages in a topic. There is also a button to "expand" messages in a topic, so that the full messages of the run are all displayed in one page; scroll to each message in that topic.

"Show message history" is a link in a message that has several messages in its thread.

We aim to post without keeping long tails of former messages of a thread. There are ways to truncate a message for reply. It can be fun to explore the rich editing and the turning off the rich editing and turning it back on ... to get a clean composition field for fresh comment or reply without the long prior tails. But keep prior comment that is fertile to a reply effort.

The images in question come from the patent of that topic thread. Fun to explore the patent in full by tracing the link at the top of the subject topic thread. Many full size images are involved in that patent.

~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12676	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: MIYASHITA on an AWES arrangement

This seems to be a 1991 twin groundgen arrangement.

This could drive wire saws besides electric generators.

JPH04237877 (A) - WIND POWER GENERATING SET USING LIFTING BODY

First page clipping of JPH04237877 (A)

Some tracing of this patent will be in our folder:

http://www.energykitesystems.net/KitePatents/Japan/JPH04237877/index.html

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12677	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Google: besides Makani Power: ...UAV:: Raburn-led Titan Aerospace

Google enters UAV market by acquiring Raburn-led Titan Aerospace

[??]

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12678	From: Rod Read	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: localised power uses at altitude, kite targets and hydrogen gen

We've discussed using a kitesat (KPower) arrangement for communications.

I believe there will be many more uses for localised power use at altitude.

Starting with toys... my pet topic... Why not tie a string bag under a kite and use it for target practice? It's a great game, I've taught my kids to hunt kites with bow and arrow. The power could be used for scoring detection and score display or signalling.

Arrows, golf, football, rugby, frisbee, javelin?... are all great targetting games which could be adapted with a fun new element... But what about military application.

The army currently shoot drones out of the sky from an Island ~70 miles south of here... pricey! Would kites make good marksman training devices?

Could a kite target bag redirect your ball to return it down a hollow tube run up the tether? That way a hit gets you a returned ball yippee!

My pal Dave Mill (Diesel assist Technologies) makes hydrogen generation cells with a ~20yr service life.... They're small and light and run off your 12v. There's a regulator to inject a small amount into combustion gas mix...

A trickle of hydrogen could be used aloft to maintain balloon characteristics.

A 12v supply aloft could be used to steer said balloon too. Potentially very handy should you wish to lift an otherwise awkward non lifting AWES.

CC3.0 NC BY SA

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878

http://kitepowercoop.org

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12679	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

Maximizes wind energy instead of sitting in one spot waiting like a wind turbine. Small cheap and affordable, they could easily be automated. I see fields of these on the sea. Power on the sea is important, is often hard to find a nice "legal" area on land. http://vimeo.com/m/92683415

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12680	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Actual, (not too complicated) looping machine

“MFVs are able to modulate the frequency, shape and rotation of the foil, reel in and out the kite, all while never twisting line; this allows them to exploit energy from the deepest regions of the wind window enabling them to whip kite-loops endlessly; granted they can be controlled.” Personally I'd like to see one of these in a buggy application. http://vimeo.com/m/92683415

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12681	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

C. Cleventine,

Is the MFV the ground-level or sea-level resistive unit or kite-control station of a kite system? The name teases me to think "foil vane" and to then envision wing? Or do you apply the name MFV to the combination arrangement of resistive kite control station (perhaps floating or anchored further) along with the tether set and wing set (thus the integral kite system) ? Thanks for clarifying the names and focus.

~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12682	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

Ok the MFV is the arrangement of parts. It is the chassis of the system like the body of a car, the OKE is much like the engine or propeller (this is the part that rotates the foil. I plan to do something similar to this in the future. http://www.kennislink.nl/publicaties/per-vlieger-over-de-atlantische-oceaan

And

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXpPyWx7JoQ&app=desktop

I need to devise the turbine/generator mechanism for the paravane.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12683	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: localised power uses at altitude, kite targets and hydrogen gen

Development file on topic:

http://www.energykitesystems.net/CoopIP/LocalisedPowerUsesAtAltitude.html

==========

Furthering:

== Target kite by Paul Garber
== Target kite by Francis M. Rogallo
== Candy dropping
== Aloft advertising
== Weather bureau use of of aloft kite energy
== Surveillance use of aloft kite energy
== Aloft kite hut use of aloft kite energy
== Kited aerotecture use of kitricity and kite energy
== KAP and its use of aloft local kitetricity and kite mechanical energy
== Message sending and handling
== Projection of movies aloft. Project onto kite-system surfaces
== Lighting the ground from aloft-held and aloft-powered lighting systems
== Aloft charging of cell phones and computers used for kite control systems, office devices, etc.
== ... [much more. Send in your local aloft kite energy applications for the world to know]

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12684	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Does the forum help to realize some prototypes?

It is very challenging to trace many project beginning that have been rising up in Japan, China, Germany, Russia, Netherlands, Africa, USA, etc. The text that finds its way into patents seem to reflect the run of the forum text. Such spawning is invited and welcome with or without clear reference. The Internet is letting date stamping assist historical tracing of ideas that lead to projects and prototyping. If a group goes stealth, then that is fine also; many will one day find reasons to announce their progress.
There are enough applications for energy kite systems to keep millions of people involved.
~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12685	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

Joe,

You mention focus in regard to the MFV, it is essentially a control mechanism, something to replace the kitebar with if you want an actual kite vehicle on the water. This design can be incorporated into a propitiatory kite sail craft. With an enclosed cabin.

While dragging a paravane it can collect electricity, while being used as a keel.

It commands incredible power as it loops ceaselessly.

It breaks down into small package

I built this machine with the entire industry in mind.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12686	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Flying orca

Perhaps if blimps were shaped like orca they would be even more manageable, A simple arrangement of plasma actuators would make it possible to manipulate the whole body of a semi rigid ballon

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12687	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flying orca

Come to think of it, it would revolutionize boyancy control.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12688	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Actual Kite Sailcraft/generator

"This design can be incorporated into a primarily kite sail craft."

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12689	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Plasma actuators in AWES

[...at the lead of mention by C. Cleventine, this topic thread could trace plasma actuators in kite systems]

Start:

1. C. Cleventine suggested as much that blimps [we extend to LTA kytoons] might use plasma actuators for some control.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_actuator

3. ...

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12690	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Plasma actuators in AWES

Exactly! They would work well for a

ballon rotor project.. If you see the videos, they work better for depower than lift on foils ( maybe they could be reversed? Put on the underside to provide more fluid density?) , you also need high voltage... Tricky stuff when you're dealing with long lines .. Perhaps it would work best as an offshore application, I'm thinking 200m strings, target balloons (maybe whale shaped) (no, then Japan would attack them) with turbines running through, lots of buoyancy control, and if tethered to a paravane, transportable. Possibly up wind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12691	From: Rod Read	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flying orca

As long as your blimp isn't filled with Hydrogen and you can spare 28Kv and enough power aloft..... There's going to be a long list of reasons why this isn't done yet.

A half a NASA power wing each side ... and a model yacht control servo to balance the pull from near the bridle... That would make a cool controllable blimp... keep it aloft with a kitesat type gen powering the servo and an H2 generator,... to keep pressure over a bottom gas drain valve pressure threshold... (gets rid of heavier gas containments)

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12692	From: Cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flying orca

Yep, lots of design innovations would be required first.. Batterries, hi voltage...

Very interesting tech, although dated.. Have you seen ionocraft? Or heard about spiders that use electro hydrodynamic lift to climb into the atmosphere?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12693	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Kite Looping Revolution (heh pun)

YouTube option

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vpnbTz5TAg&feature=youtu.be

Looking for some real criticism.

Does Peter Lynn or Dave Santos use this site? TU Delft

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12694	From: Christian Harrell	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flying orca

http://www.seaglider.fr/Seaglider/Aerosail.html

Oh the french.. always doing cool stuff...

You can imagine a low altitude Kitesat/kytoon...

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12695	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: CN102852715 Generating kite control method

CN102852715 (A) - Generating kite control method LI QINGXING

Priority date: June 28, 2011.

Tags: CN 102852715 CN102852715

Generating Kite Control Method

Three pages of drawings.

[ ] Seeking tech-English translation

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12696	From: c.cleventine	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Revolving Reel

http://youtu.be/esx0QpxeDw4

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12697	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: MILLER BERNHARD and his AWES

http://www.energykitesystems.net/KitePatents/Germany/DE102008047261.html

will be dedicated to this patent application.

Figure 2

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12698	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Water-Wave Kites

This topic thread invites exploration of water-wave kites. The paravane systems kite their wings in the region of water waves. The wings may be of many different shapes and sizes. Power take-off (PTO) may be situated at various places (resistive realm, tether realm, or wing realm). Perhaps distinguish from current paravane systems by focus on the wing-local flow that occurs because of the wave action (surface and under-surface waves).

Start:

CN102865183A Filed: May 8, 2012 China patent application.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy	Message: 12699	From: joe_f_90032	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: Water-Wave Kites

http://www.energykitesystems.net/WaterWaveKites/index.html will be a folder's index for tracing water-wave ideas, patents, projects, sites, challenges, tips, prototypes, ...

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