Also, it looks like two "M"s are used in the acronym. 

MMRRC

Print document of 2010

Mobile & Marine Robotics Research Centre 

Quality validation date:2010-11-17

Multi-use offshore platforms, remotely operated vehicles and payload technologies for subsea operations 

One page by Joseph Coleman

Parafoil Flight Controller for Airborne Wind Energy Generation System 

Contact notes on the bottom of the page: 

Daniel Toal 

Hammad Ahmad

University of Limerick

[For some reason DaveS, a extraneous prefix "http;//" is being written from your link postings in the last two days. Reader: Copy just one leading such prefix and then paste to browser address line to get URL intended.]

Repeat: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/naval-service-in-historic-kite-sail-tests-256600.html

Another news spot today: 

Dave S.

Like I keep telling you, Makani, and all the rest:

You're back a few thousand years in the history of wind energy.

3000 years ago they figured out that the circular path for working surfaces got the job done. 

Can you imagine how stupid people like me think the idiots at Makani must be, when we can explain things like a circular path in our sleep, while they run figure-8's.  Why?  because they started as kite experts!  That is kite technology's contribution to AWE: figure-8 paths of cloth surfaces - wrong wrong wrong.   Essential knowledge according to you, so why is the figure-8 of kiting being discarded by the morons only just now getting up to speed as of 3000 years ago?   Why do they call this something "new"?  I have been telling everyone from day 1, use circular paths, but does anyone listen to me?  By 2000 years ago, most wind turbines were "crosswind", a term bandied about regularly by wind energy newbies like you as though it is a new idea.  Yeah, "new", like the Roman Empire is "new".

It's pathetic to see people talking like this while calling themselves "scientists", or imagining they are "technologists".

Also pathetic to see kite-flyers applying the one other thing they can grasp about their kite-flying fun: "Look!  It pulls on the strinbg!  Wheee!"  So they imagine string-pulling as the way to generate electricity, complete with a useless reel-in cycle that USES power, and while letting their working surfaces LOSE power during the entire power stroke by traveling downwind!  Crazy stuff,at least as currently practiced.  (OK I have a few ideas but I will remain mum). 

So the day after I tell you once again to balance your single blade with at least one other to form a rotor, you now claim THAT is your new idea.  Wait don't tell me, you had to SEE that a single blade was unbalanced.

Yes, balance that rotating blade.  Duh.  A single rotating blade needs a partner to dance with.  Like I've been telling you for years now.  People figured it out 3000 years ago - you are just now starting to "get it".

Next, people like me have been warning that unsupported cloth working surfaces, and 100% solidity working surfaces, were found lacking and discarded 1000 years ago.  No matter, Geniuses like you and those at Makani STILL had to figure it out for themselves.  So as Makani "pioneered" these two thousand-year-old developments of using hard surfaces to sweep a circular path across the wind, people like you STILL can't even grasp it, while those with experience in wind energy reel from the ignorance of the Makani's, and whereas your much deeper level of ignorance is beyond astounding, yet, ironically, typical.  Not that you are more ignorant than most, just that you are the loudest.

Here's where you are headed:  One rotor will spin a generator below.  If you get it to work, there will be no reason to NOT add more levels.  You're heading toward a SuperTurbine(R) just as all the rest of the teams are, whether they know it or not.  Laddermill was another step toward SuperTurbine(R), which I saw immediately as a teenager as soon as I had finished drawing what was later named "laddermill".  I guess trained "scientists" and Astronuats are a little slower to realize things than a regular kid...

Meanwhile, like I keep saying and apparently nobody cares, is, if any team wanted to get any kind of working system up and running, I can think of AT LEAST TEN configurations that would be easy to build and run and work better than ANYTHING that ANY of the "teams"are even contemplating, let alone trying.

So here are all the features that will combine to make any effort into a SuperTurbine(R).

1) Circular paths for working surfaces

2) hardened working surfaces ( not strictly necessary but it works better and lasts longer)

3) crosswind paths for working surfaces

4) spin a generator below

5) add more levels once one level is working well

(lather, rinse, repeat)

As you have publicly opposed all of these developments, it is interesting to see you running what is slowly becoming a SuperTurbine(R).

All roads lead to SuperTurbine(R)

Resistance is futile.  Earthling...

:)

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/AirborneWindEnergy/conversations/messages/9952

DougS, 

        Take a wing at the end of a line; anchor the line to something; put the wing in the air stream. If the wing is configure well, one may get the common kiting action. Notice that the line become approximately the radius of a circle or sphere; notice that movements of wing during gusts, imbalances, etc. cause the radius line to move; the wing moves along circular paths, sometimes this way, sometimes that way. The simple kite system is a turbine that has its radial part support the wing part as the wing part traces arcs of circles crosswinding, except in the nearly impossible situation where the wing is absolutely stuck at one point (almost never occurs, as winds are not perfectly steady). Hence, the simple kite is already a turbine that utilizes rotation and already converts the wind's energy to other forms of energy. Kites have been doing such rotation in circular paths for all known past history and beyond; This is all the same for nature's kites, like leaves caught in spider webs and even long-stemmed leaves themselves. Moving on circular paths is what occurs in kiting.   The AWES Museum has an open room dedicated to answers to "What is a kite?"

In that room, one might see that a kite is an energy converter of sorts at a first level. Era K3 puts kite systems to work in thousands of ways; one way is to have kite systems feed electricity to the community; the systems will do so by doing their rotations along approximately circular paths; such is fundamental to our AWE field. 

    Lift, 

      ~ JoeF

Recall Rod's Kite Cone at this time, perhaps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXk1JT7ZnYY&feature=youtu.be

News spot and video last May, 2013: 

Helium Provides New Hope for Wind Power Published Fri, May 31st, 2013 Wall Street Daily Research http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/author/wall-street-daily-research/

Seeking updates beyond May ...

Timothy Michael Gilchrist

Patent application filed: Jul 24, 1981

Improvements in wind powered electric generators

EP 0045202 A1

See also his other wind patents. 

It will become interesting to well describe the "state of the art" of airborne wind energy at the year 1981  ( or at any year !). Such history clarity is a daunting task. 

~ JoeF

Gyrokite train examples are invited. 

Types: 

== Flygen gyrokite trains transmitting aloft-made electricity

== Flygen gyrokite trains transmitting aloft-made driving-of-loop to drive ground-based electric generator. 

== Yo-yo gyrokite trains driving ground-stationed electric generator or fluid pump

== Gyrokite train dedicated to surveillance. 

== Gyrokite train dedicated to torque-shaft drive of ground-based electric generator, but with pilot-lifter kite system giving dominant lift.

== Gyrokite train dedicated to torque-shaft drive of ground-based electric generator, but with pilot-kytoon kite system giving dominant lift. Two types: LTA kytoon pilot lifter; and HTA kytoon pilot lifter. 

== Gyrokite train dedicated to torque-shaft drive of ground-based electric generator, but with no specific pilot lifter. 

== Gyrokite train dedicated to making noise. 

== Gyrokite train dedicated to giving night light display for entertainment or signaling or illuminating areas

== Gyrokite train arch demonstration

?? or other gyrokite train AWES or demonstrations

Floating Turbines Coming to Alaska  (one-minute video)

DougS, on detail, "gyrocopter" is not a kite, unless it is a powered kite system that involves a powered pod towing a gyrokited wing or wing set.    You are invited to discern what is a kite and what is not a kite. From your text, it seems like you are missing that when kite energy is said you forget that what is included is any kind of kite is in the field game; you seem to keep trying to rip out such umbrella.  David Lang and Grant Calverley are carrying out strong diligence for their kite-energy system that feature gyrokites; there has been strong support of their research and development from many corners of AWE.  There is no "climate change" in the kite world here, as solid wings, rotating wings, autorotating wings, cloth wings, film wings, inflated wings, LTA wings, HTA wings, etc. are ever immediate options for the kite engineer facing task works. There is a waiting for fair certified comparison testing among systems; there is yet no comparison winner for utility-scale electric generation; what will prevail is a future thing not known now. 

Kites include gyrokites. 

Kites will prevail in kite energy systems, not horses or Ford motor cars or "gyrocopters."  However, gyrokites may well have a strong play in AWES. Maybe even gyrokite arches. 

DaveS had an early kite motor that involved a gyrokite; it made electricity and sent the electricity to the ground; he has had strong continuous support for gyrokites in kite energy.  As for me, I have had some 50 years of support for gyrokites in kite energy matters.   

Your own pilot-HTA-kite lifter kite gyrokite-train groundgen torque-shaft demonstration is part of the overall picture which we have featured for years now:  You are free to change the configuration of the lifter into kite coteries, kite gangs, kite trains, kite trees, kite kytoons, ...(with wings solid or inflated or sheeted; LTA or HTA). For some niche purpose, a specification would be given and possible be tested against some other specification.    One of the DaveS gyrokite demonstrations that made electricity aloft had a shaft about as long as the rotating blade; that rotating shaft drove the aloft generator; multiple blades could have been used, if wanted.    Those skilled in the arts have had options of how to make involved wings; those options are ever open for use in desired system; the art is not stuck on cloth, single surface, sticked, inflated, ram-air-inflated, film, skinned foam, compound hybrid constructions. Take your pick for a scaled-niche purpose. Test it. Describe the system. If the system fills a need, perhaps sell the system to someone. 

Photo: Credits: U.S. Windlabs, Doug Selsam.    Superturbine® 

It is to be carefully noted that both positive gyrokiting and negative gyrokiting will have play in AWE As well as attempts (never absolutely achieved but instanteously) direct-neutral-lift "gyrokiting" HAWT from lifting systems or towers or high mounts. DaveS' lifted laundry flygen gyrokite was doing mostly negative gyrokiting slightly as the masses of the blades, shaft, generator, and anti-torque brace tended to cause the working blade flying disk to have a slight negative global lift during generation.     The photo just shown of your demo in the above post has positive gyrokiting at the spinning blades.

~ JoeF

Hi - Could I request to the folks running this exellent group to provide links on the 'group links' page to all the relevant web sites for information on AWE?

I hope this is not an imposition on you all, it would be enormously helpful!

many thanks

Mark

Done: 

0-AWE relative links

is a folder at the top of the other folders and links. 

Through the link in that first folder one may reach

a very large portion of AWE world. 

Others may place specific links in that or other folders. 

If you find something missing, put it there. 

Right now over several thousand related sites may be reached. 

Lift, 

~ JoeF