Nah,  I met him. He seemed nice. :)
Haven't seen them both together though.
But I believe there's a definite difference between the kite flying skills of the person I met and whoever it is posts under the mysterious monicker DaveS (made up name for sure)

Roderick Read
15a Aiginish
Isle of Lewis
HS2 0PB
kitepowercoop.org

The AWES Museum freshly made available some other rooms that were not announced priorly on its front page, but here post for access and news notice: 

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• The museum room dedicated to the "lines" of AWES is KiteLines.  As AWES have three major sets of essential parts, the line set or tether set being one, a dedicated museum room has been growing. Interested persons are welcome to visit and advance the collection of studies about kite-system lines.
   
• An increasingly visited room of the museum is that which is dedicated to knowing the types of kite-systems known which become possible players in AWES.  The public is invited to describe new found kite types and discuss them. Access to the room is free.   KiteTypes.
   
• A room of the museum dedicated to flip wings keeps drawing attention. There are yet many things to be added to this collection. And the public may help curate the collected items. Access is free.  FlipWings
   
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Updates will be posted at the AWES Museum front page

Visits to the open rooms may be made at one's convenience. 

Visits to the brick-and-mortar rooms are by appointment only. 

Participatory construction and furtherance of the museum's mission may be achieved with even small sendings of items related to airborne wind energy/kite-energy systems. 

It is interesting to note the ideological part in AWE. In one side "progressivism" and spirit of "sharing" and also "tabula rasa" associated in little expensive soft materials and new (or very old) ways of conversion. In another side "conservatism" and spirit of "individual" and also historic inheritance associated in rigid blades. Another interesting thing is the common reject (but for various reasons) for utility-scale of the actually most prominent forms of "crosswind" systems from people so different as DougS, DaveS (perhaps excepted for some configurations with passive control), Barnard Mike, RodR, me. So two families remain to explore: rotation  (for Doug,me, Rod,maybe others), and oscillating with short strokes (for DaveS, Rod, maybe others). It is a progress by elimination.

PierreB 

DaveS,

"The monkey-at-a-typewriter smear is your unfair misconception of what real test engineering is."

Mixture! I did not speak about monkey or about my conception of test before now, for stronger reason of any link between monkey and test.

""Test, test, test, etc."" It depends on what we want to test, and for what target. But I admit it is better to test shemes having no chance to go towards real production than testing nothing. It is yet better to describe a sheme with its conversion system before testing it.

"There was a properly nuanced recognition by Dr. Mark Moore, NASA LaRC, that our AWE community is in fact rapidly creating solutions like a genetic algorithm..." For what I understood a genetic algorithm is not a solution for AWE but here allows to find AWE solutions. Mike Barnard wrote about existing AWES and their lack of potential due to numerous challenges, and Dr. Mark Moore wrote about the possibility to create solutions and also mentions his own system: there is no contradiction, only a difference of perspective. By writing "Mike Barnard for his incredibly ignorant dismissals of this natural dynamic." you admit implicitly that Mike Barnard is right for his analysis of existing AWE.

PierreB

DaveS,

In a sense it is a satisfaction MikeB critics concepts (crosswind systems, aerostats) you, Doug, Rod or me do not precognize as utility-scale; for me these concepts have inherent problems. But MikeB critics also SWP of which concept looks good but needing engineering to make a simple (no cyclic pitch even at utility-scale) and lighter version. Mothra-Arch being built, now it is the time to implement the conversion system, knowing Arch is adapted in prevailing winds due to the two anchors. For the two anchored conversion systems I propose the following: Arch vertically rises during power phase reel-out on short time, and vertically comes down during recovering phase reel-in by using ground gravity . This configuration allows the Arch keeping the same position and orientation. You can describe another conversion system but I think the time is limited. In the same time I will study some configurations of helicopter-like, and if the description agrees,collectively bringing up corrections then building a small device and testing it. 

PierreB                    

http://www.seaglider.fr/Seaglider/Bienvenue.html

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Tags: 

Seaglider, Seaglider for dirigibles, paravane, FFAWE, mixed-media flight, Stephane Rousson, Stéphane Rousson, Gerard Feldzer, Gérard Feldzer , Nicolas Hulot, Didier Costes, Wayne German Award, kite system with stark kited resistive element, kitesurf hydrofoil, free-flight AWE, energy converted to effect lift and transport with high freedom of pointing, air-sailing, l'Aérosail, Francis Demange, Aéroceanaute, Aeroceanaute, 

Adding some tags: 

Hapa, Chien de mer, Seadog, Seaglider, Luc Armant, J.H. Hagedoorn http://fr.scribd.com/doc/66251685/Hagedoorn-Inventing-the-Hapa

• Luc Armant
  Self-Flying Hapa (Aile d'Eau -video).      See core document.       
  He is strongly accenting OZONE.
   

• Stéphane Rousson
  Human Hapa (used modified Chien de Mer in Seaglider; Chien de Mer was created by Didier Costes).     First flight Seaglider.
  What he does with a kite and a hydrofoil may be a first, but it can greatly be improved in many ways.  

AWES Museum has an online room just for systems and devices that hold tethers: KiteReels The international science and engineering community as well as technicians, crafts persons, sports persons, and hobbyists, are invited to advance effective systems for handling AWES tether systems. Flying dome and mesh AWES bring strong challenges to the kite-energy world, including the handling of lines.

Tags: 

Kite reels, line-storage devices, winches, drums, line-holding bags, detensioners, winding guides, line-holding loops, harnesses assisting line winding, winders, reeling, ..

DaveS,

"...in spotting Makani failure modes, a process which you complained about..." Not about technical process, about personal attacks. As usually you systematically deform the advices of persons having another opinion as yours. You lack of intellectual honesty to qualify someone as ethic or no. 

PierreB 

The smart-headed kite-dropped spear that has controllable rear feathers will perhaps outdo the atlatl. 

Some trials and a night's waking to sparks seems to have brought some progress on joining the two recent items of "aft-of-wing-to-main-tether" (AoWtMT) structure and the challenges and opportunities of "negative kiting." There is definitely a non-empty interface that will be receiving some exploratory tests. The ring of what might become a slogan filled my breath on the matter this morning: 

"Positive kiting helped by negative kiting; and negative kiting helped by positive kiting!" http://www.energykitesystems.net/Structures/AftToTether/index.html

Yesterday at KiteLab Los Angeles, a teaching trial gave stark downing via use of positive kiting. 

Then a trial of negative kiting to support positive kiting was accomplished by use of the AoWtMT structure. Very low mass was used. And scribbles on the bathroom mirror from 4 a.m. waking will be soon translated to some further explorations for even more super-low-mass AoWtMT-held negative kiting to support positive kiting.    Aim in part is to bring ways and means to holding HAWT as well as negative gyrokites that generate loop driving ro direct electrity, as well as other purposes.       

    Soon, 

      ~ JoeF

The AoWtMT and the negative kiting and the non-empty intersection of the two realms:  CC BY NC SA via kPower, subsidiary: KiteLab, Los Angeles.

The weight of the tethered wing also generates stresses during crosswind operations. So now there are two directions (aerostats and turbine on static kite being good but not enough): rotation (with some very recent bad or good variant of helicopter-mode I shall tell; note the analysis of http://wheelwind.com is not still sufficient to build it) or oscillation.

DaveS: please can you provide the modus operanti of Arch (both oscillation and airborned system), at least when you will provide a complete description to Dr.Roland Schmehl for a detailed study; and also please build it with the generators.I call it "Jupiter's shiver" (with a little of mockery, but not completely). Then post against DougS. 

DougS: please build your latticework Super Turbine(R) (both rotation and ground-airborned system) I call "Leaning Tower of Pisa" (without mockery or almost). Then post against DaveS.

PierreB

Link without the extra prefix: 

http://www.kitetrade.org/page.asp?id=1