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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10612 From: Gabor Dobos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: Multi Autogyro Rotors On One Line

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10613 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AWECS] Re: Multi Autogyro Rotors On One Line

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10614 From: dave santos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Correction: The "distant magical future" of AWE began ages ago.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10615 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: Multi Autogyro Rotors On One Line

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10616 From: dave santos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AWECS] Re: Multi Autogyro Rotors On One Line

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10617 From: dave santos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Crosswind KitePlane Flying by an Aeromodeler

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10618 From: dave santos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Kite "Footwork" and AWES Control

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10619 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: Crosswind KitePlane Flying by an Aeromodeler

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10620 From: Robert Copcutt Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Sintrix for kites?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10621 From: Rod Read Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Sintrix for kites?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10622 From: Robert Copcutt Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Sintrix for kites?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10623 From: Rod Read Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: DIY space exploration

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10624 From: Rod Read Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: DIY space exploration

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10625 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Sintrix for kites?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10626 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: WeatherField

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10627 From: Rod Read Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: crosswind laddermill arch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10628 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: Re: crosswind laddermill arch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10629 From: dave santos Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: Kite Anchoring Review and Update (Gabions)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10630 From: Rod Read Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Re: DIY space exploration

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10631 From: dave santos Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Living in the Sky (Suspension Syndrome and Aerotecture)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10632 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Re: Living in the Sky (Suspension Syndrome and Aerotecture)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10633 From: dave santos Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Hot Single-Skin (SS) Soft-Kites Enter Production

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10634 From: Rod Read Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Re: Kite Anchoring Review and Update (Gabions)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10635 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Re: Kite Anchoring Review and Update (Gabions)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10636 From: edoishi Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Mini Mono Mothra

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10637 From: roderickjosephread Date: 11/15/2013
Subject: Minesto deploying off Ireland

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10638 From: dave santos Date: 11/15/2013
Subject: Re: Kite Anchoring Review and Update (Gabions)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10639 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: RATS power illumination system

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10640 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/18/2013
Subject: Underwater energy kite systems with non-rigid wings

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10641 From: edoishi Date: 11/18/2013
Subject: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10642 From: Baptiste Labat Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10643 From: Rod Read Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10644 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: NEW JOB OPENING - AERODYNAMICS ENGINEER 24. October 2013

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10645 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: NEW JOB OPENING - CONTROL SYSTEM ENGINEER 24. October 2013

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10646 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Paravannes (or paravanes)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10647 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Re: Paravannes (or paravanes)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10648 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Re: Minesto deploying off Ireland

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10649 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Wallace W. Bowley

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10650 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: James G. P. Dehlsen

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10651 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Re: Reverse-Pumping Validation by University of Grenoble

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10652 From: dave santos Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10653 From: dave santos Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Control Line Input past a Swivel (BMX "Gyro" Detangler)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10654 From: edoishi Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10655 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: E-volo’s 18-rotor electric Volocopter makes maiden flight

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10656 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: RAeS

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10657 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10658 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10659 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Kite Visions in Gaming

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10660 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10661 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10612 From: Gabor Dobos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: Multi Autogyro Rotors On One Line
Gentlemen,

Is it a kite or not? I don't know.

But I know that the principle is known long ago, e.g.:

US 2003/006615 A1��
US 7183663 B2
US 7109598 B2��� Sep. 19, 2006

and the inventors, Roberts and Shepard (not P. J.� but D. H. Shepard) designate their device as� "windmill kite" . Assignee: Sky Wind Power Corp. ...


By the way, the inventors and their coworkers, among others Ken Caldeira, published a good summary of the "tethered rotorcraft, a variant of the gyroplane, where conventional rotors generate power and simultaneously produce sufficient lift to keep the system aloft" see:

"Harnessing High Altitude Wind Power
Bryan W. Roberts, David H. Shepard, Life Senior Member, IEEE, Ken Caldeira,
M. Elizabeth Cannon, David G. Eccles, Member, IEEE, Albert J. Grenier, and Jonathan F. Freidin"
Energy Conversion, IEEE Transactions on �(Volume:22 ,� Issue: 1 )

There are also tethered gliders, e.g.: US 2007/176432 A1 -- Hmm..... Is it a glider or a kite?

I tend to think, glider is a glider, autogiro is an autogiro, irrespectively of tethered or not. And a kite is a kite...� (What about an un-tethered kite?)

Gabor


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10613 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AWECS] Re: Multi Autogyro Rotors On One Line

For the embodiments that employ predominately the kiting principle: yes.

When blades are motor-driven or jet-driven with no kiting occurring: no. 


Consistent safety communications trumps scenting investors, politicians, or elitist separatism. 

Safety would keep all concerned parties informed that a kite system is at play where tether dynamics distinguish the involved system from free-flying rotorcraft that lift and drag also.  On the radio, the aircraft control tower is not just to say: "rotorcraft lifting device" but tell airmen that a hard-to-see tether of a kite system is in the airspace taking up its needed play space.  The safety issue is more important than informative consistency in patent text; but lawyers, designers, builders, and users would be well served if they did not have to ever struggle with the question, "Is this a kite or is it not a kite."  The FAA will see the "kite" in the play. 

===================================================================


"rotorcraft lifting device"  is also a "rotorcraft drag device." Either phrase tends to slight the elephant in the room that is a kite system..  The SkyMill rotorcraft kite system spectrum has some embodiments with an auxiliary option of powered blade hub or jet-powered blades; if the tether is severed at the wing for autorotation gliding or for enlisting onboard powered blades in order to have an untethered rotorcraft lifting device, then a different game starts.


K3 will best occur when the "K" is fully and well appreciated.   K was adequate to found aviation in the roots of Cayley, Lilienthal, Wright, and Hargrave.   That some powered airmen practiced some puffery accompanied by some loss of respect for "kite" should not rule K3 unfolding.  The kite sector of AWE is huge whereas the untethered RATs part of AWE is to stay honored.  The SkyMill patent predominately focuses on the kiting principle, but wrestles with its identity. 


Just how the future will unfold relative to K or hiding-K will be interesting. My guess is that investing will be stronger and steadier by investors who clearly understand and appreciate and honor the kite: wing sets that are coupled by a tether set (here allowing that buoys and anchors are specialized wings).  Hiding K will slow the conversation and perhaps cost awareness and management of safety-critical matters.




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10614 From: dave santos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Correction: The "distant magical future" of AWE began ages ago.
This note to correct common misinformation that AWE is somehow so exotic and difficult, that its flowering can only happen a long time from now (if ever).

The truth is that the flower has repeatedly bloomed, starting at least two thousand-plus years ago; that many historical accounts record a broad range of kite power applications across many cultures. The oldest narratives, of ancient Chinese armies using kites in so many different ways, presents a quite "magical" era. Polynesian kiters even insisted their wonderful feats were true-magic. In the early modern era, almost two centuries ago, Pocock clearly lived in this supposed "magical future" by his many kite larks (like levitating his family onto cliff-tops). His contemporary, Etzler, surely did not think powering the world with kites required technology far beyond his own. On this Forum, it has been shown that even electrical-generation by AWE could have been done solely by means available to the Age of Steam.

Nowadays we have amazing new tools and materials, and an AWE lifestyle is once again blossoming. We need not await carbon nanotubes, graphene, and embedded AI. Even natural fibers can suffice, by suitable mastery, but we have UHMWPE, the super-fiber of our time. Anyone reading this can choose to imitate the many recent successful AWE experiments, and personally experience the intense magic. One can now opt to live a kite-sport lifestyle, and travel the world with everything powered by kites. The fact that only a few adventurous folks are doing this does not negate the reality of it. To only see "magic" in eventual mass-market success is a most banal standard. Wubbo is right: We are free to choose the magical AWE path (rather than just wait).

Make no mistake, for the lucky few, the magical AWE future began ages ago, and we now live in a dawning Golden Age. If you cannot see this, go fly a kite.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10615 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: Multi Autogyro Rotors On One Line

In support of Gabor's references: 


http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/kitepatents/conversations/messages/799

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/kitepatents/conversations/messages/94

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/kitepatents/conversations/messages/799

and

http://www.aweconsortium.org/public/downloads/resources/roberts_et_al.pdf


Note: An object intended to operate as a glider may for some while be a kite for launching reasons. While the wing involved is the wing of a kite system, then such wing is a part of a kite system. Once the tether and resistive set is separated, then the wing involved becomes a glider. When the focus is on the ultimate intended use in gliding, common parlance will fuzzily not make such distinction. "I was in my glider during tow."   Instead of "I was in a wing of a kite that upon detaching from the tow will be my glider."  Airspace controllers want to know if kiting is at play, that is, there is a coupling of a wing via tether with a towing device. Other aircraft in the vicinity want to know the hardcore facts about a tether employment; it can be crucial whether there is just a glider occurring or a kite occurring. Big difference. "Glider under tow by a powered aircraft!" uses the fuzzy term "glider" in such scenario; without the "under tow" declaration, then severe damages may result.    Kites are not just its wing set parts, not just its tether-set parts, not just its resistive or reaction-set parts; a kite is an object that has wing set, tether set, and resistive or reaction set parts; a kite is most often placed in fluids where the kiting principle may play.   When that kiting play is specially designed for energy production and task fulfilling, then K3 flowers. 


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10616 From: dave santos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AWECS] Re: Multi Autogyro Rotors On One Line
JoeF,

Concern over the K-word is a classic Wayne German meme as well. Now that kite energy R&D has taken such firm root, it can't be killed by a supposed lack of mono-linguistic consensus. Those who freely use "kite" in AWE are generally advantaged over all the fringe terms- tethered-foil, AWT, AWECS, HAWP, HAWE, FEG, etc.. AWES is of course the top operational term, since the FAA has officially adopted this variant (balanced against confusion with standing aviation designations*). Kites are already long defined in FARS, and rotary kites clearly qualify.

Perhaps those who strategically avoid "kite" usage can open up new worlds for the kite, by sneaking the kite past the K-word-allergic firewalls. DaveL is certainly able to match his K-language to his audience, as a top kite-person (only kitegods sit on the Drachen Foundation board). During his long life, he has used the K-word far more than most.

My favorite take on the K-lexicon is to collect non-English "kite" variants, and trace them back to their roots; as a balance to shop-work and field-testing, and save the posting of such profanity for when Doug is following :)

daveS

* esp. Airport Surface Detection Equipment = AWE


On Friday, November 8, 2013 8:22 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com" <joefaust333@gmail.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10617 From: dave santos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Crosswind KitePlane Flying by an Aeromodeler

Hot crosswind performance flown by a fragile traditional balsa and paper airframe. A stock P-51 design was beefed up at the bridle hard-points, to spread the high kiteplane forces-


This is very unforgiving super-twitchy flying. Comparable performance with crash-resistance is possible with "foamie" construction of EPP and composite whisker rods,
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10618 From: dave santos Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Kite "Footwork" and AWES Control
Look closely at the video linked below for what control mastery of real kites by kitemasters entails. Its not just fast precise control-line input. Aggressive collective slacking and tensioning input is seen in the frantic footwork. The hotter the kite, the more extreme the responses required for "total" control. Hot AWES requires a comparable capability-

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10619 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Re: Crosswind KitePlane Flying by an Aeromodeler
  1. Crosswind Kite Flying #1      by David Loyd   Discuss: _______
  2. Crosswind Kite Flying, #2  by David Loyd, April 10, 2012      0:32
  3. Crosswind Kite Flying #3    0:25
  4. Crosswind Kite Flying #4     0:38
  5. Crosswind Kite Flying #5    0:34
  6. Crosswind Kite Flying #6    0:36
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10620 From: Robert Copcutt Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Sintrix for kites?
Would Sintrix be a good material for kite struts?

http://fly.hardyfishing.com/en-gb/hardy-sintrix/sintrix-technology.php?flink=953

Robert.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10621 From: Rod Read Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Sintrix for kites?

I bet the performance characteristics are second to none, being sold by Hardys.

I worked as a Ghillie on Grimersta salmon fishing estate ... Taking lords and landed gentry out in boats.


They will spend a fortune on getting just the right whip response to match their wrist ... and other such excuse driven nonsense for wasting money.


These sticks could make excellent stretched fabrics forms.

I am growing more keen on the idea of ganging multitudes of high spec kite kixel elements.


Top spec arch systems will use the best materials throughout.

Closely comparable performance will come cheaper.

A targeted market price point    lifespan    ROI   availability ... calculation will determine whether or not they are used for utility.


Grimersta, First place I ever flew a ram air kite ~'94-95 thanks to rich patrons

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10622 From: Robert Copcutt Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Sintrix for kites?
Yes, over £1000 for a fancy 9 foot stick is opulence. Could be time to
refresh some of those old connections to get some money for AWE.

Hardys is apparently loosing money despite the cost of their rods. The
basic sintrix concept does not sound to me like it needs to be very
expensive.

Robert.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10623 From: Rod Read Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: DIY space exploration
OK we aren't trying to go that far...
But there are many lessons to be learned from those who are...
http://www.diyspaceexploration.com/how-to-build-your-own-personal-satellite/

Encouragingly we can offer much more in terms of reliability for communications equipments / promotional materials .. whatever we sell our kites as..

There are definite lessons in terms of ITAR — International Traffic in Arms Regulations
and FCC or the International IARU for communications

How lengthy are the regulatory processes governing if kitellites are allowed to take photographs or broadcast / relay comms? Kite Aerial Photography exists ... are we entering a grey area?

How much will you charge per Mega Byte x hour x kilometer of uptime?

Can a multi anchor spread tethering system can hold an antenna platform steady enough for point to point comms without active tracking even if the platform is only lifted by a single kite? yes depending on the antenna focus vs platform movement ratio. Can you persuade the FCC? not without a pile of paper.

maybe then we can learn from http://www.genso.org/

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10624 From: Rod Read Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: DIY space exploration
Ok
well since I posed the question I went into the loft and built a model to answer it.
Yon need some sort of gimbal / stabilisation for the comms part.
http://youtu.be/LLhDUP9trJE

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10625 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Sintrix for kites?

Thanks, Robert.     Time will tell. Compare and contrast.  ROI as Rod notes. 


Thoughts: 

As yet it seems Sintrix is pultruded or longitudinally focused.   I am wondering if the silica spheres will play in hollow tubes that are wrapped with optimum angles.   And how the silica spheres might play with grahene complexes for hollow tubes.   


Added Sintrix® to the growing Spars folder.   Other spar ideas and notes are welcome for the growing folder.


Perhaps related: 

Nanolayered carbon/Silica Superstructures via Organosilane Assembly
http://www.mse.ncsu.edu/research/zhu/papers/CNT/Peng.CNT-Silica%20AdvMat.pdf


I am guessing that strands of CNT in surface region of a hollow tube complex filled with carbon fiber and hollow microspheres might be a winner one day. 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10626 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: WeatherField
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10627 From: Rod Read Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: crosswind laddermill arch
I have been trying to search through the forum (yahoo interface has become awful)
for reference to a crosswind laddermill arch device....

google searching says there is a message

AirborneWindEnergy : Search Results : laddermill - Yahoo!

tech.groups.yahoo.com/.../msearch?...laddermill&/.../msearch?...ladderm...
24 Mar 2013 - ...fabric ladder-mill made of collapsible wind pockets on looped belt. Since then, the idea of a "sideways" (crosswind arched) laddermill has ...

but I can't find it in my email.

Looking at the trailing edge of a plastic moulded badminton shuttlecock made me think...  print the same sheet repeatedly skewed and offset onto 2 lines
mount the lines on pulleys and fly the set as a crosswind spinning arch....

with a slightly elastic back line loop... tensioning the pulleys changes the performance.



Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10628 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: Re: crosswind laddermill arch

Will this set bring you something, Rod: 


http://tinyurl.com/crosswindladdermillsearch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10629 From: dave santos Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: Kite Anchoring Review and Update (Gabions)
Various anchoring concepts are well known in AWES design. For scale prototypes, dedicated research vehicles are ready anchors. In classic kiting, a variety of improvised vehicle anchors, stakes, and bags (ie. sand-anchors) are popular. Sand-filled dumptrucks and dumpsters have been used for giant kite anchors. Beaches are a handy anchoring media for many kite festivals.

Industrial AWES anchors will apply standard civil engineering anchoring technologies. Industrial anchors range from steel soil-kites to many kinds of reinforced concrete footings with attachment points provided. The kPower kite farm, call it kFarm, has 12" augered holes with 10 ton working-load rated hardware and estimated soil resistance. These anchors are wonderfully secure, compact, and flush. KiteLab Ilwaco has a set of "roofer's tear-out tarps" as super sand-anchors work-rated at 7 tons each. These anchors have flown Mothra1 in gusts and gales without budging.

A problem emerged in planning multi-anchor fields for traveling public AWE events, like AWEfest, in city parks. Vehicles are a messy and expensive solution. A powerful kite can drag an ordinary vehicle easily. Even loaded dumptrucks have been overturned by too much show kite, due to a high center-of-gravity. Cost is a factor. Ideal anchors are cheap.

The newly identified solution is Gabions , metal cages designed to retain stones, gravel, sand, or even soil, with suitable fabric liner. The cages come folded flat and use whatever local material is best. Sandbags or cobbles would be a favored option. At the end of an event, the fill material is to be recycled locally, and the cages packed away for travel.

The present task is to optimize gabions for kite use. Wire-rope or Nylon slings, like those used for crane lifting, will girdle the gabion. The ideal shape is smooth and low-profile, lenticular, with maximum resistance to lateral dragging.  These anchors are to be scalable for large kite farm use in conditions where other standard anchors are not favored (by cost or maybe loose soils, undersea, over rotten bedrock, in swamp, etc.).

Be sure to have a PE or other qualified pro review and approve your DIY designs. Always include kite-killers and other fail-soft precautions.

CC BY NC SA

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10630 From: Rod Read Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Re: DIY space exploration

The more obvious way to passively stabilise an oriented platform (so it always points one way) on a single line is to lift the platform through a gimballed centre... then set picavet cabling loops round the platform and to an array of pulleys on the ground.


Think I'm going to have to build a model of that to prove myself wrong again.


Surely someone knows better.


Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10631 From: dave santos Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Living in the Sky (Suspension Syndrome and Aerotecture)
An AWE-related exploration in active development is airborne-architecture (aerotecture*). The idea is to validate safe cheap methods to actually live aloft, at least so long as the wind blows. Progress is rapid, since so many extreme sports and technical specialties have developed amazing "levitation" tools (climbing, paragliding, rescue, etc.). 

We are in effect proposing to "climb the wind", and have solved some major risks (like how to design a Fall-Tent). A strange inherent danger created by these "verticality"  activities is Suspension Trauma, where unconsciousness and even death is caused by hanging the body in a harness vertically for too long (as little as 20min). Rescuers must race against time as a victim hangs helplessly. This is more critical safety knowledge for us.

We can avoid this hazard by safety training, and designing our aerotecture for standing, sitting, or laying in natural postures; and only spend brief active sessions hanging in harnesses. Specific ergometric "sky furniture" is the solution- Traditional hammocks, floor-nets, paraglider XC harnesses (with leg/foot support), boson's chairs, treehouse-tents, and so on. Climbing rope stairs and ladders ensure proper blood circulation. Harnesses are still great for brief periods of active hanging, or worn loosely as an emergency back-up-



* aviation usage to supercede "aerotecture" as WECS on buildings, or trademarks in that domain
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10632 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Re: Living in the Sky (Suspension Syndrome and Aerotecture)
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10633 From: dave santos Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Hot Single-Skin (SS) Soft-Kites Enter Production
Dave Culp sparked the single-skin powerkite revival, a direct influence to many kite design pros (Mothra is SS). The AWES Forum has for years carried the SS torch (in the face of the rigid-wing bubble). A growing subculture is making NPWs and newer SS concepts. Our friends at Ozone have been hard at work with new PG and PK designs, with more expected. Now Peter Lynn and Reinhart (via FlySurfer) have made huge advances, and almost anyone can now buy, make, or borrow the new wings-

Peter Lynn is back, and SS is his obsession. The French kite sport interview links add great details-


Navigate the full content of Reinhart's wonderful SS work for lots of good info-


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10634 From: Rod Read Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Re: Kite Anchoring Review and Update (Gabions)
Gabions are common here in civil engineering projects. Mostly embankments.
I have built small dams and improved river flows with them.

Their modularity and stacking makes them really interesting for kite anchoring systems.
Gabions are easily tied together. They are not normally designed for tension but...
Gabions can be lifted by their baskets with good webbing and can be bought pre-filled.

A stack of gabions would want interwoven / basketing / "gridling" to lower levels. If you are tethering from the top of the stack you shouldn't just rely on standard top basket tied to the next layer. This is where standard tonne sand and gravel bags excel.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Dave S your anchors are flush to the ground. Is this for high wind pull down security reasons?
Would there be enough of an advantage in handling to justify;
Having topmost active tethering points 4 foot of the ground
where adjusted loadpaths could pull the arch flat ... to be packed in a sock / wound up like a net

I appreciate the front tether / nose control mode of Mothras...If that mode was accidentally lost...Would pulling a mothra down by trailing edge tethers in high wind without active loadpath control risk damaging by overloading?

Rod Read



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10635 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Re: Kite Anchoring Review and Update (Gabions)

Purposes, sites, scale, COTS, availability of solutions and materials, assembling, decommission, ..

http://www.energykitesystems.net/Anchors/index.html


Included in the options are water bags. 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10636 From: edoishi Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Mini Mono Mothra
Attachments :
    Mono Mothra is a simplified arch kite by kPower, intended for major scaling. It is made with a single stock blue tarp (modified with reinforcements and grommets), a triangular control nose, an aluminum spar, and 3 sets of load lines to form an arch. 

    We flew the Mini by hand in a light breeze at the Texas AWE Encampment.  Emphasis was placed on fine tuning the controls, especially the rear "D" line to ensure proper inflation and prevent galloping. 

    Now picture the Mini Mono as the control nose of a much larger Mono Mothra.  We are currently working on reinforcing a single stock 300 sq foot tarp and constructing a more robust spine. Tarps are manufactured as big as soccer fields, and could be flown to great heights using this design language.

    See the test video on kPower's youtube channel:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxTmSngve_U

    Attached photos: 
    1. MMM eclipses the sun
    2. Rear view showing construction details

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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10637 From: roderickjosephread Date: 11/15/2013
    Subject: Minesto deploying off Ireland
    Minesto are deploying their comparable but marine borne, buoyant and seemingly more sensible than Makanis device
    http://www.maritimejournal.com/news101/marine-renewable-energy/tidal-kite-powers-up-in-northern-ireland
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10638 From: dave santos Date: 11/15/2013
    Subject: Re: Kite Anchoring Review and Update (Gabions)
    Rod,

    We chose flush underground anchors for kFarm for least hazard to mowing operations, best cost-to-rated-load, and max-biomass-harvest. As we have become well-accustomed to hybrid hay-kitepower production, we have taken to using steel T-posts as needed for experiments, since they also work as tall warning markers to the hay harvest. We also mow our own "aisles" in the tall grass, to help with kite handling, with negligible loss of hay harvest. The other day, we had a minor accident where the mower picked up a kiteline, a test-to-failure to check off our list (lesson: be more careful).

    Gabions were identified to solve AWEfest urban park restrictions on soil disturbance, as driven by buried utilities, landfill membranes, and so forth. Its clear both solutions have many unique advantages in particular conditions,

    daveS




    On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:01 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com" <joefaust333@gmail.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10639 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/16/2013
    Subject: RATS power illumination system


    "Dragons light for illumination and signaling of kites and kite leash translated from German
    DE 202009010720 U1

    Publication numberDE202009010720 U1
    Publication typeGrant
    Application numberDE200920010720
    Publication dateDec 17, 2009
    Filing dateAug 7, 2009
    Priority dateAug 7, 2009
    ApplicantPieper, Helmut
    External Links: DPMAEspacenet

     Translated clip from patent application: 
    The dragon is thought lighting consists of a lighting unit directly from a wind driven generator"
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10640 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/18/2013
    Subject: Underwater energy kite systems with non-rigid wings
    A recent author in 

    Underwater Kites

    declared that underwater kite flying for generating electricity requires rigid wings: 
    "the forces produced by water currents are much larger due to water’s higher density, so the underwater kites need rigid wings."
    Though Minesto with Deep Green tech and also Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) led by Dr. Olinger are going the rigid-wing route, it is not a given that rigid wings are the only option. Chains of canopy wings have been shown in the patents for energy production. 

    Just how far might we get with specialized canopies (mesh of load-path lines in the canopies) kited underwater? 
     

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10641 From: edoishi Date: 11/18/2013
    Subject: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite
    We have successfully completed a fully autonomous test of a looping parafoil under a pilot kite. Fully autonomous means no pilot, no sensor, and no computer!  See the video on kPower's youtube channel:  http://youtu.be/cZAQO__4GKE

    Using kPower's original delta as a pilot kite, the stock 6m parafoil exhibited great power in a moderate breeze (10-12 mph).  Although the foil generates it's own lift, it would spiral into the ground without the help of the pilot kite. We even witnessed a passive re-launch of the parafoil, thanks to the delta flying stably above.

    Indeed, the power was Awesome!  In the video you can hear the parafoil wail at the 16-17 second mark. The day's testing ended when all four 500 lb. test spectra lines snapped!

    Once we replace the lines with 1000 lb. test plasma line, it will be coupled with our single stroke kite engine.  The power stroke will occur when the parafoil moves through 7 o'clock, the point of peak power. At the top of the stroke, the kite engine will reset and the cycle will repeat...

    cc by 3.0 (attribution kPower)
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10642 From: Baptiste Labat Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite
    Well done ! It looks and sounds really simple and efficient. It's amazing to see how stable is the pilot kite, I am not used to this for delta.

    Have you got a sketch of how you connected the kites. It seems I got atl the materials, so I would like to try it at home!

    ++
    Baptiste
    http://robokite.blogspot.fr/
    https://github.com/baptistelabat/robokite


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10643 From: Rod Read Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite
     
    Looks like you Ran the foil on a single line with shortened RHS steering line. and linked from RHS at the parafoil to the lifter. So simple. You dudes rock!

    Rod Read

    Windswept and Interesting Limited
    15a Aiginis
    Isle of Lewis
    HS2 0PB

    07899057227
    01851 870878



    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10644 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: NEW JOB OPENING - AERODYNAMICS ENGINEER 24. October 2013
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10645 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: NEW JOB OPENING - CONTROL SYSTEM ENGINEER 24. October 2013
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10646 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Paravannes (or paravanes)
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10647 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Re: Paravannes (or paravanes)
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10648 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Re: Minesto deploying off Ireland
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10649 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Wallace W. Bowley
    http://energykitesystems.net/WallaceWBowley/index.html


    Thereupon will also be a link to his interesting obituary. 



    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10650 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: James G. P. Dehlsen
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10651 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Re: Reverse-Pumping Validation by University of Grenoble

    Full paper:

    Energy production control of an experimental kite system in presence

    of wind gusts.

    Rogelio Lozano Jr, Jonathan Dumon, Ahmad Hably and Mazen Alamir


    "IX. CONCLUSIONS

    This paper shows that the reverse pumping is possible as

    long as the L/D ratio and a max speed are great enough. The

    kite system does not have stability and aeroelasticity problems.

    One of its important knowledge brought by this paper is

    that theoretical and practical work can give quite different

    results when the practical part has problems. It reminds us the

    importance of developing simple prototypes that are as close as

    possible to the theoretical model, or the importance of studying

    accurate models. The paper provides general information that

    could be seen as a basis for more detailed studies. Every

    different phase can have many ways of being optimized, the

    most important and innovative part seems to be the kinetic

    transfer phase. Future work shall be done on more performant

    kite systems."



    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10652 From: dave santos Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite
    Thanks to Batiste and Rod for the appreciation for the latest kFarm passive-autonomy demo. 

    The session goal was to show dynamically-stable scalable Low-Complexity AWE potential with an ordinary soft-kite (sport parafoil). The approach avoids need for radio-links or control pods with RATS. Launching is easy and secure, with self-landing and self-relaunching shown. 

    The Runaway Mishap  was a nice test-to-failure, which went well; the pilot spiraled down steeply to a soft landing with the power-kite streamered. Nothing but the Spectra lines broke, and could have been reconnected in minutes with fisherman's knots, had we needed to.

    The 6m2 Pansh was trimmed neutrally (no four-line turn input). Looping depended only on the retarding effect of one wingtip attached to the pilot line. Due to the open loop pattern (we will fly tighter with better trim), we had one crash, but nothing was harmed. The kite self-relaunched and flew its best before the lines parted.

    The 20ft WS Delta was a forced pilot-kite choice; already too heavy at that scale. Deltas by design dump gusts and tugs, especially compared to a classic pilot parafoil. We did not have an ideal soft-kite pilot in our quiver. The loop would have been tighter, faster, and higher with the right pilot kite.

    Next, we will try various PTO rigs (one, two, and three-phase) to drive our workcells.

    CC 3.0


    On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:21 AM, Rod Read <rod.read@gmail.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10653 From: dave santos Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Control Line Input past a Swivel (BMX "Gyro" Detangler)
    How do we kill or depower a looping foil? What mechanism bypasses a swivel? BMX bikes often have a "detangler" mechanism so that the front stem can be spun without snarling brake lines. These are not hard to find in community bike shops, since kids often remove them. "Gyro" is the most common brand (also generic slang). 

    In our looping-foil app, the entire stem set is compressed (shortened head-tube) and becomes a thrust bearing, good for a few tons of force if properly set up. A tag-line input can activate a "kite-killer" to stop the rotation (slack A-Lines into a B-line stall or slack AB v D). The unit might need safety padding, and workers need helmets.

    There are even simpler DIY tricks possible, but this is a good COTS start-


    Public Domain Safety Method
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10654 From: edoishi Date: 11/19/2013
    Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite
    Attachments :

       This photo is a close-up detail of the hardware necessary to make a stock parafoil loop under a pilot kite:

       

      1. the colored rope (and yellow nylon strap) was anchored to the ground

      2. this was connected to a heavy duty swivel

      3. which was joined to the plywood hardware plate with a steel link

      4. the hardware plate spreads 4 pieces of red and white polyester rope 

      5. the lines were further spread with the use of (in this case) a PVC pipe spreader -- very important detail!

      6. finally the kite's 4 lines were lark's headed onto the knots tied into the red and white rope


      Not shown is a fifth load bearing line that ran from one side of the hardware plate up to the pilot kite. On one corner of the parafoil a solid brass ring was attached by way of a short leader.  The load line went through this brass ring. It is around this point that the parafoil looped...


      As described in the original post, all four 500 lb. test spectra lines snapped.  This photo reveals how the two inner brake lines snapped close to the hardware plate  while the steering lines snapped up close to the kite's briddle. We are unsure how exactly this happened, as it happened so fast!


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      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10655 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/22/2013
      Subject: E-volo’s 18-rotor electric Volocopter makes maiden flight
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10656 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/22/2013
      Subject: RAeS
      Will RAeS be having a specialist group for energy kite systems?    Will one of the RAeS extant specialist groups adopt energy kite systems?    


      RAeS extant specialist groups: 
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10657 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 11/23/2013
      Subject: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10658 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2013
      Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite
      Pierre,

      Yes, in this case, it was only PARTIAL self-relaunch, but still exciting. 

      As you might remember, KiteLab Ilwaco has shown full cascaded-relaunch for several years (in public and video), so its incorrect to state "it is not possible for a long time". 

      The difference in this case was the choice of kites (parafoil and delta), and the experiment was not of relaunch (deltas do not self-relaunch), but looping basic dynamic stability. Never forget, kPower is not one of the misanthropic "launch-and-forget" AWE players, we believe pilots are essential (like, to change kites to match conditions, and meet FAA regs).

      How is your windwheel progressing? How will it launch?

      daveS


      On Saturday, November 23, 2013 7:14 AM, Pierre BENHAIEM <pierre.benhaiem@orange.fr
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10659 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2013
      Subject: Kite Visions in Gaming

      Societal excitement toward kite energy grows in fertile soil. The basic kite-meme continues to advance in many streams of pop culture, in this case in games-

      Evocative magic-themed kites-


      A tour-de-force gaming illustration of "Siege Kites"-


      In our case, we play in "real life" :)



      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10660 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2013
      Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite
      Pierre just made a statement that may not be a theorem in kite energy. 
      He stated: "Self-launching and landing of both power and pilot kites are not possible for a long time."

      My note is to highlight an open door on the matter. So, rather: Have a pilot-kite subsystem joined with a power kite subsystem and so design the global system for self-launching and self-relaunching over a very long time period without failures. 

          Now forward to how to go about such "having"?  A demonstration will resolve the question. To approach the desired demonstration we gather what we know and find solutions for what may yet be needed. The pertinent literature on the question is yet in an infancy. There will be some branches to solutions; one branch will be low-complexity. Another branch of solutions will be complex robotic.  Others may define more branches.  

      We welcome solutions and demonstrations. 

      Starting: 
          
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 10661 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2013
      Subject: Re: Looping Parafoil under a pilot kite
      DaveS just made a statement that hopefully will be qualified by some of his earlier suggestions: 

      He stated to Pierre in a parenthetical, "deltas do not self-relaunch"
      Hopefully that will not stick as a kite-energy theorem generally. 
      DaveS has suggested in the past that strategic chicken-legs on a kite's wing may serve to give self-relaunch. Such is one strategy for modifications on delta-wings in kite systems. Other strategy may be suggested and explored and perhaps demonstrated and shared withvthe group. Leave this door open for solutions. 

      In what different ways might one modify a kite system's delta wing subsystem for self-relaunching?
      Suggestions?   Start: 
        1. Ping-pong ball-tipped chicken legs.   Or sealed foam balls at tip of chicken legs. 
        2. Smart inflated feet of chicken legs. These would inflate when the wing's state informs the inflation of the feet tips strategically to give angle of attack for self-relaunching.  Sea or special land arrangements are to be considered. 
      3. Multi-purpose land or sea rings hold lines in a way that wing settling allows self-relaunching. 
      4. Ever-up pilot-kytoon subsystem for cascading power-kite subsystem.  Progress continues to be made for long-endurance kytoons. 
      5. ?
      6. ?
      7. ? 
      ...
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